Sadler ...

You should know by now DA that most on here would use Sadlers shit for toothpaste, he can do no wrong. Why do they think he saved the club? He bought it, it was for sale, the ** supporters, VB and a great legal team saved the club, not Simon Sadler. He is beyond criticism and any that do are castigated and cast asunder.
Of course he's made mistakes, that is obvious, and i never said he saved the club, i said he gave it us back. He's most definitely not beyond criticism, but the post by DA is way way over the top. Calling Sadler a joke and saying the relegation is on him........ utterly needless.
 
Of course he's made mistakes, that is obvious, and i never said he saved the club, i said he gave it us back. He's most definitely not beyond criticism, but the post by DA is way way over the top. Calling Sadler a joke and saying the relegation is on him........ utterly needless.
It's on a number of factors, some of it by total mismanagement and recruitment, some of it atrocious injuries the like I hope we never see the same again, but at the end of the day the person at the top has to take responsibility so he needs to be really positive because if he keeps things as they are and doesn't realise that we are on our way to division 2. He is more in the spotlight now in a negative way so it's how he handles it in the next 12 months that will really count.
 
Whether you agree with the O/P or not, it’s been about as bad as I can recall in 40 plus years (edit: here I’m referring to the catalogue of poor off-field decisions, not performances).

I don’t mind us being garbage, it sort of goes with the fun of being a Pool fan, but actually we had more than enough on the playing staff. That’s what makes it so annoying, but it’s more than that. This sets us back very significantly, both in terms of revenue and building our fan base and infrastructure.

Don’t forget that SS took over on a wave of optimism after a huge sacrifice by fans during NAPM. No other owner of the club has ever had that advantage. I’ve absolutely no reservations in calling SS to account.

There is only one person accountable for a catalogue of shocking decisions this season, and it’s SS. Paying the likes of BM over £350k is in itself a mistake of epic proportions, particularly when we’ve cut corners in far more important areas.

What has happened this week has been amateur. No disrespect to Raggy, he did what we all would have wanted to do, but at a professional Championship club, WTF!

SS needs to get his head out of his arse and actually take responsibility for this shit show. He’s been anonymous when we could all see the writing on the wall early in the season. Being a fan does not exempt him from a proper grilling.

A club I love in good and bad times and I’ll call it as I see it. We’ll have different views, but seriously there can only be one person responsible. It’s the owner.

Before anyone throws in the ‘he saved the club’, we were an attractive proposition at a modest outlay, and he would not have been the only potential buyer.
 
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You should know by now DA that most on here would use Sadlers shit for toothpaste, he can do no wrong. Why do they think he saved the club? He bought it, it was for sale, the ** supporters, VB and a great legal team saved the club, not Simon Sadler. He is beyond criticism and any that do are castigated and cast asunder.

VB was a money laundering wankshaft, who was happy to get back into bed with Owen Oyston after he had sued fans…. (I’ll just let that sink in for a minute)
 
Whether you agree with the O/P or not, it’s been about as bad as I can recall in 40 plus years. I don’t mind us being garbage, it sort of goes with the fun of being a Pool fan, but actually we had more than enough on the playing staff. That’s what makes it so annoying, but it’s more than that. This sets us back very significantly, both in terms of revenue and building our fan base and infrastructure.

Don’t forget that SS took over on a wave of optimism after a huge sacrifice by fans during NAPM. No other owner of the club has ever had that advantage. I’ve absolutely no reservations in calling SS to account.

There is only one person accountable for a catalogue of shocking decisions this season, and it’s SS. Paying the likes of BM over £350k is in itself a mistake of epic proportions, particularly when we’ve cut corners in far more important areas.

What has happened this week has been amateur. No disrespect to Raggy, he did what we all would have wanted to do, but at a professional Championship club, WTF!

SS needs to get his head out of his arse and actually take responsibility for this shit show. He’s been anonymous when we could all see the writing on the wall early in the season. Being a fan does not exempt him from a proper grilling.

A club I love in good and bad times and I’ll call it as I see it. We’ll have different views, but seriously there can only be one person responsible. It’s the owner.

Before anyone throws in the ‘he saved the club’, we were an attractive proposition at a modest outlay, and he would not have been the only potential buyer.
Good post. 👍

Been going 50+ years and I'm as depressed as I've ever been with what a shitshow our club has become and that includes the Oyston era.
 
VB was a money laundering wankshaft, who was happy to get back into bed with Owen Oyston after he had sued fans…. (I’ll just let that sink in for a minute)
We. wouldn't have got rid of the vermin without him and we wouldn't have got in the PL without him. WTF has money laundering got to do with it? And how did he get back in bed with the vermin when they were suing supporters, I don't remember it like that.

Sadler is accountable now the past is the past, we learn from it, but Sadler isn't this ** super hero some want to portray him as.
 
You should know by now DA that most on here would use Sadlers shit for toothpaste, he can do no wrong. Why do they think he saved the club? He bought it, it was for sale, the ** supporters, VB and a great legal team saved the club, not Simon Sadler. He is beyond criticism and any that do are castigated and cast asunder.
With all due respect, the supporters had little to no effect in getting rid of the Oystons, it was VB, without him Oyston would still be here not giving a fuck about NAPM and cutting back as needed.
 
When he got us promoted two years ago he was one of our own. Mansford was the CEO we always wanted.

When they kept us in the Championship last season it was a platform to establish ourselves and push on to the Prem. He was one of our own.

One year later we are going down in a season where we got most things wrong from ticket prices to manager and player recruitment.
He’s now a ** and worse than the Oystons.

I’m pissed off with this season but ffs let’s have some balance
 
With all due respect, the supporters had little to no effect in getting rid of the Oystons, it was VB, without him Oyston would still be here not giving a fuck about NAPM and cutting back as needed.
But they sacrificed everything they loved, they would have won eventually but it may have taken years, there is no doubt VB and the court case was the main reason, which makes my blood boil when we see the total incompetence coming from the club now and still people fawn over Sadler instead of daring to criticise. And then to slag off VB when he really was the one who saved the club is staggering. I wouldn't want him back, he certainly has a shady past, but the short time he was involved in the club he helped us get to the EPL and then helped us get rid of the stains.
 
Whether you agree with the O/P or not, it’s been about as bad as I can recall in 40 plus years. I don’t mind us being garbage, it sort of goes with the fun of being a Pool fan, but actually we had more than enough on the playing staff. That’s what makes it so annoying, but it’s more than that. This sets us back very significantly, both in terms of revenue and building our fan base and infrastructure.

Don’t forget that SS took over on a wave of optimism after a huge sacrifice by fans during NAPM. No other owner of the club has ever had that advantage. I’ve absolutely no reservations in calling SS to account.

There is only one person accountable for a catalogue of shocking decisions this season, and it’s SS. Paying the likes of BM over £350k is in itself a mistake of epic proportions, particularly when we’ve cut corners in far more important areas.

What has happened this week has been amateur. No disrespect to Raggy, he did what we all would have wanted to do, but at a professional Championship club, WTF!

SS needs to get his head out of his arse and actually take responsibility for this shit show. He’s been anonymous when we could all see the writing on the wall early in the season. Being a fan does not exempt him from a proper grilling.

A club I love in good and bad times and I’ll call it as I see it. We’ll have different views, but seriously there can only be one person responsible. It’s the owner.

Before anyone throws in the ‘he saved the club’, we were an attractive proposition at a modest outlay, and he would not have been the only potential buyer.
Is it really as bad it's been in the last 40 years though?
 
Is it really as bad it's been in the last 40 years though?
For me yes, and not because of the relegation. I cannot point to a single sound decision that has been made. In the past we’ve been up against it, but rarely have I seen such a catalogue of poor decisions. Ultimately it’s impacted the players, who are not bottom 3 material. If we were that poor I’d just say fair enough, but it’s off-field decisions that have killed us.
 
Whether you agree with the O/P or not, it’s been about as bad as I can recall in 40 plus years. I don’t mind us being garbage, it sort of goes with the fun of being a Pool fan, but actually we had more than enough on the playing staff. That’s what makes it so annoying, but it’s more than that. This sets us back very significantly, both in terms of revenue and building our fan base and infrastructure.

Don’t forget that SS took over on a wave of optimism after a huge sacrifice by fans during NAPM. No other owner of the club has ever had that advantage. I’ve absolutely no reservations in calling SS to account.

There is only one person accountable for a catalogue of shocking decisions this season, and it’s SS. Paying the likes of BM over £350k is in itself a mistake of epic proportions, particularly when we’ve cut corners in far more important areas.

What has happened this week has been amateur. No disrespect to Raggy, he did what we all would have wanted to do, but at a professional Championship club, WTF!

SS needs to get his head out of his arse and actually take responsibility for this shit show. He’s been anonymous when we could all see the writing on the wall early in the season. Being a fan does not exempt him from a proper grilling.

A club I love in good and bad times and I’ll call it as I see it. We’ll have different views, but seriously there can only be one person responsible. It’s the owner.

Before anyone throws in the ‘he saved the club’, we were an attractive proposition at a modest outlay, and he would not have been the only potential buyer.
Have you forgotten the Oystons? What the fuck are you talking about. We've got the best pitch in the Championship, a great infrastructure at the club, lots of community interaction, and it's the worst you've seen in 40 years?
You must have dementia pal. Wind your neck in and get real you ** utter clown.
 
With all due respect, the supporters had little to no effect in getting rid of the Oystons, it was VB, without him Oyston would still be here not giving a fuck about NAPM and cutting back as needed.
“The lawyers representing Belokon, aided by the Supporters’ Trust, provided evidence of the boycott and the loss it was causing to the club,” he says.

“It was put to them that should the receiver be appointed, the boycott would cease to exist, meaning fans and income come back to the club. That was the point that swayed the judge to appoint the receiver.

“The boycott was so relevant in the decision to appoint the receiver, which took the club out of the Oystons’ hands.”


Obviously couldn't have done it without the court case by VB, but not sure what would have happened with no boycott. Would the club have been taken out of Oyston hands?
 
Whether you agree with the O/P or not, it’s been about as bad as I can recall in 40 plus years. I don’t mind us being garbage, it sort of goes with the fun of being a Pool fan, but actually we had more than enough on the playing staff. That’s what makes it so annoying, but it’s more than that. This sets us back very significantly, both in terms of revenue and building our fan base and infrastructure.

Don’t forget that SS took over on a wave of optimism after a huge sacrifice by fans during NAPM. No other owner of the club has ever had that advantage. I’ve absolutely no reservations in calling SS to account.

There is only one person accountable for a catalogue of shocking decisions this season, and it’s SS. Paying the likes of BM over £350k is in itself a mistake of epic proportions, particularly when we’ve cut corners in far more important areas.

What has happened this week has been amateur. No disrespect to Raggy, he did what we all would have wanted to do, but at a professional Championship club, WTF!

SS needs to get his head out of his arse and actually take responsibility for this shit show. He’s been anonymous when we could all see the writing on the wall early in the season. Being a fan does not exempt him from a proper grilling.

A club I love in good and bad times and I’ll call it as I see it. We’ll have different views, but seriously there can only be one person responsible. It’s the owner.

Before anyone throws in the ‘he saved the club’, we were an attractive proposition at a modest outlay, and he would not have been the only potential buyer.
Good post agree totally... With the Oystons it was OO who said in every meeting " it's Oystons Money" when defending his ownership... SS defending his ownership it's " I'm the custodian of the club" I personally lost all faith in him after his Appleton rant... He makes the decisions and is accountable for them he said. Accountable to who? He hides away with the rest of his management team that are well out of their depth. As mentioned in the post SS came into the club when it had the most positive atmosphere in decades,. no matter what owner came in the fans would get behind them, especially after the shit show of the Oystons ownership. Well the club is in freefall now, no progress just regression into a poorly run club, from top to bottom.
 
Bad as it's been in 40 years?.

I remember the last home game I went to before I moved to the US was against Wrexham in late 2003. Pretty sure Colin Hendry was in charge, there was about 4000 there, no atmosphere at all apart from a few kids behind me making monkey noises and shouting "spearchucker" every time a black Wrexham player got the ball. For those of us who started going in the 80s/90s even one season at this level felt impossible. I honestly thought it would never happen in my lifetime.

The club was in a coma and had been for decades bar that one season where we gave it a go alledgedly cause Oyston wanted some good PR during his trial.

Its not even as bad as it was during Graysons second tenure.

Clearly though the season has been incredibly disappointing and if we really do have ambitions of being a perennial championship club we need big changes.
 
“The lawyers representing Belokon, aided by the Supporters’ Trust, provided evidence of the boycott and the loss it was causing to the club,” he says.

“It was put to them that should the receiver be appointed, the boycott would cease to exist, meaning fans and income come back to the club. That was the point that swayed the judge to appoint the receiver.

“The boycott was so relevant in the decision to appoint the receiver, which took the club out of the Oystons’ hands.”


Obviously couldn't have done it without the court case by VB, but not sure what would have happened with no boycott. Would the club have been taken out of Oyston hands?
It was a combined effort. VB took the necessary legal steps and we, as fans, made it easier for the judge to arrive at the right ruling.

Our approach was based on what any good movement needs: media, legal and political. Everyone played their part in working some of those elements. at least those who did anything through those tough years.
 
Good post agree totally... With the Oystons it was OO who said in every meeting " it's Oystons Money" when defending his ownership... SS defending his ownership it's " I'm the custodian of the club" I personally lost all faith in him after his Appleton rant... He makes the decisions and is accountable for them he said. Accountable to who? He hides away with the rest of his management team that are well out of their depth. As mentioned in the post SS came into the club when it had the most positive atmosphere in decades,. no matter what owner came in the fans would get behind them, especially after the shit show of the Oystons ownership. Well the club is in freefall now, no progress just regression into a poorly run club, from top to bottom.
Maybe we should all pause to remember how toxic the ownership was as the football clubs assets were taken away, the club run into the ground and our free fall into div2.

Perhaps TAM could remind us on what the CAR inherited in the first days after the O’s left. I recall just 4 four non-playing members of staff and only a week’s wages being left in the business with a very full box of shredded document.

It’s been a complete rebuild. And yes I’d have made mistakes along the way despite spending millions of the family money.

Perhaps it’s salutary to wish for what we can’t yet afford. Being in the Championship requires sustained investment until it begins to pay for itself.
 
Simon employs people to run the club and it’s time for him to look seriously at those who do. He was noticeable by his absence yesterday, family Easter holiday, or did he stay away because he’s close to making changes.
 
Have you forgotten the Oystons? What the fuck are you talking about. We've got the best pitch in the Championship, a great infrastructure at the club, lots of community interaction, and it's the worst you've seen in 40 years?
You must have dementia pal. Wind your neck in and get real you ** utter clown.
I think you’ve missed the point of my post. I’m talking about the catalogue of mistakes that have taken us to where we are. It has nothing to do with past owners and we cannot use the O’s as a benchmark. People need to move on from that comparison. SS has to be judged on his ownership alone and this season we have got more or less every key decision wrong.

I’m not talking about success over the past 40 years. I’ve actually referred to the fun of being a Pool fan, none of us are for the glory just the love. I’m referring to the mistakes. If you can recall a worse season let me know, when we’ve actually had the talent in the squad and got it so wrong off the field.

When I talk about infrastructure I’m referring to the key issues of training ground and East Stand.

You mention a good pitch, my god, we’re a professional Championship club, it’s a prerequisite not something we should be grateful for. The community based activity is good, but again, it’s what every pro club does.

Your benchmark is clearly anything better than the O’s is fine. That will forever leave us looking backwards.
 
When he got us promoted two years ago he was one of our own. Mansford was the CEO we always wanted.

When they kept us in the Championship last season it was a platform to establish ourselves and push on to the Prem. He was one of our own.

One year later we are going down in a season where we got most things wrong from ticket prices to manager and player recruitment.
He’s now a ** and worse than the Oystons.

I’m pissed off with this season but ffs let’s have some balance
Nowhere has anyone said he’s worse than the O’s. Looking back to that era is not good for us and SS is accountable for his own management and decisions.
 
With all due respect, the supporters had little to no effect in getting rid of the Oystons, it was VB, without him Oyston would still be here not giving a fuck about NAPM and cutting back as needed.
I think that is true of a point in time back then, but OO would not be in charge now. The pressure from many sides would have ramped up and protests taken to a higher level. I have a vague memory of OO wanting to get rid post PL.
 
I think that is true of a point in time back then, but OO would not be in charge now. The pressure from many sides would have ramped up and protests taken to a higher level. I have a vague memory of OO wanting to get rid post PL.
No one would have bought it for the price he wanted though, it literally had to be ripped from his withered hands, he also would have still wanted some input, there's not a chance he would have walked away, it's all the wanker had left.

He couldn't have given a fuck about NAPM, it was just more attention for him.
 
For me yes, and not because of the relegation. I cannot point to a single sound decision that has been made. In the past we’ve been up against it, but rarely have I seen such a catalogue of poor decisions. Ultimately it’s impacted the players, who are not bottom 3 material. If we were that poor I’d just say fair enough, but it’s off-field decisions that have killed us.
Would've had a better chance of staying up without having to play 20% of our games with 10 men.
 
No one would have bought it for the price he wanted though, it literally had to be ripped from his withered hands, he also would have still wanted some input, there's not a chance he would have walked away, it's all the wanker had left.

He couldn't have given a fuck about NAPM, it was just more attention for him.
That's the point, without the judge taking it out of his hands they might not have got rid, at least initially, who knows what levels the boycott would have got to though.

All we know is the boycott was relevant in the judge appointing the receiver. I don't know what would have happened without it.
 
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