Sadler’s Dumbest Move Yet?

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Theoneandonly

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Yates was under contract, his value was not going to decrease even if we’d kept him until January so that we’d score goals, build confidence and maybe get a points cushion so that our lean squad would still be in contention when heavier inclement pitches come into the picture and injuries start to increase.

Goals win games and now with our signings we’ll create chances and reduce goals scored against us but who will score 15 for us? Anyone in our current squad? The championship was a guaranteed rise in income so selling Yates seems the epitome of penny wise pound foolish. And please just because the Oystons set the bar low can we end the years long Sadler honeymoon and discuss the choices he’s making.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Yates was under contract, his value was not going to decrease even if we’d kept him until January so that we’d score goals, build confidence and maybe get a points cushion so that our lean squad would still be in contention when heavier inclement pitches come into the picture and injuries start to increase.

Goals win games and now with our signings we’ll create chances and reduce goals scored against us but who will score 15 for us? Anyone in our current squad? The championship was a guaranteed rise in income so selling Yates seems the epitome of penny wise pound foolish. And please just because the Oystons set the bar low can we end the years long Sadler honeymoon and discuss the choices he’s making.
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This is going to be a radical idea for you but have you considered that Yates wants to leave?

Once you do, it gives you a different outlook on it.
 
Adams Kebab said:
This is going to be a radical idea for you but have you considered that Yates wants to leave?

Once you do, it gives you a different outlook on it.
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No it doesn’t. He’s under contract as in earlier post build a team around him, give him a bonus when we get promoted and he goes to a better club than Swansea. It’s called man management.
 
Adams Kebab said:
This is going to be a radical idea for you but have you considered that Yates wants to leave?

Once you do, it gives you a different outlook on it.
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Correct players not clubs have held the power for ages.
Jerry will want to play in the Championship earn more money end off and good luck to the lad keeping someone against their wishes rarely ends well.
 
Sadler’s actions will clearly show who he is so let’s see us get promoted and then we’re all happy and I can say I was wrong about you. I’m a big fan of being prudent but find little Blackpool thinking an abomination. At present I think Sadler lacks the confidence of his stated convictions.
 
poolseasider said:
Correct players not clubs have held the power for ages.
Jerry will want to play in the Championship earn more money end off and good luck to the lad keeping someone against their wishes rarely ends well.
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There are many ways to motivate people. He’ll enjoy living on the beautiful Gower peninsula and his kids will probably go to Ffynone house school but it was not a wise career move for him. It’s myopic and he could have done better.
 
Halifax71 said:
Contracts should work both ways. The Stewart's of this world certainly took full advantage - but unfortunately the club has a perception to maintain, and you can't be seen as standing in the way.
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Perception. Standing in the way or paving the way to a better move.
 
Theoneandonly said:
No it doesn’t. He’s under contract as in earlier post build a team around him, give him a bonus when we get promoted and he goes to a better club than Swansea. It’s called man management.
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😆🙈

Ok, contracts are basically now just what value you can get for someone. If someone wants to leave, 9/10 they’ll go. Critchley had signed a new deal before last year’s walkout.

What if he wants to leave? He’ll have told the Club he wants to go.

What if he says he wants to play in the Championship? Earn more money? Performance levels might start to dip? Nobody wants to be somewhere they don’t want to be. What if he wants to get a move now?

When you pay him the bonus (if we get promoted btw) are you going to pay the rest of the squad one? Or just him? What if we don’t get promoted? He has a poor season and there’s not as much interest in him? How will you deal with him next season?

Let’s hear these man-management tips…it sounds simple but you seem to have it sorted 👏🏻
 
Theoneandonly said:
Yates was under contract, his value was not going to decrease even if we’d kept him until January so that we’d score goals, build confidence and maybe get a points cushion so that our lean squad would still be in contention when heavier inclement pitches come into the picture and injuries start to increase.

Goals win games and now with our signings we’ll create chances and reduce goals scored against us but who will score 15 for us? Anyone in our current squad? The championship was a guaranteed rise in income so selling Yates seems the epitome of penny wise pound foolish. And please just because the Oystons set the bar low can we end the years long Sadler honeymoon and discuss the choices he’s making.
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Jerry's choice not Sadler's, I actually think it's good business, there will be clauses in it and add ons . Lavery is capable of scoring plenty in league one although we do need to invest in this position.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Yates was under contract, his value was not going to decrease even if we’d kept him until January so that we’d score goals, build confidence and maybe get a points cushion so that our lean squad would still be in contention when heavier inclement pitches come into the picture and injuries start to increase.

Goals win games and now with our signings we’ll create chances and reduce goals scored against us but who will score 15 for us? Anyone in our current squad? The championship was a guaranteed rise in income so selling Yates seems the epitome of penny wise pound foolish. And please just because the Oystons set the bar low can we end the years long Sadler honeymoon and discuss the choices he’s making.
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The irony of you calling Sadler dumb.
 
Adams Kebab said:
😆🙈

Ok, contracts are basically now just what value you can get for someone. If someone wants to leave, 9/10 they’ll go. Critchley had signed a new deal before last year’s walkout.

What if he wants to leave? He’ll have told the Club he wants to go.

What if he says he wants to play in the Championship? Earn more money? Performance levels might start to dip? Nobody wants to be somewhere they don’t want to be. What if he wants to get a move now?

When you pay him the bonus (if we get promoted btw) are you going to pay the rest of the squad one? Or just him? What if we don’t get promoted? He has a poor season and there’s not as much interest in him? How will you deal with him next season?

Let’s hear these man-management tips…it sounds simple but you seem to have it sorted 👏🏻
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Your mind is made up so no convincing you. We live in a world of possibilities. In answer to one of your points no they don’t all get the same bonus just as they don’t all get the same base salary. Revenue generating in any business always gets more and scoring goals is revenue generating. Not really fair but just the way it is.
 
Theoneandonly said:
No irony and no fawning. Explained my thinking and it’s up to Sadler to get it right with setting us up for promotion.
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1. Better to lose him now than in January. Disrupts the season.
2. As above, Yates probably wanted the move.
3. We don’t know the fee and how it will be reinvested yet. So many idiotic assumptions are being made. This is a great opportunity to buy some more young talent and I’ve no doubt we will.
4. He went about 20 games without scoring last season. He’s everyone’s best mate because of his workload and personality, but technically he’s very replaceable.
5. Yates workload and mentality will be hard to replace but I think they’ve done good work on that with Norburn and Pennington.
 
John Deary me said:
Jerry's choice not Sadler's, I actually think it's good business, there will be clauses in it and add ons . Lavery is capable of scoring plenty in league one although we do need to invest in this position.
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Lavery is capable is opinion based on what? His past scoring record or the fact that we’ll in theory be playing lesser talented teams?
 
I’m disappointed but agree with the others. Jerry shouldn’t be made to play L1 when he’s in demand to play championship. Bad for him and an unhappy player with the obvious outgoing personality of Jerry could fester in the squad, so bad for us too.

It’s only ever going to come down to getting the deal that works for us as well, which presumably is this. We’ve lost players I’ve loved in the past and new ones always come.

UTMP and all the best Jerry, you’re one of the good guys.
 
Chrismalkin said:
1. Better to lose him now than in January. Disrupts the season.
2. As above, Yates probably wanted the move.
3. We don’t know the fee and how it will be reinvested yet. So many idiotic assumptions are being made. This is a great opportunity to buy some more young talent and I’ve no doubt we will.
4. He went about 20 games without scoring last season. He’s everyone’s best mate because of his workload and personality, but technically he’s very replaceable.
5. Yates workload and mentality will be hard to replace but I think they’ve done good work on that with Norburn and Pennington.
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1. Nope better to be top of the division with the points accrued and your team full of confidence. His price would have increased and under performing teams would be motivated to buy.

2. Under contract and consummate professional think poor man’s Harry Kane.

3. Don’t want to know the fee as that will just Jack up the fees other clubs will charge us. What I do know is it’s less than half of what we would receive if we were promoted.

4 and five. So he not only scores goals but contributes to the team, sets a positive tone and leads by example. All essential for a team seeking promotion.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
It does but accepting 2.5 million, if true as reported, it’s shocking business mate.
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We don't know what the fee is and probably never will. It may be in Yates contract that he could leave if we weren't at Championship level. Better to get it done now,not just before the window closes.
Lavery is a good young striker, who will be played in his best position and do well.
We are exceptionally fortunate to have Simon Sadler.
 
Theoneandonly said:
1. Nope better to be top of the division with the points accrued and your team full of confidence. His price would have increased and under performing teams would be motivated to buy.

2. Under contract and consummate professional think poor man’s Harry Kane.

3. Don’t want to know the fee as that will just Jack up the fees other clubs will charge us. What I do know is it’s less than half of what we would receive if we were promoted.

4 and five. So he not only scores goals but contributes to the team, sets a positive tone and leads by example. All essential for a team seeking promotion.
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Your point about losing him in January being better is nonsense. Harder to recruit a replacement in January. And you’d only get your knickers in a twist about him leaving then. Stop crying and enjoy the ride, we will adequately replace.

4. See my point about Norburn and Pennington
 
Theoneandonly said:
There are many ways to motivate people. He’ll enjoy living on the beautiful Gower peninsula and his kids will probably go to Ffynone house school but it was not a wise career move for him. It’s myopic and he could have done better.
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How do you know it's a bad career move you don't.
Score 15+ and he could help get Swansea promoted and if not could potentially end up in the PL.
Score 15 + for us and end up er back in the Championship either way.

Option 1 certainly fills his bank account more.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Last three seasons Lavery has scored ?
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He's never been a number one striker in the last 3 years , he's a grafter and a team player who has earned his chance. Jerry's a great player and no doubt he'll be missed but life goes on . I'll be disappointed if we don't sign or loan a quality replacement but let's just see what happens.
 
Chrismalkin said:
Your point about losing him in January being better is nonsense. Harder to recruit a replacement in January. And you’d only get your knickers in a twist about him leaving then. Stop crying and enjoy the ride, we will adequately replace.

4. See my point about Norburn and Pennington
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Sorry you have no confidence in your reasoning and go infantile on me. Not nonsense no crying just know how to win. Adequate never wins anything.
 
John Deary me said:
He's never been a number one striker in the last 3 years , he's a grafter and a team player who has earned his chance. Jerry's a great player and no doubt he'll be missed but life goes on . I'll be disappointed if we don't sign or loan a quality replacement but let's just see what happens.
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Is that code for not scored many?
 
Matesrates said:
If he played for Spurs, he wouldn’t be sold unless the club wanted to sell him, look at Harry Kane.
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Yeh look at a player who's on 100's of 1000's of pounds every month compared to a player on about £5,000 a month.
One financially secure the other looking to better what he's on.
What a stupid comparison 🤦
 
poolseasider said:
How do you know it's a bad career move you don't.
Score 15+ and he could help get Swansea promoted and if not could potentially end up in the PL.
Score 15 + for us and end up er back in the Championship either way.

Option 1 certainly fills his bank account more.
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I know Swansea very well.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Yeh look at a player who's on 100's of 1000's of pounds every month compared to a player on about £5,000 a month.
One financially secure the other looking to better what he's on.
What a stupid comparison 🤦
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No it’s not. It’s the same comparison at scale.
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
It does but accepting 2.5 million, if true as reported, it’s shocking business mate.
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Yep I agree it seems far too low, but we don’t fully know yet do we the set-up of the deal if a player is involved etc

In my head, he was always going to want to leave, he’s at the peak of his powers on the back of a great season, so can’t blame him for wanting to go.

The key to it all as always is what we do with it & it all needs reinvesting back in the starting 11. This was always meant to be our model.

The good thing is we’ve got time to sort and you’d hope we’ve got plans ready to roll to get us ready for the start of the season.
 
Seaside shuffle said:
We don't know what the fee is and probably never will. It may be in Yates contract that he could leave if we weren't at Championship level. Better to get it done now,not just before the window closes.
Lavery is a good young striker, who will be played in his best position and do well.
We are exceptionally fortunate to have Simon Sadler.
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It’s only good business if we get a good fee and it is reinvested. He has 1 year left plus an option.. scored 20 goals last time out in league one. 2.5 million has got Swansea laughing their cock offs.
 
As a club this is what we are.

Bringing in players developing them and selling them on for profit it’s called sustainability .

We do not want to get a reputation for keeping players when they want a big money move.

We won’t get the real potential in if we start doing that .

Selling a player for 10 x what you paid for him doesn’t sound dumb to me .

This 2.5 mil business isn’t official the deal will be more
 
Will it seem dumb if we don’t get promoted because we’re not scoring enough? We could definitely have sold Jerry before the end of his contract so we would not get a bad reputation. We have a great reputation for being an unprecedented pathway to bigger and better things. I think Sadler has made a balls of it and only time will tell.
 
Theoneandonly said:
No it’s not. It’s the same comparison at scale.
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No it's not, it's complete bollocks and you're being very pedantic in your replies on this thread.
An unhappy player at ANY club is a bad thing for the club.
As soon as we were relegated fans should have been expecting the departure of Jerry.
And you can bet your mortgage that if Spurs go down, Kane would be off like a shot. Now that's more of a comparison.
Circumstances dictate what happens with squads over a season and it seems that you'd be more than happy to have bad feelings in the squad on the off chance we're near the summit of league 1 by Christmas, hoping that others are still interested in JY by that time. Jerry's form could dip and we sit mid table by Christmas, who'd be in for him then?
It seems your 'man management skills' leave quite a lot to do with chance, which is a lot more risky than cashing in on an unhappy player now whilst we've the chance, buying someone Critchley has targeted and integrating him into the system before the season starts.
I think I'll leave it to the experts😉👍🏻
 
Adams Kebab said:
😆🙈

Ok, contracts are basically now just what value you can get for someone. If someone wants to leave, 9/10 they’ll go. Critchley had signed a new deal before last year’s walkout.

What if he wants to leave? He’ll have told the Club he wants to go.

What if he says he wants to play in the Championship? Earn more money? Performance levels might start to dip? Nobody wants to be somewhere they don’t want to be. What if he wants to get a move now?

When you pay him the bonus (if we get promoted btw) are you going to pay the rest of the squad one? Or just him? What if we don’t get promoted? He has a poor season and there’s not as much interest in him? How will you deal with him next season?

Let’s hear these man-management tips…it sounds simple but you seem to have it sorted 👏🏻
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Some valid points made.
However (and this could just be me), the issues we are having are to do with what we do to fill the chasm that will be left behind?

Do we get in a 19yo arsenal striker (ring any bells) who came here with a good reputation but was powder puff?
Do we get in a has been whos proven then can score goals but there’s no room to reinvest afterwards?
Do we push the boat out and full on invest every single penny in someone who’s been tearing it up in L2?
Beesley and Lavery may have work rate but they lack that class that Jerry possessed.
These are critical times for SS and the club. Too many mistakes recently, but I’m gonna wait until the dust has settled before I judge.
Up the pool
 
John Deary me said:
12 goals in 70 for us, not sure on assists . 40 plus for Lingfield .
By not being a complete stato is that OK?
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12 in 70 is the only meaningful stat. Let’s double his production which we can all agree is meaningful progress. Now he’s at 24 in 70. And how many assists? Big ask on the lad and it’s obvious he needs support.
 
Wizzerboy said:
No it's not, it's complete bollocks and you're being very pedantic in your replies on this thread.
An unhappy player at ANY club is a bad thing for the club.
As soon as we were relegated fans should have been expecting the departure of Jerry.
And you can bet your mortgage that if Spurs go down, Kane would be off like a shot. Now that's more of a comparison.
Circumstances dictate what happens with squads over a season and it seems that you'd be more than happy to have bad feelings in the squad on the off chance we're near the summit of league 1 by Christmas, hoping that others are still interested in JY by that time. Jerry's form could dip and we sit mid table by Christmas, who'd be in for him then?
It seems your 'man management skills' leave quite a lot to do with chance, which is a lot more risky than cashing in on an unhappy player now whilst we've the chance, buying someone Critchley has targeted and integrating him into the system before the season starts.
I think I'll leave it to the experts😉👍🏻
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You assume a lot. Man management deals with grievances all the time quickly and effectively. I don’t think Jerry’s concerns were insurmountable. You think our chance to sell a proven goal scorer evaporates at the start of the season? That’s funny. Do you mean the expert who buggered off and left us in the lurch or the expert who got us relegated? No one is perfect and we all learn from each other.
 
Theoneandonly said:
12 in 70 is the only meaningful stat. Let’s double his production which we can all agree is meaningful progress. Now he’s at 24 in 70. And how many assists? Big ask on the lad and it’s obvious he needs support.
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We can all see he needs support let's hope the powers that be can too. IMO I think we need a big target man who can handle the physical challenge of LG one football.
 
Theoneandonly said:
You assume a lot. Man management deals with grievances all the time quickly and effectively. I don’t think Jerry’s concerns were insurmountable. You think our chance to sell a proven goal scorer evaporates at the start of the season? That’s funny. Do you mean the expert who buggered off and left us in the lurch or the expert who got us relegated? No one is perfect and we all learn from each other.
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Expert in the fact that one is a football manager and the other who actually owns the club.
I'm sure that both Simon and Neil would love your input into all matters of man management that could set them off on the path to league one success.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Yeh look at a player who's on 100's of 1000's of pounds every month compared to a player on about £5,000 a month.
One financially secure the other looking to better what he's on.
What a stupid comparison 🤦
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My point is, that I’ve no doubt Kane has wanted to leave to join a club where he can win trophies, but the club won’t play ball. If we wanted to, we could do the same, even if it was stay until January Jerry then you can leave.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Expert in the fact that one is a football manager and the other who actually owns the club.
I'm sure that both Simon and Neil would love your input into all matters of man management that could set them off on the path to league one success.
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If you are going to use the lowest form of wit namely sarcasm my advice is to get good at it first otherwise you look lame.
 
Matesrates said:
My point is, that I’ve no doubt Kane has wanted to leave to join a club where he can win trophies, but the club won’t play ball. If we wanted to, we could do the same, even if it was stay until January Jerry then you can leave.
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If Kane was at Bournemouth I could understand the comparison but the only thing missing for Kane is, like you say, trophies.
I don't think he'd ever go to Arsenal
Liverpool don't need him
City definitely don't need him
Would he go to Utd for the odd fa cup medal?
That leaves Villa, Newcastle and possibly Brighton and Chelsea, so basically like being at Spurs.

Do big European clubs want him?
I stick with the point it's not a good comparison.
 
Wizzerboy said:
No, not at all.
You've come on here this morning with all the answers.
You're convinced you're correct in your statements. I, however, disagree with them.
I care not one jot what you think of my replies.
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Nope just some reasoned thinking and it was too much for you. No worries enjoy your day.
 
Wizzerboy said:
If Kane was at Bournemouth I could understand the comparison but the only thing missing for Kane is, like you say, trophies.
I don't think he'd ever go to Arsenal
Liverpool don't need him
City definitely don't need him
Would he go to Utd for the odd fa cup medal?
That leaves Villa, Newcastle and possibly Brighton and Chelsea, so basically like being at Spurs.

Do big European clubs want him?
I stick with the point it's not a good comparison.
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Eek you’re on a confused streak. Spurs don’t spend to support their managers and allow them to compete hence they win nothing and have a revolving door for proven managers. Chelsea spend too much haphazardly which they are in the process of rectifying and Newcastle spend with discipline and thought. Kane stayed and performed admirably again because that’s his job just as Jerry would have done and that is why Kane will either get a great move now or a lucrative free next year. Jerry could have helped us and himself by staying.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Eek you’re on a confused streak. Spurs don’t spend to support their managers and allow them to compete hence they win nothing and have a revolving door for proven managers. Chelsea spend too much haphazardly which they are in the process of rectifying and Newcastle spend with discipline and thought. Kane stayed and performed admirably again because that’s his job just as Jerry would have done and that is why Kane will either get a great move now or a lucrative free next year. Jerry could have helped us and himself by staying.
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The oracle has spoken 😉👍🏻
 
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