Secret cross party talks held about Brexit issues

[Malced]

Yes I accept that.
The current food shortages will have multiple causes (including weather conditions etc), but one of the factors in the current situation is that it is now harder to import food into our country because of Brexit. Here is an article with a quote from the CEO of Sainsbury's that says exactly that;

Food shortages: Carrots, leeks and cabbages could run low of supermarkets in weeks

Growers also warn British-grown leek supplies could be exhausted by April

www.independent.co.uk

So the CEO of one of the biggest UK supermarket chains thinks that Brexit is a factor in the current situation. Is it really unfair for members of the public to blame Brexit for these food shortages when the CEO of a massive supermarket chain is saying the same thing?

Each issue can be debated on its merits. Its the carte blanche blaming of Brexit that I don't subscribe to. As you will well know, many big corporations were against Brexit for various reasons including access to cheap Labour and maintaining their monopoly as such over medium/smaller businesses. There are heads of companies with their own political views. Just because a CEO says something it doesn't make it so.

Workforce shortages in the UK are Brexit. Workforce shortages across Europe aren't Brexit it seems. Go figure. That's the sort of ideologically blinkered nonsense I'll call out. And when I do call it out, the only comment is to suggest that it might be because it's Brexit in the UK but in Europe it's because a huge swathe of the working population has gone to lie on the beaches of the Algarve. It really is laughable. I've made it clear that I acknowledge there's downsides to everything but equally I'm not blinkered to an extreme position that Brexit is the cause of all the UK's problems when the very same problems e.g. supply chain, workforce issues, etc are seen across the world.

There are upsides to everything too. There's also contradictions. You will be aware that importing food has a huge CO2 impact. Yet there will be anti-Brexit avocado lovers. There's a strong environmental case to change how things have been operating for a greener alternative. Nations growing their own is one way to reduce CO2. We've become accustomed to plentiful supplies of all exotic fruits and vegetables. I'm not including tomatoes in that by the way, but maybe I should as we seem to import many types from many countries. A lot of this is unnecessary and bad for the environment.

Countries have to import certain staple foods and other essentials. But we've arguably gone too far. We shouldn't keep importing everything for the titillation of the middle-class when its helping to blight the lives of the poor across the world due to flooding, drought and so on.

 

[seasideone]

Each issue can be debated on its merits. Its the carte blanche blaming of Brexit that I don't subscribe to. As you will well know, many big corporations were against Brexit for various reasons including access to cheap Labour and maintaining their monopoly as such over medium/smaller businesses. There are heads of companies with their own political views. Just because a CEO says something it doesn't make it so.

Workforce shortages in the UK are Brexit. Workforce shortages across Europe aren't Brexit it seems. Go figure. That's the sort of ideologically blinkered nonsense I'll call out. And when I do call it out, the only comment is to suggest that it might be because it's Brexit in the UK but in Europe it's because a huge swathe of the working population has gone to lie on the beaches of the Algarve. It really is laughable. I've made it clear that I acknowledge there's downsides to everything but equally I'm not blinkered to an extreme position that Brexit is the cause of all the UK's problems when the very same problems e.g. supply chain, workforce issues, etc are seen across the world.

Brexit obviously isn’t to blame for everything.

However on balance I am more likely to believe the CEO of Sainsbury’s over people on here who have an opinion on everything.

I am also still waiting for any Brexiteer to respond to my earlier post about why Brexit will never work and what a failed Brexit looks like to them - because the reality for me is it has failed miserably.

 

[Malced]

Brexit obviously isn’t to blame for everything.

However on balance I am more likely to believe the CEO of Sainsbury’s over people on here who have an opinion on everything.

I am also still waiting for any Brexiteer to respond to my earlier post about why Brexit will never work and what a failed Brexit looks like to them - because the reality for me is it has failed miserably.

It's good to see that there's a selective belief of rich businessmen when it suits. Every port in a storm.

 

[seasideone]

It's good to see that there's a selective belief of rich businessmen when it suits. Every port in a storm.

What you on about?

Anyway, can you answer the questions I presented earlier that no other brexiteer can?

 

[Malced]

What you on about?

Anyway, can you answer the questions I presented earlier that no other brexiteer can?

I'm on about those who bemoan big businesses, the rich, the cronies, the shareholders, the ones in power, the privileged. But then want to hang on their every word (when it suits).

Its the same with those who said Cummings was a liar and yet suddenly believed every word he said once he'd left Government.

I'm not getting into a debate about Brexit in the round. There's upsides and downsides. There's issues which are nothing to do with Brexit, partly exacerbated by Brexit to varying degrees, and solely caused by Brexit. There's the immediate impacts/benefits, there's the medium-term and there's the long-term. Evaluating Brexit is incredibly complex. There's hard benefits and soft benefits. It's not all a numbers game.

I've no problem with accepting that there's downsides with Brexit. But too often we see all things blamed on Brexit. It's boring.

 

[Malced]

I'm on about those who bemoan big businesses, the rich, the cronies, the shareholders, the ones in power, the privileged. But then want to hang on their every word (when it suits).

Its the same with those who said Cummings was a liar and yet suddenly believed every word he said once he'd left Government.

I'm not getting into a debate about Brexit in the round. There's upsides and downsides. There's issues which are nothing to do with Brexit, partly exacerbated by Brexit to varying degrees, and solely caused by Brexit. There's the immediate impacts/benefits, there's the medium-term and there's the long-term. Evaluating Brexit is incredibly complex. There's hard benefits and soft benefits. It's not all a numbers game.

I've no problem with accepting that there's downsides with Brexit. But too often we see all things blamed on Brexit. It's boring.

ps I'm not a Brexiteer

 

[seasideone]

I'm on about those who bemoan big businesses, the rich, the cronies, the shareholders, the ones in power, the privileged. But then want to hang on their every word (when it suits).

Its the same with those who said Cummings was a liar and yet suddenly believed every word he said once he'd left Government.

I'm not getting into a debate about Brexit in the round. There's upsides and downsides. There's issues which are nothing to do with Brexit, partly exacerbated by Brexit to varying degrees, and solely caused by Brexit. There's the immediate impacts/benefits, there's the medium-term and there's the long-term. Evaluating Brexit is incredibly complex. There's hard benefits and soft benefits. It's not all a numbers game.

I've no problem with accepting that there's downsides with Brexit. But too often we see all things blamed on Brexit. It's boring.

I have never blamed everything on brexit, what I have said it’s failed and that we need to recognise that.

I also said it would never work and nobody has come back at me at all about that - strangely for here.

I also said I prefer the voice of a CEO who should know what he is talking about against people on here.

 

[Malced]

I have never blamed everything on brexit, what I have said it’s failed and that we need to recognise that.

I also said it would never work and nobody has come back at me at all about that - strangely for here.

I also said I prefer the voice of a CEO who should know what he is talking about against people on here.

I admire your faith in a CEO. Call me cynical but I don't trust that a CEO (of a for-profit organisation) is acting or speaking in the main interest of the person on the street (formerly known as 'man on the street').

Rather, I suggest, the CEO just might be acting/speaking out of self-interest, and/or the interest of the company shareholders.

 

[seasideone]

I admire your faith in a CEO. Call me cynical but I don't trust that CEO is acting or speaking in the main interest of the person on the street (formerly known as 'man on the street').

Rather, I suggest, the CEO just might be acting/speaking out of self-interest, and/or the interest of the company shareholders.

I stand by what I said - I would rather listen to the CEO of Sainsbury’s than people unqualified on here.

Anyway a CEO of a listed company cannot just spout drivel as that gets them in trouble if it has an effect on the share price.

What a CEO of a large company normally says is quite measured otherwise they don’t last very long!

 

[Malced]

I stand by what I said - I would rather listen to the CEO of Sainsbury’s than people unqualified on here.

Anyway a CEO of a listed company cannot just spout drivel as that gets them in trouble if it has an effect on the share price.

What a CEO of a large company normally says is quite measured otherwise they don’t last very long!

You're entitled to your opinion. I differ in mine to some extent.

I don't see how you can say Brexit 'has failed'. It's not as definitive as that - so it's not like a car engine that blows up. The car may be running sluggishly, or even in reverse if you like. Undoubtedly there's issues. For any person that says it's failed, there'll be others who will say the opposite. The reality will be somewhere in between.

I'm sure I've stated on here before that I wasn't much bothered about Brexit either way as I could see both sides to the argument. I knew we'd get on with it and play the hand we we're dealt with. So I'm very much now in the space of making the best of it. We can make a lot better of it as we unpick the old ways and introduce the new. There's still so much more to do. There has been resistance from the EU which was inevitable. But hopefully, over time, they'll be increasingly co-operative.

 

[seasideone]

You're entitled to your opinion. I differ in mine to some extent.

I don't see how you can say Brexit 'has failed'. It's not as definitive as that - so it's not like a car engine that blows up. The car may be running sluggishly, or even in reverse if you like. Undoubtedly there's issues. For any person that says it's failed, there'll be others who will say the opposite. The reality will be somewhere in between.

I'm sure I've stated on here before that I wasn't much bothered about Brexit either way as I could see both sides to the argument. I knew we'd get on with it and play the hand we were dealt with. So I'm very much now in the space of making the best of it. We can make a lot better of it as we unpick the old ways and introduce the new. There's still so much more to do. There has been resistance from the EU which was inevitable. But hopefully, over time, they'll be increasingly co-operative.

I like the analogy ‘a car engine blowing up’ because that’s exactly how I see it.

Anyway, I was of the opinion we should make the best we can after the vote but for me, we need to rejoin the EU as soon as possible now and make the best of it.

….because as I have illustrated earlier - Brexit will not and cannot ever work.

Happy to end this here as we we don’t agree, and I respect everyone’s (well not everyone’s) views

 

[Mexboroseasider]

You're entitled to your opinion. I differ in mine to some extent.

I don't see how you can say Brexit 'has failed'. It's not as definitive as that - so it's not like a car engine that blows up. The car may be running sluggishly, or even in reverse if you like. Undoubtedly there's issues. For any person that says it's failed, there'll be others who will say the opposite. The reality will be somewhere in between.

I'm sure I've stated on here before that I wasn't much bothered about Brexit either way as I could see both sides to the argument. I knew we'd get on with it and play the hand we were dealt with. So I'm very much now in the space of making the best of it. We can make a lot better of it as we unpick the old ways and introduce the new. There's still so much more to do. There has been resistance from the EU which was inevitable. But hopefully, over time, they'll be increasingly co-operative.

at the thought that a car which can only run in reverse is not a failure.

I’d be delighted if I splashed out on a car that could only run in reverse. And really impressed if the salesman responded to my complaint by saying “Yes sir. I understand you’re not happy. But I don’t think it’s fair to say the car is a failure. I mean you can still drive it”.

 

[Malced]

at the thought that a car which can only run in reverse is not a failure.

I’d be delighted if I splashed out on a car that could only run in reverse. And really impressed if the salesman responded to my complaint by saying “Yes sir. I understand you’re not happy. But I don’t think it’s fair to say the car is a failure. I mean you can still drive it”.

Thanks for so wonderfully demonstrating the bias I have referred to throughout.

No one said a car would only run in reverse. I said sluggishly, or to stand in the shoes of those that think Brexit has failed I said perhaps reverse.

You might have heard of having to take a step back to go forwards. The disruption from Brexit, is not a constant, and will only reduce as the car moves forward.

Anyways my post with the car analogy is there for all to see. Whilst your reply is amusing, it’s plain to see you’ve jumped on one aspect of it, and used it to suit your own deep seated bias. That’s the sort of bias I’ve been objecting to.

You can be as anti-Brexit as you like but too often, as is the case with yourself, it’s unfair and disingenuous.

 

[BigHandsOliverKahn]

Yes I accept that.
The current food shortages will have multiple causes (including weather conditions etc), but one of the factors in the current situation is that it is now harder to import and grow food in our country because of Brexit. Here is an article with a quote from the CEO of Sainsbury's that says exactly that;

Food shortages: Carrots, leeks and cabbages could run low of supermarkets in weeks

Growers also warn British-grown leek supplies could be exhausted by April

www.independent.co.uk

So the CEO of one of the biggest UK supermarket chains thinks that Brexit is a factor in the current situation. Is it really unfair for members of the public to blame Brexit for these food shortages when the CEO of a massive supermarket chain is saying the same thing?

The problem is, people can't see the all the links in the chain that cause issues.

It's obvious to me that Morocco will protect its main trading partner first and foremost over a small independent country like the UK when produce is restricted.

It's also obvious that where there are already transport issues (ferry delays) and fresh produce is taking longer to transport that you would then favour your customers who haven't deliberately added more red tape delays into the system like Brexit has done.

If people want to believe Brexit isn't strangling every fundamental aspect of our country's functional patterns of working, that's fine but I'll always be happy to point these things out in order to raise awareness and hopefully allow the UK to put itself back in the favourable position it once enjoyed.

 

[RUSTY_2_STANDS]

The problem is, people can't see the all the links in the chain that cause issues.

It's obvious to me that Morocco will protect its main trading partner first and foremost over a small independent country like the UK when produce is restricted.

It's also obvious that where there are already transport issues (ferry delays) and fresh produce is taking longer to transport that you would then favour your customers who haven't deliberately added more red tape delays into the system like Brexit has done.

If people want to believe Brexit isn't strangling every fundamental aspect of our country's functional patterns of working, that's fine but I'll always be happy to point these things out in order to raise awareness and hopefully allow the UK to put itself back in the favourable position it once enjoyed.

You've been proved wrong about the tomatoes but still you persist. Bore off you clown.

 

[BigHandsOliverKahn]

You've been proved wrong about the tomatoes but still you persist. Bore off you clown.

Proved wrong? I was the first to mention the shortages about a week ago and now it's the main headline on national news. Only in the UK though. Just watched German news and no mention of any food rationing there.

 

[RUSTY_2_STANDS]

You

Proved wrong? I was the first to mention the shortages about a week ago and now it's the main headline on national news. Only in the UK though. Just watched German news and no mention of any food rationing there.

You were wrong blaming the tomato shortage on Brexit. But I'm sure you can find a reason to blame
the weather in Morocco on Brexit.
And no doubt you'll gleefully jump on the next bit of bad news and blame it on Brexit.
Anything and everything in an effort to put down the UK. I bet you look outside and blame the rain on Brexit.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

Thanks for so wonderfully demonstrating the bias I have referred to throughout.

No one said a car would only run in reverse. I said sluggishly, or to stand in the shoes of those that think Brexit has failed I said perhaps reverse.

You might have heard of having to take a step back to go forwards. The disruption from Brexit, is not a constant, and will only reduce as the car moves forward.

Anyways my post with the car analogy is there for all to see. Whilst your reply is amusing, it’s plain to see you’ve jumped on one aspect of it, and used it to suit your own deep seated bias. That’s the sort of bias I’ve been objecting to.

You can be as anti-Brexit as you like but too often, as is the case with yourself, it’s unfair and disingenuous.

Thank you for acknowledging my reply was amusing.

But I have to say it was your analogy that suggested Brexit was a bit like a car in reverse.

Could I suggest that next time you’re reversing through Poulton (hopefully with the flow of traffic), at the same time as questioning your passengers whether they avail themselves of food banks, that you ponder briefly whether “THINGS ARE NOT QUITE AS THEY SHOULD BE!!!”

The World’s gone Mad!!!

 

[BigHandsOliverKahn]

You

You were wrong blaming the tomato shortage on Brexit. But I'm sure you can find a reason to blame
the weather in Morocco on Brexit.
And no doubt you'll gleefully jump on the next bit of bad news and blame it on Brexit.
Anything and everything in an effort to put down the UK. I bet you look outside and blame the rain on Brexit.

You still haven't offered an answer as to why shelves are still so full across Europe. The weather in Morocco was the same for all the other European countries. What is so special about the UK that is causing food rationing here?

 

[Malced]

Thank you for acknowledging my reply was amusing.

But I have to say it was your analogy that suggested Brexit was a bit like a car in reverse.

Could I suggest that next time you’re reversing through Poulton (hopefully with the flow of traffic), at the same time as questioning your passengers whether they avail themselves of food banks, that you ponder briefly whether “THINGS ARE NOT QUITE AS THEY SHOULD BE!!!”

The World’s gone Mad!!!

No it’s a fine analogy but you took it and twisted it. No one said the car was stuck in reverse. All cars have a reverse function which comes in handy from time to time and in fact is essential sometimes. Now - pray tell - do you have a pause button?

 

[Mexboroseasider]

No it’s a fine analogy but you took it and twisted it. No one said the car was stuck in reverse. All cars have a reverse function and which comes in handy from time to time and in fact is essential sometimes. Now - pray tell - do you have a pause button?

Ah back pedalling on your analogy at a rate of knots I see.

Backpedaling.

Also known as reverse gear.

Also known as reversing.

Also known as Brexit.

Beep. Beep. Beep. This vehicle is reversing.

 

[Malced]

Ah back pedalling on your analogy at a rate of knots I see.

Backpedaling.

Also known as reverse gear.

Also known as reversing.

Also known as Brexit.

The problem you’ve got with your misrepresentation of what I wrote is that what it wrote remains there for all to see.

The fact it remains there should surely please remainers like yourself. But I suppose in this case it’s showing you up.

Interesting that you’ve fabricated cars being stuck in reverse. Maybe these cars are parked alongside all those aircraft which have been stuck at our airports since Brexit day.

 

[Kurtan]

Its a waste of time trying to get these brexity types to change their mind. They have invested too much into it and to admit it was a major mistake would be too painful.

 

[RUSTY_2_STANDS]

You still haven't offered an answer as to why shelves are still so full across Europe. The weather in Morocco was the same for all the other European countries. What is so special about the UK that is causing food rationing here?

Shelves are still full across Europe. Have you been in every supermarket across Europe? The report said there was a shortage in Ireland. It specifically said it wasn't down to Brexit, but down to weather in Morocco.
It didn't mention any other countries so I don't know about that, but you obviously do.
But the last time I looked, Ireland was in the EU and they had tomato shortages. So how do you explain that? An EU country with shortages. Surely not? That doesn't fit your agenda.

 

[Wizaard]

I've made my reasons for voting leave clear on here and on numerous occasions. So I'm not about to go through all that again. And you're quite correct it wasn't all about trade and short term pain, which I've said all along.
There does appear to be a global shortage of tomatoes, not just here.
And the reason I'm so scornful of the German bloke is his constant whining and negativity, it's not just about something so unimportant as a shortage of tomatoes, it's the way he gleefully jumps on it, as he does on everything in an effort to criticise the UK.
A short term shortage of tomatoes is no big deal. If that's the sort of thing that we'll have to put up with for leaving the EU, then I'll happily accept that.

At one time not that long ago, the Fylde was a major producer of tomatoes. All gone except the odd one or two greenhouse, mainly for housing.

Dirty work for low pay for those picking the things.

 

[Wizaard]

I'm on about those who bemoan big businesses, the rich, the cronies, the shareholders, the ones in power, the privileged. But then want to hang on their every word (when it suits).

Its the same with those who said Cummings was a liar and yet suddenly believed every word he said once he'd left Government.

I'm not getting into a debate about Brexit in the round. There's upsides and downsides. There's issues which are nothing to do with Brexit, partly exacerbated by Brexit to varying degrees, and solely caused by Brexit. There's the immediate impacts/benefits, there's the medium-term and there's the long-term. Evaluating Brexit is incredibly complex. There's hard benefits and soft benefits. It's not all a numbers game.

I've no problem with accepting that there's downsides with Brexit. But too often we see all things blamed on Brexit. It's boring.

Go on then. Name one hard and one soft benefit, because not even Rees Mogg has come up with one yet.

 

[dodgy_surname]

Go on then. Name one hard and one soft benefit, because not even Rees Mogg has come up with one yet.

My little stick of Blackpool rock

 

[Malced]

Hard benefits are trade deals with countries outside of the EU ( initial and future).
A hard benefit is not giving billions to the EU.
Softer benefits are having the ultimate say over our own laws, and the ability to act independently. But these may lead to hard benefits.
Soft benefits eg things which aren’t necessarily tied to pounds and pence are regaining our independence rather than being part of a bigger club in which we are a bit part player.
To be in full control or our own destiny rather than joined at the hip with other countries who effectively and collectively determine how our country evolves. No other country or group of countries should have any influence on how we move forwards. We decide. No one else. That’s priceless.

 

[glasshalffull]

Hard benefits are trade deals with countries outside of the EU ( initial and future).
A hard benefit is not giving billions to the EU.
Softer benefits are having the ultimate say over our own laws, and the ability to act independently. But these may lead to hard benefits.
Soft benefits eg things which aren’t necessarily tied to pounds and pence are regaining our independence rather than being part of a bigger club in which we are a bit part player.
To be in full control or our own destiny rather than joined at the hip with other countries who effectively and collectively determine how our country evolves. No other country or group of countries should have any influence on how we move forwards. We decide. No one else. That’s priceless.

Our politicians already had enough power as it was.
Far better to be an influential player in one of the largest trading blocks in the world than give more powers to our lot who can’t seem to do any useful things but plenty of harmful ones with them and are less able to express any influence on the world as a result.

 

[Tangerinemoss]

That’s priceless

No, it has come at a very high price, loss of trade vastly exceeds our contribution.

 

[Malced]

Our politicians already had enough power as it was.
Far better to be an influential player in one of the largest trading blocks in the world than give more powers to our lot who can’t seem to do any useful things but plenty of harmful ones with them and are less able to express any influence on the world as a result.

I don’t think they did. Nor did our Government of the day think they had sufficient autonomy, so they lobbied the EU time and again but were snubbed. That’s history now. If the EU had been more receptive and cooperative in relation to UK specific concerns, we might well still be in the EU.

 

[BigHandsOliverKahn]

Shelves are still full across Europe. Have you been in every supermarket across Europe? The report said there was a shortage in Ireland. It specifically said it wasn't down to Brexit, but down to weather in Morocco.
It didn't mention any other countries so I don't know about that, but you obviously do.
But the last time I looked, Ireland was in the EU and they had tomato shortages. So how do you explain that? An EU country with shortages. Surely not? That doesn't fit your agenda.

A lot of goods from the EU to Ireland go via the UK so, due to Brexit, there are check points to get through now for such goods entering and exiting the UK so Brexit affects Ireland too. That places cost and time delays to goods. Far easier for the Spanish to sell to countries that aren't restricted by Brexit red tape, especially when goods are perishable and in short supply.

I am sure you already know all this but are pretending not to. Here's some info on that topic.

 

[RUSTY_2_STANDS]

A lot of goods from the EU to Ireland go via the UK so, due to Brexit, there are check points to get through now for such goods entering and exiting the UK so Brexit affects Ireland too. That places cost and time delays to goods. Far easier for the Spanish to sell to countries that aren't restricted by Brexit red tape, especially when goods are perishable and in short supply.

I am sure you already know all this but are pretending not to. Here's some info on that topic.

Yes I'm aware of how the trade works. So there's no need to be so pompous.
Your latest post is based on assumptions from you about the Spanish and isn't based on any fact.
Just like your post about supermarkets in Europe having no shortages. Once again based on
your own assumptions and not based on any fact.
You were wrong about the tomato shortage. It isn't down to Brexit, it's down to the Moroccan weather, as the article clearly stated.
Now you're desperately scrambling around making baseless assumptions to try and prove your point. As you always do with you constant criticism of the UK
Stop being so arrogant and admit you were wrong.

 

[BigHandsOliverKahn]

Yes I'm aware of how the trade works. So there's no need to be so pompous.
Your latest post is based on assumptions from you about the Spanish and isn't based on any fact
Just like your post about supermarkets in Europe having no shortages. Once again based on
your own assumptions and not based on any fact.
You were wrong about the tomato shortage. It isn't down to Brexit, it's down to the Moroccan weather, as the article clearly stated.
But you're scrambling around making baseless assumptions to try and prove your point. As you always do with you constant criticism of the UK
Stop being so arrogant and admit you were wrong.

Not true, my tip off came from a Tesco employee 11 days ago. They also said, after Spain, they were struggling to get things from their Plan B which was Egypt.

It looks like Brexit, with all the extra bureaucratic cost in money and time delays, has made it impossible to buy fresh food when the price of that food increases whereas EU countries without any additional self-imposed costs, are able to better cope with any price increase of those goods.

These kind of incidents are useful in highlighting what a stupid decision we made to hinder our country. It needs reversing because it's causing damage across all industries, not just food, to some degree or other.

 

[RUSTY_2_STANDS]

'my tip off came from a Tesco employee'
Increasingly desperate.

 

[RUSTY_2_STANDS]

At one time not that long ago, the Fylde was a major producer of tomatoes. All gone except the odd one or two greenhouse, mainly for housing.

Dirty work for low pay for those picking the things.

I worked for Kershaws on Holts Lane for a few months after leaving school, until I'd finished my o levels.
Dirty work indeed.
And don't get me started on all the new housing developments swamping the countryside. Criminal

 

[poolseasider]

At one time not that long ago, the Fylde was a major producer of tomatoes. All gone except the odd one or two greenhouse, mainly for housing.

Dirty work for low pay for those picking the things.

How do you expect to grow Tomatoes in February on the Fylde coast.

'my tip off came from a Tesco employee'
Increasingly desperate.

It was an Asparagus Tip.

 

[glasshalffull]

I don’t think they did. Nor did our Government of the day think they had sufficient autonomy, so they lobbied the EU time and again but were snubbed. That’s history now. If the EU had been more receptive and cooperative in relation to UK specific concerns, we might well still be in the EU.

You are right it is history now and there will be no going back I would imagine, and certainly not on the advantageous terms that we had then.
Only about 25% of out politicians supported Brexit at the time, so presumably most thought they had enough power already, and we actually had quite a privileged position within in the EU with our opt outs and concessions, as well as being outside of the Eurozone and Schengen Area.

 

[Malced]

Interestingly there’s a new article just been published on the Sky News app/website about the shortage of tomatoes.

It refers to the weather abroad and the fact that UK growers have delayed production this year due to the high energy costs and other higher costs.

There’s no mention of Brexit whatsoever and it’s quite a lengthy article.

 

[Wizaard]

How do you expect to grow Tomatoes in February on the Fylde coast.

It was an Asparagus Tip.

Greenhouses. The Moss used to be covered in them.

 

[Wizaard]

I worked for Kershaws on Holts Lane for a few months after leaving school, until I'd finished my o levels.
Dirty work indeed.
And don't get me started on all the new housing developments swamping the countryside. Criminal

I worked a couple of summers at Kershaws too. The green sap was a bastard to get off.

 

[poolseasider]

Greenhouses. The Moss used to be covered in them.

Back of my parents house in Layton also next to the cemetery used to grow Tomatoes.

 

[RUSTY_2_STANDS]

I worked a couple of summers at Kershaws too. The green sap was a bastard to get off.

I was well in to punk music at the time (still am). The sap used to literally cover you.
After a days work picking tomatoes I had had green hair, which I thought was great!
Who did you work with? Can you remember any names?
Martin Hodgkinson, Chris McGough, John Ellis and a guy whose surname I think was Hawkins.
His two sons worked there as well. I can't remember their first names.

 

[Wizaard]

I was well in to punk music at the time (still am). The sap used to literally cover you.
After a days work picking tomatoes I had had green hair, which I thought was great!
Who did you work with? Can you remember any names?
Martin Hodgkinson, Chris McGough, John Ellis and a guy whose surname I think was Hawkins.
His two sons worked there as well. I can't remember their first names.

I remember Chris but no one else. I was there 76 and 77 summers. Boiled alive in the hottest summer ever and me in a greenhouse.

 

[Malced]

'my tip off came from a Tesco employee'
Increasingly desperate.

There’s a guy works down the chip shop. Swears he’s Elvis.

 

[TSSeasider]

Can't beat a parsnip salad with a side of runner beans.

Turnips.

We missed turnips

BBC News - Eating turnips could help ease vegetable shortage, suggests Therese Coffey

Eating turnips could help ease vegetable shortage, suggests Therese Coffey

Cabinet minister says consumers should "cherish" home-grown produce as shops limit sales of some items.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[P t Barnum]

Doesn't seem to be a problem in France ang Germany Brexit is bollocks

 

[Wizaard]

Mick Hucknall wades into vegetable shortage debate in pretty impressive fashion

The Simply Red star has issued a call to arms....

metro.co.uk

There you go.

 

[Mexboroseasider]

I remember Chris but no one else. I was there 76 and 77 summers. Boiled alive in the hottest summer ever and me in a greenhouse.

Same here.

Greenhouses at the bottom of Longhouse Lane/Little Singleton Hill.

 

[glasshalffull]

Turnips.

We missed turnips

BBC News - Eating turnips could help ease vegetable shortage, suggests Therese Coffey

Unfortunately you can’t have your turnip and eat it.