Schools are safe?

The fact remains the biggest reason they want to keep the kids at school is to keep most parents at work. You know as well as I do the economy is the driving force behind the government.
I really don’t think that’s what this is about

This Govt has some weird illogical obsessions - saving Xmas and keeping London in tier 2 spring to mind

Prioritising educating ahead of everything is just the most damaging
 
makes me wonder where the main priorities will lie when we get clear of the virus and start to concentrate on clawing back the increased debt that Covid has caused our economy?
Will we accept a general increase in income tax or pay freeze in the public sector?
Private sector companies are on their knees in many industries so they’ll take a while to recover or even re-employ so how much pain are we prepared to take?
 
I really don’t think that’s what this is about

This Govt has some weird illogical obsessions - saving Xmas and keeping London in tier 2 spring to mind

Prioritising educating ahead of everything is just the most damaging
I think you are right there, though it’s not so much an obsession, I just think Boris makes stupid and ill considered commitments and backs himself into corners.

Christmas and Education are a couple of examples. Another was ruling out a second lockdown, referring to it as a ‘Nuclear Option’ etc..

He’s been the same in regard to Brexit...

Each time it then requires some kind of monumental climb down and a certain amount of embarrassment in order to simply make the correct policy decisions.
 
I think you are right there, though it’s not so much an obsession, I just think Boris makes stupid and ill considered commitments and backs himself into corners.

Christmas and Education are a couple of examples. Another was ruling out a second lockdown, referring to it as a ‘Nuclear Option’ etc..

He’s been the same in regard to Brexit...

Each time it then requires some kind of monumental climb down and a certain amount of embarrassment in order to simply make the correct policy decisions.
Good points

Massively promoting and financially supporting ‘ Eat Out To Help Out ‘ and then weeks later delivering the whole hospitality industry up as the sacrificial lamb to ‘ Stop The Spread ‘ must be up there in the Idiocy Top Ten though to be fair there’s some strong competition
 
Good points

Massively promoting and financially supporting ‘ Eat Out To Help Out ‘ and then weeks later delivering the whole hospitality industry up as the sacrificial lamb to ‘ Stop The Spread ‘ must be up there in the Idiocy Top Ten though to be fair there’s some strong competition
It couldn’t be helped, nobody would get it right, Corbyn would have been useless etc...etc...
 
I really don’t think that’s what this is about

This Govt has some weird illogical obsessions - saving Xmas and keeping London in tier 2 spring to mind

Prioritising educating ahead of everything is just the most damaging

I wonder if it's so they don't get perceived as 'caving to Union pressure'
 
I wonder if it's so they don't get perceived as 'caving to Union pressure'
Not sure the Unions would get support if they opposed a plan that might for eg provide for

Schools to shut until early to mid Feb but with no Feb half term / one week hol at Easter and two week less over the summer

Seems a no brainer to me
 
Not sure the Unions would get support if they opposed a plan that might for eg provide for

Schools to shut until early to mid Feb but with no Feb half term / one week hol at Easter and two week less over the summer

Seems a no brainer to me

It's more that if he closes them it gives unions a chance to say "we won" and the mail/express like nothing better than to get angry about unions and thus might get angry about Boris. I wish I had more faith that he'd think logically but it still feels like decisions based on the focus group of press/public reaction.

Who knows what he'll do. It's like second guessing Critch's selections.
 
Like many a professional you will find
Not sure the Unions would get support if they opposed a plan that might for eg provide for

Schools to shut until early to mid Feb but with no Feb half term / one week hol at Easter and two week less over the summer

Seems a no brainer to me
Teaching is still taking place. Apart from Monday which has been changed to an INSET to try to work out what the hell we are supposed to be doing after Gavin Williamson's inept comments and so called guidance.
My Headteacher was working on Track and Trace effectively doing Sercos job but doing it right till 8 o clock on Christmas Eve after an influx of new cases. He had Christmas Day and Boxing Day off and then started up again trying to make some semblance of sense to the Government's directives. I have watched a brilliant leader age what seems like ten years over the last year and know he wonders how much longer he can go on. He works most days in the holidays anyway so extending the terms would not free up any extra time, actually reduce his time as he would then have the day to day issues that crop up when over a 1000 students are in school to add to his workload.
Many teachers including myself have often been preparing two lessons instead of one for each class since September, one for the students in the room and another for the students self isolating (sometimes they match but when the in class lesson is a practical for example this has to be a complete separate set of instructions.)
Yes we might moan about it sometimes in the same way everyone moans about their job sometimes but we have done everything asked of us during this pandemic. We have put in extra work already for the benefit of our students, adjusted to new systems, taught without masks in rooms with inadequate ventilation, (my room is a great teaching lab but only 3 of the 8 windows actually open and then only by a couple of inches, two of which have to be propped open with blocks of wood.
Saying extend the terms would have merit only if lessons were suspended.
Lastly students need breaks too. Our students have worked incredibly hard this last year. I have been incredibly impressed with the resilience and fortitude they have shown, and the efforts they have made to catch up. Believe me, by Christmas it was not just the teachers that were exhausted, the students were shattered and desperately needed the break. Extended the school year would not have a commensurate effect on their learning as their exhaustion would dramatically reduce any effectiveness, not something ever considered in the argument to punish so called "lazy" teachers.
If extra time is needed then it should be put into the start of the next academic year. A mid August start would allow a reasonable length of term to recuperate and if the government had any level of forward thinking they could look at using this as an opportunity to introduce the long touted 4 term year. Unfortunately we don't have any level of forward thinking in the most ignorant and incompetent education secretary to have held the position in the 30 years I have been teaching.
Anyway, back to the marking.
 
Like many a professional you will find

Teaching is still taking place. Apart from Monday which has been changed to an INSET to try to work out what the hell we are supposed to be doing after Gavin Williamson's inept comments and so called guidance.
My Headteacher was working on Track and Trace effectively doing Sercos job but doing it right till 8 o clock on Christmas Eve after an influx of new cases. He had Christmas Day and Boxing Day off and then started up again trying to make some semblance of sense to the Government's directives. I have watched a brilliant leader age what seems like ten years over the last year and know he wonders how much longer he can go on. He works most days in the holidays anyway so extending the terms would not free up any extra time, actually reduce his time as he would then have the day to day issues that crop up when over a 1000 students are in school to add to his workload.
Many teachers including myself have often been preparing two lessons instead of one for each class since September, one for the students in the room and another for the students self isolating (sometimes they match but when the in class lesson is a practical for example this has to be a complete separate set of instructions.)
Yes we might moan about it sometimes in the same way everyone moans about their job sometimes but we have done everything asked of us during this pandemic. We have put in extra work already for the benefit of our students, adjusted to new systems, taught without masks in rooms with inadequate ventilation, (my room is a great teaching lab but only 3 of the 8 windows actually open and then only by a couple of inches, two of which have to be propped open with blocks of wood.
Saying extend the terms would have merit only if lessons were suspended.
Lastly students need breaks too. Our students have worked incredibly hard this last year. I have been incredibly impressed with the resilience and fortitude they have shown, and the efforts they have made to catch up. Believe me, by Christmas it was not just the teachers that were exhausted, the students were shattered and desperately needed the break. Extended the school year would not have a commensurate effect on their learning as their exhaustion would dramatically reduce any effectiveness, not something ever considered in the argument to punish so called "lazy" teachers.
If extra time is needed then it should be put into the start of the next academic year. A mid August start would allow a reasonable length of term to recuperate and if the government had any level of forward thinking they could look at using this as an opportunity to introduce the long touted 4 term year. Unfortunately we don't have any level of forward thinking in the most ignorant and incompetent education secretary to have held the position in the 30 years I have been teaching.
Anyway, back to the marking.
Great post, and thank you for sharing from the coalface 👍 We need to avoid education becoming an ideological battleground and remember that its implementation is about pupils and staff, teaching and health. We can argue our political views till doomsday, but teaching and keeping everyone safe is far more important.
 
Like many a professional you will find

Teaching is still taking place. Apart from Monday which has been changed to an INSET to try to work out what the hell we are supposed to be doing after Gavin Williamson's inept comments and so called guidance.
My Headteacher was working on Track and Trace effectively doing Sercos job but doing it right till 8 o clock on Christmas Eve after an influx of new cases. He had Christmas Day and Boxing Day off and then started up again trying to make some semblance of sense to the Government's directives. I have watched a brilliant leader age what seems like ten years over the last year and know he wonders how much longer he can go on. He works most days in the holidays anyway so extending the terms would not free up any extra time, actually reduce his time as he would then have the day to day issues that crop up when over a 1000 students are in school to add to his workload.
Many teachers including myself have often been preparing two lessons instead of one for each class since September, one for the students in the room and another for the students self isolating (sometimes they match but when the in class lesson is a practical for example this has to be a complete separate set of instructions.)
Yes we might moan about it sometimes in the same way everyone moans about their job sometimes but we have done everything asked of us during this pandemic. We have put in extra work already for the benefit of our students, adjusted to new systems, taught without masks in rooms with inadequate ventilation, (my room is a great teaching lab but only 3 of the 8 windows actually open and then only by a couple of inches, two of which have to be propped open with blocks of wood.
Saying extend the terms would have merit only if lessons were suspended.
Lastly students need breaks too. Our students have worked incredibly hard this last year. I have been incredibly impressed with the resilience and fortitude they have shown, and the efforts they have made to catch up. Believe me, by Christmas it was not just the teachers that were exhausted, the students were shattered and desperately needed the break. Extended the school year would not have a commensurate effect on their learning as their exhaustion would dramatically reduce any effectiveness, not something ever considered in the argument to punish so called "lazy" teachers.
If extra time is needed then it should be put into the start of the next academic year. A mid August start would allow a reasonable length of term to recuperate and if the government had any level of forward thinking they could look at using this as an opportunity to introduce the long touted 4 term year. Unfortunately we don't have any level of forward thinking in the most ignorant and incompetent education secretary to have held the position in the 30 years I have been teaching.
Anyway, back to the marking.
Cat I’ve no experience of teaching. What would the 4 term scenario look like?
Have they said how that would break down month wise and term size?
Would it be 4 x 11 week terms and 8 weeks holiday across the year?
 
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A decent and informative post for a change CAT, which helps people to understand the situation a little bit better.

It’s difficult to cut through your politicisation of every single topic at times and whilst you still couldn’t resist a pop, at least there’s some substance to this beyond that.👍
 
Like many a professional you will find

Teaching is still taking place. Apart from Monday which has been changed to an INSET to try to work out what the hell we are supposed to be doing after Gavin Williamson's inept comments and so called guidance.
My Headteacher was working on Track and Trace effectively doing Sercos job but doing it right till 8 o clock on Christmas Eve after an influx of new cases. He had Christmas Day and Boxing Day off and then started up again trying to make some semblance of sense to the Government's directives. I have watched a brilliant leader age what seems like ten years over the last year and know he wonders how much longer he can go on. He works most days in the holidays anyway so extending the terms would not free up any extra time, actually reduce his time as he would then have the day to day issues that crop up when over a 1000 students are in school to add to his workload.
Many teachers including myself have often been preparing two lessons instead of one for each class since September, one for the students in the room and another for the students self isolating (sometimes they match but when the in class lesson is a practical for example this has to be a complete separate set of instructions.)
Yes we might moan about it sometimes in the same way everyone moans about their job sometimes but we have done everything asked of us during this pandemic. We have put in extra work already for the benefit of our students, adjusted to new systems, taught without masks in rooms with inadequate ventilation, (my room is a great teaching lab but only 3 of the 8 windows actually open and then only by a couple of inches, two of which have to be propped open with blocks of wood.
Saying extend the terms would have merit only if lessons were suspended.
Lastly students need breaks too. Our students have worked incredibly hard this last year. I have been incredibly impressed with the resilience and fortitude they have shown, and the efforts they have made to catch up. Believe me, by Christmas it was not just the teachers that were exhausted, the students were shattered and desperately needed the break. Extended the school year would not have a commensurate effect on their learning as their exhaustion would dramatically reduce any effectiveness, not something ever considered in the argument to punish so called "lazy" teachers.
If extra time is needed then it should be put into the start of the next academic year. A mid August start would allow a reasonable length of term to recuperate and if the government had any level of forward thinking they could look at using this as an opportunity to introduce the long touted 4 term year. Unfortunately we don't have any level of forward thinking in the most ignorant and incompetent education secretary to have held the position in the 30 years I have been teaching.
Anyway, back to the marking.
A great insight that, into how much pressure “lazy teachers“ are under during these stressful times, very enlightening for the majority on here who will have scant knowledge of the teaching profession.
 
Schools are a breeding ground for bacteria.
For years I always sanitised my hands when leaving the school premises because most kids do not use tissues to blow/wipe their noses.
 
Like many a professional you will find

Teaching is still taking place. Apart from Monday which has been changed to an INSET to try to work out what the hell we are supposed to be doing after Gavin Williamson's inept comments and so called guidance.
My Headteacher was working on Track and Trace effectively doing Sercos job but doing it right till 8 o clock on Christmas Eve after an influx of new cases. He had Christmas Day and Boxing Day off and then started up again trying to make some semblance of sense to the Government's directives. I have watched a brilliant leader age what seems like ten years over the last year and know he wonders how much longer he can go on. He works most days in the holidays anyway so extending the terms would not free up any extra time, actually reduce his time as he would then have the day to day issues that crop up when over a 1000 students are in school to add to his workload.
Many teachers including myself have often been preparing two lessons instead of one for each class since September, one for the students in the room and another for the students self isolating (sometimes they match but when the in class lesson is a practical for example this has to be a complete separate set of instructions.)
Yes we might moan about it sometimes in the same way everyone moans about their job sometimes but we have done everything asked of us during this pandemic. We have put in extra work already for the benefit of our students, adjusted to new systems, taught without masks in rooms with inadequate ventilation, (my room is a great teaching lab but only 3 of the 8 windows actually open and then only by a couple of inches, two of which have to be propped open with blocks of wood.
Saying extend the terms would have merit only if lessons were suspended.
Lastly students need breaks too. Our students have worked incredibly hard this last year. I have been incredibly impressed with the resilience and fortitude they have shown, and the efforts they have made to catch up. Believe me, by Christmas it was not just the teachers that were exhausted, the students were shattered and desperately needed the break. Extended the school year would not have a commensurate effect on their learning as their exhaustion would dramatically reduce any effectiveness, not something ever considered in the argument to punish so called "lazy" teachers.
If extra time is needed then it should be put into the start of the next academic year. A mid August start would allow a reasonable length of term to recuperate and if the government had any level of forward thinking they could look at using this as an opportunity to introduce the long touted 4 term year. Unfortunately we don't have any level of forward thinking in the most ignorant and incompetent education secretary to have held the position in the 30 years I have been teaching.
Anyway, back to the marking.

What a fantastic post!

A fitting riposte to anyone that casually dismisses teachers as `awkward` or `lazy`.

I know half a dozen teachers who, like you, have worked diligently through this pandemic and you all should be shown respect and gratitude.

Glad to see most posters appreciate your efforts...
 
Like most public sector roles teaching has gone from being a relatively comfortable "job for life" to being screwed to the floor until morale is rock bottom. Teachers have my upmost respect, it's not great pay for the responsibility, the hours are very long, the "holidays" spent working and they often undertake extra out of hours duties to run sports teams etc and that opinion is formed by witnessing them first hand when my son was at school.
A mate of mine is a head of geography at a large school in Bolton and feels it's not a safe environment with many colleagues becoming ill and a couple having long covid, consequently I think the unions have every right to protect their members. It would disappoint me if the public perceives this as being awkward and if that's the case it's a classic divide and rule victory for the govt.
 
Cat I’ve no experience of teaching. What would the 4 term scenario look like?
Have they said how that would break down month wise and term size?
Would it be 4 x 11 week terms and 8 weeks holiday across the year?
Sort of. In some ways the 4 term is a bit of a misnomer and it may be better to think of it as 8 half terms of between 4-6 weeks with either a 1 week or two week break after each one. It has to have flexibility to work around Christmas which obviously is a fixed calendar event and Easter which is not. The legal requirement for schools to be open is 39 weeks with 5 mandatory inset days included. You still have a four week break in the summer.
 
They get 12 weeks off a year and still want more. Here in Oz they are the first to get days off if it's too hot, too cold, too wet, too.....you get the picture.

Mind you, the way the little darlings are brought up these days, there's NO way I'd become a teacher - I'd kill half the class by Friday....
 
"it's not great pay for the responsibility, the hours are very long, the "holidays" spent working"....




Is that what they've told you? It must be a different job altogether there then in the UK.
 
Bizarre.....I must have a word with the teachers in Australia and tell them to pull their fingers out...
 
Nah, only what I've experienced in nearly 60 years of life..
Perhaps you could become a teacher Bob, sounds like a piece of piss there in Oz and I am sure the kids would love to hear about all that experience you have learned in the last 60 years. And you would get 12 weeks paid holiday a year! It will be just like being retired except that you get paid a wage for it. Why not give it a go?
 
Well my missus like most other teachers has spent a fair amount of time working as they prepare for various scenarios - she's upstairs now plugging away at alternative options depending whether she has a full class tomorrow or just the children of key workers and the rest online

That follows on from 12 hrs yesterday

Meanwhile Boris assures us all that the schools are safe - completely missing the point that it's the impact on transmissions that's the concern for most
 
Well my missus like most other teachers has spent a fair amount of time working as they prepare for various scenarios - she's upstairs now plugging away at alternative options depending whether she has a full class tomorrow or just the children of key workers and the rest online

That follows on from 12 hrs yesterday

Meanwhile Boris assures us all that the schools are safe - completely missing the point that it's the impact on transmissions that's the concern for most
How has she settled in on her first term?
 
The virus is out of control. Nobody wants schools to close.
However the statistics suggest that the infection rate will not decrease if schools are open.
Therefore the government should act now rather than later.

 
Therefore the government should act now rather than later.
Therein lies the problem on a number of issues over the entire pandemic time frame.
They were tough on the regions but gave the SE a wide berth-now look at the mess that has caused for instance.
 
About 8 primary schools in Hartlepool announced a closed tomorrow as a result of not having enough staff. It's a small number given the size of the sector but it seems odd that they all make the announcement at the same time for the same reason.
 
The fact remains the biggest reason they want to keep the kids at school is to keep most parents at work. You know as well as I do the economy is the driving force behind the government.
Surely following the science is what they're doing? 😂😂
 
Just had a look at what the schools are saying.

Teachers taking unilateral action on the advice of their Unions.

This will end up in court, be interesting to see how the courts view it.

Nowt to do with the EU anymore either, so could be a first test for our new find sovereignty!
 
They get 12 weeks off a year and still want more. Here in Oz they are the first to get days off if it's too hot, too cold, too wet, too.....you get the picture.

Mind you, the way the little darlings are brought up these days, there's NO way I'd become a teacher - I'd kill half the class by Friday....

A bit harsh that Bob, it would seem that the AVFTT teachers are expected to mark the work of their pupils.
 
Perhaps you could become a teacher Bob, sounds like a piece of piss there in Oz and I am sure the kids would love to hear about all that experience you have learned in the last 60 years. And you would get 12 weeks paid holiday a year! It will be just like being retired except that you get paid a wage for it. Why not give it a go?
As I stated earlier, although I might comment on their 'workload' I wouldn't take on the job today as the little darlings have no respect or discipline - I'd end up on assault charges within a day!
 
As I stated earlier, although I might comment on their 'workload' I wouldn't take on the job today as the little darlings have no respect or discipline - I'd end up on assault charges within a day!
It’s bullshit Bob
Take it from one who was always skeptical
My missus was falling asleep at the meal table tonight after the weekend she’s had and still has prep to work on for tomorrow
 
Not really an issue now?
Full shut down. Time to dust off your remote learning skills Cat
Spent todays inset going over remote lessons again. This time we will have live input every lesson which is a completely new skill and all students expected to attend each lesson. Spent time planning for those lessons which takes a lot longer to structure than normal though I imagine that will decrease ever get into the rhythm of it.
More emphasis on the protocols to ensure safeguarding than delivery . My first two lessons tomorrow are both year 11 classes who now have been told GCSE's are cancelled. ( That is not a complaint by the way as it is the inevitable consequence of another lockdown ) but it will be interesting to see how they approach the work.
 
Spent todays inset going over remote lessons again. This time we will have live input every lesson which is a completely new skill and all students expected to attend each lesson. Spent time planning for those lessons which takes a lot longer to structure than normal though I imagine that will decrease ever get into the rhythm of it.
More emphasis on the protocols to ensure safeguarding than delivery . My first two lessons tomorrow are both year 11 classes who now have been told GCSE's are cancelled. ( That is not a complaint by the way as it is the inevitable consequence of another lockdown ) but it will be interesting to see how they approach the work.
Cat, do any of your pupils have issues of access to internet/pc's?
 
Spent todays inset going over remote lessons again. This time we will have live input every lesson which is a completely new skill and all students expected to attend each lesson. Spent time planning for those lessons which takes a lot longer to structure than normal though I imagine that will decrease ever get into the rhythm of it.
More emphasis on the protocols to ensure safeguarding than delivery . My first two lessons tomorrow are both year 11 classes who now have been told GCSE's are cancelled. ( That is not a complaint by the way as it is the inevitable consequence of another lockdown ) but it will be interesting to see how they approach the work.
Yeah just talking on the phone to my friends fiancé. She’s in her first year as a teacher proper and she said that it must have been easy last year as a teacher compared to this one 😂
I hope all children can get live access to the lessons
 
Cat, do any of your pupils have issues of access to internet/pc's?
All the students we know in that position have been issued with Chromebooks back in September when we thought blended learning might be needed. Those without internet access will be invited into our hub with our vulnerable students. There may be the odd student that has slipped through the preparatory net but hopefully they would be picked up within a couple of days of a lack of engagement.
It is also true to say that while we do have a number of students who live in very difficult circumstances I'm well aware that that number will be small compared to many schools in places such as Blackpool, so our problems in this regard will be so much more manageable.
 
Looks like cat was right after all.
One day after saying schools are safe, the pm has closed all schools.
All of the effort put into arranging testing systems in schools is wasted.
Who, amongst Cat's many critics, has enough compassion to admit that he was right all along?
Just to add, we have just sent 3m children to school for one day to mix with each other before declaring schools as vectors of transmission.
That is a big mistake, if there was any doubt surely better to wait and see by postponing the start of term.
 
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