Sadler’s Dumbest Move Yet?

Wizzerboy said:
No it's not, it's complete bollocks and you're being very pedantic in your replies on this thread.
An unhappy player at ANY club is a bad thing for the club.
As soon as we were relegated fans should have been expecting the departure of Jerry.
And you can bet your mortgage that if Spurs go down, Kane would be off like a shot. Now that's more of a comparison.
Circumstances dictate what happens with squads over a season and it seems that you'd be more than happy to have bad feelings in the squad on the off chance we're near the summit of league 1 by Christmas, hoping that others are still interested in JY by that time. Jerry's form could dip and we sit mid table by Christmas, who'd be in for him then?
It seems your 'man management skills' leave quite a lot to do with chance, which is a lot more risky than cashing in on an unhappy player now whilst we've the chance, buying someone Critchley has targeted and integrating him into the system before the season starts.
I think I'll leave it to the experts😉👍🏻
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Agree with the above - ultimately there’s no point in keeping a player who doesn’t want to be there.

Besides relegation, another factor which may have played a part is the return of Critchley. There seems to be a general assumption on here that Jerry’s name would always be first on the teamsheet, however it seems to have been something of an open secret that Jerry & Critch didn’t always see eye to eye last time around. Whether personally or professionally is open to speculation, however the fact remains that under Critchley Mk1 Jerry spent a fair amount of time warming the bench.

For whatever reason, if the same were to be the case this time around, Jerry and his agent will have been well aware that his transfer options & salary opportunities as a L1 sub would drop like a stone. Similarly the club would be well aware that his market value would travel in the same direction at the same rate.

Like most on here, personally I’m massively disappointed to lose Jerry, but taking a step back it makes total sense for both player & club.
 
Bluecabinboy said:
Agree with the above - ultimately there’s no point in keeping a player who doesn’t want to be there.

Besides relegation, another factor which may have played a part is the return of Critchley. There seems to be a general assumption on here that Jerry’s name would always be first on the teamsheet, however it seems to have been something of an open secret that Jerry & Critch didn’t always see eye to eye last time around. Whether personally or professionally is open to speculation, however the fact remains that under Critchley Mk1 Jerry spent a fair amount of time warming the bench.

For whatever reason, if the same were to be the case this time around, Jerry and his agent will have been well aware that his transfer options & salary opportunities as a L1 sub would drop like a stone. Similarly the club would be well aware that his market value would travel in the same direction at the same rate.

Like most on here, personally I’m massively disappointed to lose Jerry, but taking a step back it makes total sense for both player & club.
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As you say I think the Critch/Yates dynamic was a significant factor. I do wonder if Critch knows how to manage flair players. It didn’t seem so after he left us.
 
In todays game once a player wants to go they go, it's a simple as that. It's why West Ham have lost Rice, Chelsea have lost Mount and Kane may be off to Bayern Munich. Contracts don't mean a thing, other than the length remaining may increase the players value.
Keeping an unhappy player against his wishes just causes more problems than it's worth. When he downs tools to force a move, do you send him to train with the kids, not play him and see his monetary value plummet.
Weare no different to any other club, players have them by the balls.
 
Bluecabinboy said:
Agree with the above - ultimately there’s no point in keeping a player who doesn’t want to be there.

Besides relegation, another factor which may have played a part is the return of Critchley. There seems to be a general assumption on here that Jerry’s name would always be first on the teamsheet, however it seems to have been something of an open secret that Jerry & Critch didn’t always see eye to eye last time around. Whether personally or professionally is open to speculation, however the fact remains that under Critchley Mk1 Jerry spent a fair amount of time warming the bench.

For whatever reason, if the same were to be the case this time around, Jerry and his agent will have been well aware that his transfer options & salary opportunities as a L1 sub would drop like a stone. Similarly the club would be well aware that his market value would travel in the same direction at the same rate.

Like most on here, personally I’m massively disappointed to lose Jerry, but taking a step back it makes total sense for both player & club.
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Common sence post👍🏻
 
Theoneandonly said:
Yates was under contract, his value was not going to decrease even if we’d kept him until January so that we’d score goals, build confidence and maybe get a points cushion so that our lean squad would still be in contention when heavier inclement pitches come into the picture and injuries start to increase.

Goals win games and now with our signings we’ll create chances and reduce goals scored against us but who will score 15 for us? Anyone in our current squad? The championship was a guaranteed rise in income so selling Yates seems the epitome of penny wise pound foolish. And please just because the Oystons set the bar low can we end the years long Sadler honeymoon and discuss the choices he’s making.
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Just because we were relegated that doesn't make Yates a League 1 player, he's played (well) in the Championship for the last 2 seasons, but it seems to be a League 1 transfer fee paid.

That said you try to prise away top strikers in League 1 from the likes of Peterborough et al for that money.
 
rememberlesshannon said:
In todays game once a player wants to go they go, it's a simple as that. It's why West Ham have lost Rice, Chelsea have lost Mount and Kane may be off to Bayern Munich. Contracts don't mean a thing, other than the length remaining may increase the players value.
Keeping an unhappy player against his wishes just causes more problems than it's worth. When he downs tools to force a move, do you send him to train with the kids, not play him and see his monetary value plummet.
Weare no different to any other club, players have them by the balls.
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Could someone remind theoneandonly about this👍🏻
 
Theoneandonly said:
12 in 70 is the only meaningful stat. Let’s double his production which we can all agree is meaningful progress. Now he’s at 24 in 70. And how many assists? Big ask on the lad and it’s obvious he needs support.
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But 12 in 70 is a completely misleading stat.
Many of those 70 were late sub appearances and a fair few were games in which he was played out of position on the wing.
In terms of minutes played, his Championship stats were 10 goals in 35 full games.
 
Wizzerboy said:
Could someone remind theoneandonly about this👍🏻
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It’s not true. Rice was unsettled they said help us out and then we will let you go even though you are under contract. “A Gentleman’s Agreement”. What happened? West Ham avoided relegation, which saved them millions, won a cup and sold the player for a record amount with everyone happy.
 
Are we all forgetting that Critchley preferred Lavery to Yates for big parts of the season? I very much doubt that Yates would be happy being back in that situation in league 1, when he could be playing week in week out in the Championship. I dont blame the lad for leaving at all, but I 100% believe he wanted to leave.
 
Kyle Seasider said:
Are we all forgetting that Critchley preferred Lavery to Yates for big parts of the season? I very much doubt that Yates would be happy being back in that situation in league 1, when he could be playing week in week out in the Championship. I dont blame the lad for leaving at all, but I 100% believe he wanted to leave.
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I hope he did want to leave but when is in the clubs hands. It’s done now so we move on. Let’s hope lessons were learned last season.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Will it seem dumb if we don’t get promoted because we’re not scoring enough? We could definitely have sold Jerry before the end of his contract so we would not get a bad reputation. We have a great reputation for being an unprecedented pathway to bigger and better things. I think Sadler has made a balls of it and only time will tell.
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You are forgetting one important factor.
The player and what he wants and needs.
Jerry has earned respect from the club by being an absolute gem of a player both in terms of attitude and performance.
He deserves his move.
 
I think his dumbest move by far was appointing Applehead.

His second was appointing McCarthy.

Although Mansford is up there as he appointed both as well.
 
A Championship quality player, not wanting to spend a season in Lg1. As much as Jerry loved it on the Gold Coast he has to think of his career, and a move to Swansea makes sense in maintaining that Championship player status. Sadler had no option to sanction it purely out of respect to a player who gave his all week in week out for the club.

Some people need to stop seeing the negative all the time and think what is best for the player and best outcome for the club in this situation. Hopefully there will be a significant amount being reinvested, but don't be so naive to expect some money going in to offset relegation. It has been stated on several occasions that a sustainable model is the vision for the club.

Some have lost their heads over the last 24 hrs. Just wish JY9 all the best and we move on.
 
Look, Sadler has to support his manager but that doesn't mean his manager is all-knowing. If Critchley's plan A pulls up with the traditional Blackpool hamstring injury, then what? If Yates was never part of the plan, then we should have signed his replacement before he went. We'd have got a better deal and a smoother transition for the team.
 
Tangerine WAFU said:
A Championship quality player, not wanting to spend a season in Lg1. As much as Jerry loved it on the Gold Coast he has to think of his career, and a move to Swansea makes sense in maintaining that Championship player status. Sadler had no option to sanction it purely out of respect to a player who gave his all week in week out for the club.

Some people need to stop seeing the negative all the time and think what is best for the player and best outcome for the club in this situation. Hopefully there will be a significant amount being reinvested, but don't be so naive to expect some money going in to offset relegation. It has been stated on several occasions that a sustainable model is the vision for the club.

Some have lost their heads over the last 24 hrs. Just wish JY9 all the best and we move on.
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What is best for all concerned is that Yates goes to the best club he can and we get promotion. Of course he had a choice see Rice scenario. It's done now so we move on.
 
However much we love Jerry he was doing a job.

He did it well got headhunted and offered a substantial pay increase and terms we just can’t match.

He isn’t going to stay with us on a fraction of what he could earn just because every week we sing we re going on the piss with him .

That’s just not real world .
 
Theoneandonly said:
Yates was under contract, his value was not going to decrease even if we’d kept him until January so that we’d score goals, build confidence and maybe get a points cushion so that our lean squad would still be in contention when heavier inclement pitches come into the picture and injuries start to increase.

Goals win games and now with our signings we’ll create chances and reduce goals scored against us but who will score 15 for us? Anyone in our current squad? The championship was a guaranteed rise in income so selling Yates seems the epitome of penny wise pound foolish. And please just because the Oystons set the bar low can we end the years long Sadler honeymoon and discuss the choices he’s making.
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They will have someone lined up. Jerry was always leaving and his agent probably told the club as much. Despite your tangerine tinted spectacles it is a job to Yates; a large signing on fee, miles better wages and playing in a higher division. His career is going the right way, which is up. I hate this board at times, grow up.
 
Bluecabinboy said:
Agree with the above - ultimately there’s no point in keeping a player who doesn’t want to be there.

Besides relegation, another factor which may have played a part is the return of Critchley. There seems to be a general assumption on here that Jerry’s name would always be first on the teamsheet, however it seems to have been something of an open secret that Jerry & Critch didn’t always see eye to eye last time around. Whether personally or professionally is open to speculation, however the fact remains that under Critchley Mk1 Jerry spent a fair amount of time warming the bench.

For whatever reason, if the same were to be the case this time around, Jerry and his agent will have been well aware that his transfer options & salary opportunities as a L1 sub would drop like a stone. Similarly the club would be well aware that his market value would travel in the same direction at the same rate.

Like most on here, personally I’m massively disappointed to lose Jerry, but taking a step back it makes total sense for both player & club.
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You've hit the nail on the head. Good move for Jerry and good result for us (with Kyle Joseph coming the other way). Jerry is an engaging character and his work rate and team ethic was brilliant. However, there did seem to be a glitch in the Critch-Yates relationship last time round and I wonder if Jerry's extra-curricular activities played a part in that. What is often overlooked is that Lavery looked the better prospect before he got injured and lost his mojo. Hopefully Lavery can get back to where he was because he could be a real force at Lg1 level.
 
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mad-link said:
They will have someone lined up. Jerry was always leaving and his agent probably told the club as much. Despite your tangerine tinted spectacles it is a job to Yates; a large signing on fee, miles better wages and playing in a higher division. His career is going the right way, which is up. I hate this board at times, grow up.
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Silly boy. It’s always what’s best for the club and player. Sadler is supporting his manager and Joseph is a gamble worth taking but it is a gamble and it’s crucial we now sign some quality.
 
But you haven't much to back up your original claim that it was Sadler's dumbest move yet. Time will tell and Jerry probably wanted to go. Think it through before posting shyte.
 
Not a great OP. Insulting to the man who made the only credible bid to buy our club and has since poured in money to keep us competitive within a realistic budget.

Jerry moving on is an inevitable step in our evolution. We've been selling our best players for as long as any of us can recall. Agreed, our next choice of player/s to lead the line is a critical one and will largely determine whether or not we bounce back first time. Jerry was going though, and it's likely this was his choice as much as the club's. He owes us nothing but that's how football works now and pretty much always has.
 
Mark_GT said:
Not a great OP. Insulting to the man who made the only credible bid to buy our club and has since poured in money to keep us competitive within a realistic budget.

Jerry moving on is an inevitable step in our evolution. We've been selling our best players for as long as any of us can recall. Agreed, our next choice of player/s to lead the line is a critical one and will largely determine whether or not we bounce back first time. Jerry was going though, and it's likely this was his choice as much as the club's. He owes us nothing but that's how football works now and pretty much always has.
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What was the point of your post? You just added nothing to the conversation.
 
Could be one of the smartest. 2.5m in the kitty selling a player with not much potential and bringing in a striker who potentially will only go up in value.
 
A_Tense_Grin said:
Could be one of the smartest. 2.5m in the kitty selling a player with not much potential and bringing in a striker who potentially will only go up in value.
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It’s a calculated gamble and supporting your manager who likes Joseph. We’ve given up a known talent and goal scorer for a lot less cash than we’d get for being promoted to a longer shot to help us achieve our objective. If it works great and if not it will be classed as a costly blunder.
 
Theoneandonly said:
It’s a calculated gamble and supporting your manager who likes Joseph. We’ve given up a known talent and goal scorer for a lot less cash than we’d get for being promoted to a longer shot to help us achieve our objective. If it works great and if not it will be classed as a costly blunder.
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Replacing a striker whatever level is very costly. Yes we got Jerry on the cheap but in general a top striker costs money. Using Jerry to get someone worth around 900k might have been our only option.

Yes it’s a gamble but a club like ours will always have to gamble as we can’t compete financially with a lot of clubs.
 
Theoneandonly said:
It’s a calculated gamble and supporting your manager who likes Joseph. We’ve given up a known talent and goal scorer for a lot less cash than we’d get for being promoted to a longer shot to help us achieve our objective. If it works great and if not it will be classed as a costly blunder.
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The costly blunders were last season's two head coach appointments. Losing Jerry is a consequence of those mistakes. The club is now limiting the damage by getting the best deal it can. We are getting a good young striker as part of the deal. He's played in the division the last two seasons and will get goals for us. And we can recruit further. We will be very competitive next season, and Sadler is learning with experience. He was completely new to it 4 years ago. Some mistakes were inevitable. His intentions are good and the club is far stronger than when he took it over.
 
Theoneandonly said:
What was the point of your post? You just added nothing to the conversation.
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Well actually I have. I've called out your insulting tone to our current owner and addressed the reality of us being a club that has periodically done well from developing assets and selling them to fund future similar investment. I'm also beginning to doubt your intentions. Not entirely in the interests of the new BFC I suspect? Oystonite?
 
Mark_GT said:
Well actually I have. I've called out your insulting tone to our current owner and addressed the reality of us being a club that has periodically done well from developing assets and selling them to fund future similar investment. I'm also beginning to doubt your intentions. Not entirely in the interests of the new BFC I suspect? Oystonite?
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So you said what others have already said and then made a laughable insult that even you would laugh at if you knew how wrong you were. Not good enough I’m afraid.
 
Theoneandonly said:
So you said what others have already said and then made a laughable insult that even you would laugh at if you knew how wrong you were. Not good enough I’m afraid.
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Yeah bit of a cheap shot maybe and taking a look at your posting history most likely not true. They have come in many guises though. Anyway I'll pass on this one now and get back to adding to 20 plus years of posting nothing of note, but at least engaging with posters with decent manners. Good luck with your venture 🤣👍
 
Adams Kebab said:
This is going to be a radical idea for you but have you considered that Yates wants to leave?
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Factumundo - Yates didn't fancy Coventry or Swansea and wanted to stay further North. The club wanted Joseph as they were short on options for strikers and so pushed the deal through with a few sweeteners.
 
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