Scotland going total lockdown

But unless/until we have mass lockdown with all schools closed completely, workers who can't wfh being re-furloughed, professional sport stopped, amateur sport and leisure activities stopped and exercise limited to 'an hour per day' then is it really the same?

One things for sure. It was a lot more fun when the sun was shining...
 
straightatthewall said:
But unless/until we have mass lockdown with all schools closed completely, workers who can't wfh being re-furloughed, professional sport stopped, amateur sport and leisure activities stopped and exercise limited to 'an hour per day' then is it really the same?

One things for sure. It was a lot more fun when the sun was shining...
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Oh I don't know, it's quite fun becoming a crazy hermit.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Why are they going into total lockdown?
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Fuck knows why are they keeping under 11 off school when it's being proven they ain't spreaders and rarely fall ill.
Got to hand it to the poisoned dwarf she does allways gazump Boris on her announcements same day check and in the afternoon check.
No wonder she doesn't get to see the SAGE minutes till later after going behind BJ's back.
 
poolseasider said:
Fuck knows why are they keeping under 11 off school when it's being proven they ain't spreaders and rarely fall ill.
Got to hand it to the poisoned dwarf she does allways gazump Boris on her announcements same day check and in the afternoon check.
No wonder she doesn't get to see the SAGE minutes till later after going behind BJ's back.
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It hasn't been proven at all although evidence is contradictory and a bit sketchy.
She's also not going behind his back. She has responsibility under devolved powers. She has pretty much always made announcements in the early afternoon.
Just to add. They are studying the new variant to see if transmission amongst kids is increasing.
 
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Ah... I notice having read up on this that they haven't actually implemented a total lockdown at all....
 
If you can’t work from home you are allowed to travel to work. If you haven’t got a car then you can use public transport. Hardly a total lockdown especially as you can still shop once a week and go out for exercise.
 
What they should do is put a curfew on everyone that they must stay outdoors between the hours of 8:00 am and 8:00 pm.
 
Leither said:
Because she's sick and tired of waiting for that idiot in No.10 to decide what his next crazy plan is.

Closing schools is clearly the right thing to do so she has done it.

He'll probably follow suit in a few weeks as usual.
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You mean do the opposite of what Boris does to promote her single policy of independence even though per head Scotland has a higher death rate yet a much lower people density.
www.google.co.uk

Nicola Sturgeon defends Covid death rate that is higher in Scotland than England

There were 50.5 deaths per million in Scotland in the week up to 15 November, compared to 40.6 in England
www.google.co.uk
 
Bob Hatton said:
You mean do the opposite of what Boris does to promote her single policy of independence even though per head Scotland has a higher death rate yet a much lower people density.
www.google.co.uk

Nicola Sturgeon defends Covid death rate that is higher in Scotland than England

There were 50.5 deaths per million in Scotland in the week up to 15 November, compared to 40.6 in England
www.google.co.uk
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Yeah it was for those two weeks but not for the other nine months !!

The overall figures in Scotland have always been lower than England throughout and still are . . and yes a lot has to do with the population density but it's also down to her clear message and prompt action.
 
Leither said:
Yeah it was for those two weeks but not for the other nine months !!

The overall figures in Scotland have always been lower than England throughout and still are . . and yes a lot has to do with the population density but it's also down to her clear message and prompt action.
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Apart from care homes, where the Scottish death rate is higher I believe.
 
Leither said:
Yeah it was for those two weeks but not for the other nine months !!

The overall figures in Scotland have always been lower than England throughout and still are . . and yes a lot has to do with the population density but it's also down to her clear message and prompt ac
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she only has one message and that is independence from the rest of the UK - she has and will continue to use the pandemic as a tool to bludgeon the Scottish voters with to further promote this message. She will sacrifice anything to further that dream and as for her clear and prompt message - dont make me laugh, he only message is the opposite of Boris and to undermine the UK
www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Scots slam Nicola Sturgeon's handling of pandemic ahead of two week lockdown

In our survey, Daily Record readers revealed they think restrictions have gone far enough but the pandemic should have been handled better.
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Bob Hatton said:
she only has one message and that is independence from the rest of the UK - she has and will continue to use the pandemic as a tool to bludgeon the Scottish voters with to further promote this message. She will sacrifice anything to further that dream and as for her clear and prompt message - dont make me laugh, he only message is the opposite of Boris and to undermine the UK
www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Scots slam Nicola Sturgeon's handling of pandemic ahead of two week lockdown

In our survey, Daily Record readers revealed they think restrictions have gone far enough but the pandemic should have been handled better.
www.dailyrecord.co.uk www.dailyrecord.co.uk
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Yes she has regularly done the opposite to Boris because he pretty much always gets it wrong . . . why would she copy something she didn't believe was the right call?

I was wearing a facemask in my local Edinburgh supermarket when Boris was still saying it makes no difference. Two weeks later it was compulsory in England too.

Same for the second and third lock down.

Same for schools closing.

Now it looks like the same for exams.

Throughout this shambles he has got pretty much every decision wrong. I'm not saying she's perfect . . far from it . . and her independence agenda certainly does get in the way of their policies and attention to the important issues - particularly health & education. But the way she has dealt with the pandemic has been far better . . . a recent poll suggested that 75% of the population were happy with the way she has handled the situation. If the same poll was given to the English public about Boris I'm sure the vast majority would just laugh.
 
Leither said:
Yes she has regularly done the opposite to Boris because he pretty much always gets it wrong . . . why would she copy something she didn't believe was the right call?

I was wearing a facemask in my local Edinburgh supermarket when Boris was still saying it makes no difference. Two weeks later it was compulsory in England too.

Same for the second and third lock down.

Same for schools closing.

Now it looks like the same for exams.

Throughout this shambles he has got pretty much every decision wrong. I'm not saying she's perfect . . far from it . . and her independence agenda certainly does get in the way of their policies and attention to the important issues - particularly health & education. But the way she has dealt with the pandemic has been far better . . . a recent poll suggested that 75% of the population were happy with the way she has handled the situation. If the same poll was given to the English public about Boris I'm sure the vast majority would just laugh.
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Not defending Boris as he has got a lot wrong and I feel needs to apologise to everyone for those mistakes but he also has got a lot right that he gets no credit for. He cant win for whatever he does the left wing and all of Scotland and Wales will say its wrong even if its not. He is trying to balance the economy and covid whilst the devolved governments will always get the revenue from the UK and have an easy target to blame. He simply cant win whereas she can whip up the scots with some nationalist rhetoric and then blame Boris when it goes wrong.
 
It's total nonsense to say Boris can't win. Most reasonable people understand that this situation is not normal and evolves. But we can also see the multiple u-turns and total lack of decisive leadership for what it is. He's been woefully lacking, because he's all about personality and not detail. That's why he keeps getting wheeled out to make pre-written statements to camera and hidden away again or is supported by 'the scientists' when people actually ask him questions. It took minutes for Andrew Marr to show him up the other day and what followed was another u-turn on something that looked pretty obvious to all.
This is the prime minister, not a candidate on The Apprentice.
 
Nicola has had the temerity today to state that Trump will not be allowed into Scotland if he decides to fly into Prestwick on 19th January to avoid Biden’s inauguration. She might well be expressing an opinion held by a majority of her fellow Scots, but she is getting a little too big for her boots.

The control of borders and who is allowed into the UK is the prerogative of the Westminster government and specifically the Home Secretary. It is not a responsibility devolved to Sturgeon or the parliament in Edinburgh. Even though Sturgeon might ask her police to refuse him permission to leave the airport.

It would be good if someone put her in her place, but that might mean Priti Patel having to either support the visit of Trump or, alternatively, find herself refusing entry for The Donald. What a dilemma... Trump possibly knocking over two birds with one stone. Most amusing.
 
Bob Hatton said:
Not defending Boris as he has got a lot wrong and I feel needs to apologise to everyone for those mistakes but he also has got a lot right that he gets no credit for. He cant win for whatever he does the left wing and all of Scotland and Wales will say its wrong even if its not. He is trying to balance the economy and covid whilst the devolved governments will always get the revenue from the UK and have an easy target to blame. He simply cant win whereas she can whip up the scots with some nationalist rhetoric and then blame Boris when it goes wrong.
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Fair comment that mate and agree with the general sentiment.

Out of interest what do you think he's got right ?

I felt he got a few things right to start with . . . building the Nightingale hospitals at such speed, looking after a big chunk of the workforce through the job retention scheme / bounce back loans, etc. and now getting the vaccine on stream so quickly.
 
Nicola has told Donald not to bother coming over next week to play golf, as he is planning. "Not essential travel".
 
Archibald Knox said:
Nicola has had the temerity today to state that Trump will not be allowed into Scotland if he decides to fly into Prestwick on 19th January to avoid Biden’s inauguration. She might well be expressing an opinion held by a majority of her fellow Scots, but she is getting a little too big for her boots.

The control of borders and who is allowed into the UK is the prerogative of the Westminster government and specifically the Home Secretary. It is not a responsibility devolved to Sturgeon or the parliament in Edinburgh. Even though Sturgeon might ask her police to refuse him permission to leave the airport.

It would be good if someone put her in her place, but that might mean Priti Patel having to either support the visit of Trump or, alternatively, find herself refusing entry for The Donald. What a dilemma... Trump possibly knocking over two birds with one stone. Most amusing.
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I'm sure you know Border Law better than I, but no one is allowed across the England / Scotland border except for essential reasons, within the competence of the devolved parliament. Again, the Scottish Government can and has run its own list of permitted and forbidden air links. It seems a very short step to stopping someone not coming in for anything like essential reasons. In fact, the mood of this board is that we should be stopping the vast majority of air travel into the UK.

As for putting her in her place, sounds a bit little Englander, that. She is the elected leader of a devolved Parliament, who currently commands a lot more support for her reaction to Covid from her electorate than Boris does from the UK. Slag her off on Education, health, drugs, and I stand alongside you, but on Covid, she is generally ahead of the curve.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Is there actually any legislation at all that restricts people travelling within the UK?
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The Scottish Government have certainly been upfront from 26th December that it is a legal requirement not guidance, and recalled Parliament to confirm it, couldn't quote you chapter and verse
 
Tangerinemoss said:
The Scottish Government have certainly been upfront from 26th December that it is a legal requirement not guidance, and recalled Parliament to confirm it, couldn't quote you chapter and verse
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There doesn't appear to be any evidence of a change in the legislation and I'm not even sure the Scottish Government would have the power to legally restrict movement from country to country would they?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
As for putting her in her place, sounds a bit little Englander, that. She is the elected leader of a devolved Parliament, who currently commands a lot more support for her reaction to Covid from her electorate than Boris does from the UK. Slag her off on Education, health, drugs, and I stand alongside you, but on Covid, she is generally ahead of the curve.
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Agree entirely with this paragraph.

Sturgeon is very poor on health, education and especially the country`s massive drug problem, but her Covid strategy has been immeasurably more coherent than Johnson`s `prevaricate then panic` modus operandi...
 
spudgun said:
Agree entirely with this paragraph.

Sturgeon is very poor on health, education and especially the country`s massive drug problem, but her Covid strategy has been immeasurably more coherent than Johnson`s `prevaricate then panic` modus operandi...
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Her Covid Strategy hasn't materially differed from the Government strategy and it certainly hasn't been more advantageous at all. In fact on occasion. shes let her desperation to be that little bit different, get in the way of good judgement. She's a better communicator, in the circumstances, though and that can make a big difference as to how people percieve her . Her messaging is more concise / clear and she doesn't tend to waffle or make silly promises like Boris.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Her Covid Strategy hasn't materially differed from the Government strategy and it certainly hasn't been more advantageous at all. In fact on occasion. shes let her desperation to be that little bit different, get in the way of good judgement. She's a better communicator, in the circumstances, though and that can make a big difference as to how people percieve her . Her messaging is more concise / clear and she doesn't tend to waffle or make silly promises like Boris.
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Yep, that`s probably a fair summation.

It is the coherence of the communication of the message I was trying to allude to; there has been so many strategies over the last year that I cannot remember half of Johnson`s, never mind what has been happening in Scotland.

But whenever I have listened to her, she is clear and concise, and that counts for a lot.

Johnson`s blathering often leaves you non the wiser - which is possibly his intention much of the time...
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
There doesn't appear to be any evidence of a change in the legislation and I'm not even sure the Scottish Government would have the power to legally restrict movement from country to country would they?
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As there is legislation to forbid travel between different council areas, the answer has to be yes.
 
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