Schools are safe?

BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure why teachers have been so awkward throughout this pandemic tbh.

Probably the only profession that have gone out of their way to be hard work.

Just get on with it and stop whinging 👎
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Fuck off. We've done everything asked of us. I've let some of the stuff you've posted over the last 9 months go because you at least present a cogent pov but on this you just sound like a **.
 
southshorepool said:
Fuck off. We've done everything asked of us. I've let some of the stuff you've posted over the last 9 months go because you at least present a cogent pov but on this you just sound like a **.
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To be fair to BFC if you listen to the Teaching Union reps I’d agree with him
They moan about everything - they really need to engage brain before they speak
The teachers on the ground are another matter
 
southshorepool said:
Fuck off. We've done everything asked of us. I've let some of the stuff you've posted over the last 9 months go because you at least present a cogent pov but on this you just sound like a **.
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Don’t think bfc x 3 is having a pop at the teachers personally but even a hard left bloke like you would have to admit the behaviour of the teachers union has been disgraceful.
 
911_Kirky said:
Restaurants, pubs and non essential shops closed, to reduce the spread of COVID - but still the virus spread..... whilst Schools, colleges and Universities stayed open. It doesn’t take a professor to work out how and why the bloody virus has spread as quickly as it has.
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Keeping schools and colleges open (the vast majority of university courses are online only now) has certainly added to the virus numbers - but I think the main reason the virus has spread so much is because of the large numbers of "adults" not following the rules (or guidance 🙂 ).
 
My daughter`s a supply teacher which meant there was no furlough income for her. Most of her work is at schools where staff are off with Covid but she has never turned down a single day`s work that she`s been offered since the schools returned.

As said above it`s the teaching unions that are a disgrace.
 
southshorepool said:
Fuck off. We've done everything asked of us. I've let some of the stuff you've posted over the last 9 months go because you at least present a cogent pov but on this you just sound like a **.
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Don’t ever feel the need to ‘let anything go’.. I’d much rather you challenged me with a strong reply that maybe forced me to reconsider my position, than get wound up and resort to calling me names 👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Don’t ever feel the need to ‘let anything go’.. I’d much rather you challenged me with a strong reply that maybe forced me to reconsider my position, than get wound up and resort to calling me names 👍
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As opposed to you questioning the whole of a profession's integrity. Gut reaction and all that but I stand by what I said.
I'm not getting drawn into a spat with you because there's more important things going on at the moment.
 
southshorepool said:
As opposed to you questioning the whole of a profession's integrity. Gut reaction and all that but I stand by what I said.
I'm not getting drawn into a spat with you because there's more important things going on at the moment.
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Well, if you can’t manage to adequately defend the integrity of your profession with anything more than name calling mate, I think that probably says more than I can ever do on the subject.

There are more important things going on right now you’re right. Though nothing is more important than ensuring our Head Teacher’s Christmas Dinner isn’t interrupted it would seem.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Well, if you can’t manage to adequately defend the integrity of your profession with anything more than name calling mate, I think that probably says more than I can ever do on the subject.

There are more important things going on right now you’re right. Though nothing is more important than ensuring our Head Teacher’s Christmas Dinner isn’t interrupted it would seem.
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I don't need to defend the profession to you or anyone else as there is nothing to defend. You've made your mind up and that's the end of that. You carry on though. I've got lessons to plan and mass testing to learn.
 
southshorepool said:
I don't need to defend the profession to you or anyone else as there is nothing to defend. You've made your mind up and that's the end of that. You carry on though. I've got lessons to plan and mass testing to learn.
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I’ve made my comments, based on the exposure I have (typically Teachers Union response, backed by comment from individual Teachers as well as certain individuals on here).

As ever, I would be very happy to take on board an alternative perspective. My mind is never ‘Made Up’ on anything ever.

I’m afraid though, that calling me a ** is not the most persuasive argument I’ve ever experienced in this forum. Though it’s kind of what I have come to expect really, particularly (strangely enough) from the more left leaning posters.

I’m assuming lesson planning is part of your job and hopefully mass testing will help us all to get the virus under control. I’d certainly welcome any opportunity to implement in our workplace and be more than happy to work on Christmas Day (or any other day for that matter) if that was what was required.
 
No kids at school no parents at work. It’s as simple as that.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure why teachers have been so awkward throughout this pandemic tbh.

Probably the only profession that have gone out of their way to be hard work.

Just get on with it and stop whinging 👎
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I’m not clear in what way teachers have been “awkward”.

The two things that stick out in my mind are:

schools in Greenwich wanting to close a week early before Xmas, to stop the spread, and Williamson telling them if they did they’d be sued. But yesterday Williamson said school reopening would be put back, to stop the spread.

schools being told before Xmas they’d have to undertake testing of all their pupils in the new year but with no explanation of how that’d be done or the resources that would be supplied. It’s a bit like telling TAM now that on Monday he’d be responsible for testing all his staff. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a few questions. And I’d imagine he’d get a bit miffed if he asked them and was then told to stop being awkward and just to get on with it.

Are you able to give examples of the “awkwardness” you have in mind?
 
1950`spoolfan said:
My daughter`s a supply teacher which meant there was no furlough income for her. Most of her work is at schools where staff are off with Covid but she has never turned down a single day`s work that she`s been offered since the schools returned.

As said above it`s the teaching unions that are a disgrace.
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Because?? The role of any union is to defend it's members working terms and conditions. I think that with the daily risk that teachers have of contracting covid (no social distancing possible with 30 or more pupils from 30 different households - and that's just at Primary level)... their unions have every right to challenge some aspects of the Government policy decisions recently. Especially now that it is known more of the transmission risks.
But hey, why don't you go into a school to volunteer to help?... Except that you're not allowed to currently - because of the risk to pupils, staff and yourself. Think about that for a while.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I’m not clear in what way teachers have been “awkward”.

The two things that stick out in my mind are:

schools in Greenwich wanting to close a week early before Xmas, to stop the spread, and Williamson telling them if they did they’d be sued. But yesterday Williamson said school reopening would be put back, to stop the spread.

schools being told before Xmas they’d have to undertake testing of all their pupils in the new year but with no explanation of how that’d be done or the resources that would be supplied. It’s a bit like telling TAM now that on Monday he’d be responsible for testing all his staff. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a few questions. And I’d imagine he’d get a bit miffed if he asked them and was then told to stop being awkward and just to get on with it.

Are you able to give examples of the “awkwardness” you have in mind?
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I’m pretty sure if TAM were told to test his staff on Monday and the tests were available he would just get on with it, rather than making a big song and dance about it.

Unfortunately, Covid doesn’t provide us with several weeks advance warning of its activities and business, systems, governments and health providers as well as the public have had to adapt on the fly...

From what I have seen, the Teaching Unions have been obstructive and the response has lacked the imagination and good grace that has been plentiful in so many other areas.

The Teachers may comply with requirements, but they don’t half like to make sure the rest of us know about it!!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m pretty sure if TAM were told to test his staff on Monday and the tests were available he would just get on with it, rather than making a big song and dance about it.

Unfortunately, Covid doesn’t provide us with several weeks advance warning of its activities and business, systems, governments and health providers as well as the public have had to adapt on the fly...

From what I have seen, the Teaching Unions have been obstructive and the response has lacked the imagination and good grace that has been plentiful in so many other areas.

The Teachers may comply with requirements, but they don’t half like to make sure the rest of us know about it!!
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Well I expect, being a diligent sort of chap, TAM might have a few questions.

TAM “When you say staff do you mean staff just in the office or those working from home as well?”
BFC “Stop being so awkward. Just get on with it!!”
TAM “Err ok. But do I get any training? And when do I get the testing kits?”
BFC “I told you stop being so obstructive. Just get on with it!!”
TAM “Ok. I’ll do my best. Where do I send the test kits afterwards and when are we likely to get the results?”
BFC “** solicitors!!!!! Why are you all so bloody obstructive and awkward? How about a bit of positivity instead of all the moaning!!!”
TAM “Hmmmm”

Can you give me a specific example of when teachers have been “obstructive”?
 
BlackpoolWolves said:
Because?? The role of any union is to defend it's members working terms and conditions. I think that with the daily risk that teachers have of contracting covid (no social distancing possible with 30 or more pupils from 30 different households - and that's just at Primary level)... their unions have every right to challenge some aspects of the Government policy decisions recently. Especially now that it is known more of the transmission risks.
But hey, why don't you go into a school to volunteer to help?... Except that you're not allowed to currently - because of the risk to pupils, staff and yourself. Think about that for a while.
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At a time like this the country needs all the help its people can give it.

There are some such as health workers and teachers and many others whose first reaction is to think what they can do to help,selflessly make sacrifices to put the interests of others first and there are some who responsibly follow the rules to protect all but unfortunately and inevitably there are others,the usual suspects, who first and foremost have a knee jerk reaction of uncooperative,obstructive, negativity as well illustrated here,no surprise there, plus of course there are those who are thoroughly irresponsible and put their own selfish pleasures above protecting the lives and health of the more vulnerable.

This pandemic has clearly illustrated which camp so many in this country are in. Some wonderfully caring selfless people ,some clearly not.It`s the same the whole world over ,always was always will be.We are just lucky that there are so many good people in this country in the former camp who put the best interests of those who need their help first.
 
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Mexboroseasider said:
Well I expect, being a diligent sort of chap, TAM might have a few questions.

TAM “When you say staff do you mean staff just in the office or those working from home as well?”
BFC “Stop being so awkward. Just get on with it!!”
TAM “Err ok. But do I get any training? And when do I get the testing kits?”
BFC “I told you stop being so obstructive. Just get on with it!!”
TAM “Ok. I’ll do my best. Where do I send the test kits afterwards and when are we likely to get the results?”
BFC “** solicitors!!!!! Why are you all so bloody obstructive and awkward? How about a bit of positivity instead of all the moaning!!!”
TAM “Hmmmm”

Can you give me a specific example of when teachers have been “obstructive”?
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Like I say, he'd just get on with it and use his brain and if he felt he needed some training then pro-actively seek it out, without any particular fuss. You might call it 'adopting a can do attitude', rather than looking for every possible reason under the sun why the Government was making it impossible for you to do your job and why you cannot possibly undertake what amounts to a pretty bloody straightforward task, given a modicum of get up and go.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Like I say, he'd just get on with it and use his brain and if he felt he needed some training then pro-actively seek it out, without any particular fuss. You might call it 'adopting a can do attitude', rather than looking for every possible reason under the sun why the Government was making it impossible for you to do your job and why you cannot possibly undertake what amounts to a pretty bloody straightforward task, given a modicum of get up and go.
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Yeah.....but.....

You still haven’t given me any specific examples of when teachers have been “awkward” or “obstructive”. Without specific examples it’s more a case of you having a “gut feeling” (aka prejudice) that teachers are by nature awkward and obstructive.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Yeah.....but.....

You still haven’t given me any specific examples of when teachers have been “awkward” or “obstructive”. Without specific examples it’s more a case of you having a “gut feeling” (aka prejudice) that teachers are by nature awkward and obstructive.
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I'm aware of that and I won't be providing any 'specific examples' (so it doesn't really matter how many times you repeat yourself) because I can't be arsed ploughing through the internet to re-find them. I've based my opinion in what I have read and also seen on T.V.

So far I've seen on here nothing to change my opinion. If you want to provide some examples of the teaching organisations pro-actively working to promote and facilitate Government Policy in regard to CoViD, then I'm all ears. 👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I'm aware of that and I won't be providing any 'specific examples' (so it doesn't really matter how many times you repeat yourself) because I can't be arsed ploughing through the internet to re-find them. I've based my opinion in what I have read and also seen on T.V.

So far I've seen on here nothing to change my opinion. If you want to provide some examples of the teaching organisations pro-actively working to promote and facilitate Government Policy in regard to CoViD, then I'm all ears. 👍
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Okey dokey.

Nowt wrong with a bit of unsubstantiated and groundless bias now and again.

So long as it doesn’t become a habit
 
Have we got some constructive examples of those criticising teachers helping out with the pandemic?

All I know is my other half (a TA) has worked pretty much all the way through, delivered food parcels, spent a lot of time in a close confined classroom with a lot of kids who neither social distance or for a large number of them, come from households who literally don't give a shit about the rules:

- what did you do at the weekend billy?
- sleepover with my cousins in blackburn miss. It was ace, they were all there (sneeze, directly in face)

My partner has been hugged, coughed on, cleaned up vomit etc etc etc and often works with kids who literally don't understand distancing requirements or need to be physically interacted with. All of which she's done and to the best of my knowledge her colleagues have done. I also know a bloke who is 73 and supporting kids in an education setting.

So, I'm intrigued by the attitude that teachers and education have done fuck all especially as she isn't (or wasn't) entitled to PPE or a mask due to the guidelines on primary schools suggesting they're not needed unless you're doing 'personal care'

I assume someone will outline why my partner being quite nervous about going back to work is simply 'whining' when it seems most professions are allowed certain conditions but schools aren't. I also am sure that primary schools will welcome those who are complaining bringing their get up and go as volunteer readers or even training as teachers seen as there's a real shortage of adults to supervise kids in school and all you need is a DBS check.
 
td53 said:
Have we got some constructive examples of those criticising teachers helping out with the pandemic?

All I know is my other half (a TA) has worked pretty much all the way through, delivered food parcels, spent a lot of time in a close confined classroom with a lot of kids who neither social distance or for a large number of them, come from households who literally don't give a shit about the rules:

- what did you do at the weekend billy?
- sleepover with my cousins in blackburn miss. It was ace, they were all there (sneeze, directly in face)

My partner has been hugged, coughed on, cleaned up vomit etc etc etc and often works with kids who literally don't understand distancing requirements or need to be physically interacted with. All of which she's done and to the best of my knowledge her colleagues have done. I also know a bloke who is 73 and supporting kids in an education setting.

So, I'm intrigued by the attitude that teachers and education have done fuck all especially as she isn't (or wasn't) entitled to PPE or a mask due to the guidelines on primary schools suggesting they're not needed unless you're doing 'personal care'

I assume someone will outline why my partner being quite nervous about going back to work is simply 'whining' when it seems most professions are allowed certain conditions but schools aren't. I also am sure that primary schools will welcome those who are complaining bringing their get up and go as volunteer readers or even training as teachers seen as there's a real shortage of adults to supervise kids in school and all you need is a DBS check.
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Now that's a post that is worth reading.... Thankyou for your insight..... 👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure why teachers have been so awkward throughout this pandemic tbh.

Probably the only profession that have gone out of their way to be hard work.

Just get on with it and stop whinging 👎
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An opinion based on hearsay, rumour and the odd statement, fuck off.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Better a LWNJ than a born again hippie 👍 Or have you reverted back now? I can never keep up with your stance.
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Yes, I've reverted back... I realised the left were even more twatty than the right after all. So I've decided to be a slightly right of centre with a bit of left wing edgyness if I go to a music festival.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Ah...OK... Well the polite version has had a far more profound effect on influencing my opinion than calling me a **, so you've made some positive headway.👍
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🤣 👍

There's too much shouting at each other. No one is having a brilliant time atm aside from Jeff Bezos.
 
catinstalbans said:
It's just the mixing of households within schools that is the problem.
Please can anyone explain to me wtf this means?

How can you teach classes of 30 students without the mixing of households?
More idiocy from the lying clown in Downing Street.
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Come come now Cat, that wasn't lies, that was stupidity.
 
td53 said:
Have we got some constructive examples of those criticising teachers helping out with the pandemic?

All I know is my other half (a TA) has worked pretty much all the way through, delivered food parcels, spent a lot of time in a close confined classroom with a lot of kids who neither social distance or for a large number of them, come from households who literally don't give a shit about the rules:

- what did you do at the weekend billy?
- sleepover with my cousins in blackburn miss. It was ace, they were all there (sneeze, directly in face)

My partner has been hugged, coughed on, cleaned up vomit etc etc etc and often works with kids who literally don't understand distancing requirements or need to be physically interacted with. All of which she's done and to the best of my knowledge her colleagues have done. I also know a bloke who is 73 and supporting kids in an education setting.

So, I'm intrigued by the attitude that teachers and education have done fuck all especially as she isn't (or wasn't) entitled to PPE or a mask due to the guidelines on primary schools suggesting they're not needed unless you're doing 'personal care'

I assume someone will outline why my partner being quite nervous about going back to work is simply 'whining' when it seems most professions are allowed certain conditions but schools aren't. I also am sure that primary schools will welcome those who are complaining bringing their get up and go as volunteer readers or even training as teachers seen as there's a real shortage of adults to supervise kids in school and all you need is a DBS check.
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Excellent post. I left primary teaching in 2019 but still have several friends in the profession. Not once during this pandemic have I wished I was back there. As for many other jobs, I appreciate (especially front line NHS and care workers), all staff working in schools have put themselves at personal risk simply by turning up for work and the vast majority have had a difficult time - dealing with a myriad of new instructions - sometimes half baked and nearly always at very short notice.
 
Scaramanga said:
No kids at school no parents at work. It’s as simple as that.
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That’s simply not true
We allowed all our support staff with children the option of working from home in the first lockdown and many more did the same
How does closing non-essential business’s to accommodate schools opening translate to protecting ‘ wealth ‘ The reality it it doesn’t
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
That’s simply not true
We allowed all our support staff with children the option of working from home in the first lockdown and many more did the same
How does closing non-essential business’s to accommodate schools opening translate to protecting ‘ wealth ‘ The reality it it doesn’t
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The fact remains the biggest reason they want to keep the kids at school is to keep most parents at work. You know as well as I do the economy is the driving force behind the government.
 
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