Shameful

Seainsea

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I've read a lot of comments on this board today and to be honest it has been shameful. I honestly believe that some of our supporters have forgotten what it is to support a football team. Obviously, everything bad that happens in the world is down to Critchley and CJ.

It has been a frustrating season but far from disastrous and seventh/eight is about where we deserve to be. If Jordan Rhodes had not had those two successive injuries and re-discovered his scoring touch then it could have been very different. Rhodes not only offered goals but his experience definitely helped the team and more importantly the forward line. It was no coincidence that Beesley and Joseph were more effective when playing alongside Rhodes.

I have been critical of Critchley particularly his obsession with 3 at the back but some of the players need to hold their hands up too. Stability, is important in football. Portsmouth, Derby and Bolton are the best supported teams and have had a few seasons to build their squads to meet the demands of Lg1.

I still think we lack some football nous at the top of the football club. Someone to oversee the football side of the business, to guide the coaches and identify what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong and what we need to become better. Barry Fry at P'Boro and Mick Harford at Luton have been important figures at those clubs.

By the way the season is not over. Portsmouth will want to wrap up the Lg1 Championship by hopefully thumping Barnsley and Oxford face two tricky home games. Against Barnsley we may still have the opportunity by winning to take it to the last game of the season.
 
That’s way too reasoned to be on here
It’s not reasoned at all. It’s an excuse for wasting five million pounds. Once again it’s not about Critchley the person. It’s about Critchley failing his mandate. If we failed but had tried our best, playing players in their proper position and playing tactics that suit the players we do have i doubt there would have been a peep of dissent. This year for the first time in my life I’m looking forward to the end of the season so I don’t have to see another week of Critchley not doing anything right. No one likes to see avoidable stupidity. The Stevenage game summed up his shortcomings. There squad was genuinely limited but the manager worked with what he had, the players knew what was expected of them and what they were accountable for. They enjoy their football. Their manager understands the requirements of succeeding in division one.

Critchley also doesn’t lead with integrity or compassion. CJ is not in the team on merit. He needs a rest and the decent thing to do and the right thing to do would be to give it to him for the good of the player and the team.
 
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I've read a lot of comments on this board today and to be honest it has been shameful. I honestly believe that some of our supporters have forgotten what it is to support a football team. Obviously, everything bad that happens in the world is down to Critchley and CJ.

It has been a frustrating season but far from disastrous and seventh/eight is about where we deserve to be. If Jordan Rhodes had not had those two successive injuries and re-discovered his scoring touch then it could have been very different. Rhodes not only offered goals but his experience definitely helped the team and more importantly the forward line. It was no coincidence that Beesley and Joseph were more effective when playing alongside Rhodes.

I have been critical of Critchley particularly his obsession with 3 at the back but some of the players need to hold their hands up too. Stability, is important in football. Portsmouth, Derby and Bolton are the best supported teams and have had a few seasons to build their squads to meet the demands of Lg1.

I still think we lack some football nous at the top of the football club. Someone to oversee the football side of the business, to guide the coaches and identify what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong and what we need to become better. Barry Fry at P'Boro and Mick Harford at Luton have been important figures at those clubs.

By the way the season is not over. Portsmouth will want to wrap up the Lg1 Championship by hopefully thumping Barnsley and Oxford face two tricky home games. Against Barnsley we may still have the opportunity by winning to take it to the last game of the season.
How many combinations of different players has he used?

How many combinations of different systems has he used?

There are two constants and the main one is the system.
The second is we don't have the quality of players to play the system.

Then you have a manager who constantly plays CJ( btw I feel very sorry for him) in a system that CJ should never have been in.
I have had a go many times for him having favourites but that doesn't let the said favourites off the hook.
Connolly looks like a non-league player and thankfully Crotchless seems to have got the message with him.

Now poor old CJ needs to grow a pair and tell Crotchless to stop selecting him in this shite system which has dragged his performances down to a Sunday pub team standard.
Whether you like it or not he is wide open for criticism because with him in the starting 11 he is mostly leaving us with 10 players on the pitch most games because he is the last player in the world you would play in this system.

The system is the problem and with no plan B and only a plan A mk2 we are fucked once we have been sussed.

It's a football message and if a player is stinking the team out so badly I will point it out, so you need to live with it ......
 
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How many combinations of different players has he used?

How many combinations of different systems has he used?

There are two constants and the main one is the system.
The second is we don't have the quality of players to play the system.

Then you have a manager who constantly plays CJ( btw I feel very sorry for him) in a system that CJ should never have been in.
I have had a go many times for him having favourites but that doesn't let the said favourites off the hook.
Connolly looks like a non-league player and thankfully Crotchless seems to have got the message with him.

Now poor old CJ needs to grow a pair and tell Crotchless to stop selecting him in this shite system which has dragged his performances down to a Sunday pub team standard.
Whether you like it or not he is wide open for criticism because with him in the starting 11 he is mostly leaving us with 10 players on the pitch most games because he is the last player in the world you would play in this system.

The system is the problem and with no plan B and only a plan A mk2 we are fucked once we have been sussed.

It's a football message and if a player is stinking the team out so badly I will point it out, so you need to live with......
I don't think anyone is struggling to 'live with' and I'm also fairly sure they know where you stand on the whole issue...
 
Players out of position where?
Or is it all about scapegoating CJ game on game(Gabriel rarely offers anything in an attacking sense. at RWB)or the two matches Connolly played at LWB when Lyons who started the first three games in that position after losing his father?

You can blame systems and Critchley but when you've 4 strikers who rarely score,can't pass to each other and over reliant on Dembelle with the rest of the squad bang average your going to struggle.

We can change the head coach in summer but unless we address the squad with 5/6 decent new players expect 7th/8th all season again in League1 whoever is in charge.
 
Players out of position where?
Or is it all about scapegoating CJ game on game(Gabriel rarely offers anything in an attacking sense. at RWB)or the two matches Connolly played at LWB when Lyons who started the first three games in that position after losing his father?

You can blame systems and Critchley but when you've 4 strikers who rarely score,can't pass to each other and over reliant on Dembelle with the rest of the squad bang average your going to struggle.

We can change the head coach in summer but unless we address the squad with 5/6 decent new players expect 7th/8th all season again in League1 whoever is in charge.
After watching most of the games, , I don’t think the Strikers are that bad, I think the supply to the strikers has been poor in general. A decent ball in to the right areas may have seen us score many more goals . Shayne is for me a six yard box goal poacher , asking him to hold the ball up for others isn’t his game . Joseph is an intelligent footballer who has provided good assists for the likes of Rhodes. Kylian Kouassi is a young raw talent who is just developing, but he has all the attributes to become a very good asset for the club. Bees is a very capable player who can finish and get his head to the ball, but in my opinion he needs to get in the gym and lift or move some heavy weights. we do however need to improve the way we supply our strikers, whether it be from out wide or through the middle. I personally would ditch this system and go with a more fluid 433 which in itself can be tweaked in game if we need to adjust to certain scenarios. Anyway, only two games left, UTMP.
Already looking forward to next season .
 
It's weird that we have won 20 games with 2 more still to play and there is so much discontent. Win those last 2 and we finish on 76 points which would normally mean a Play Off place. Maybe part of the frustration is to do with this league having so many teams at the top on such a high points per game ratio. We've never been able to break into that top 6. Like having had a carrot dangled at us all season.
 
I've read a lot of comments on this board today and to be honest it has been shameful. I honestly believe that some of our supporters have forgotten what it is to support a football team. Obviously, everything bad that happens in the world is down to Critchley and CJ.
It would be shameful if fans didn’t care.
What you are seeing are impassioned fans who know when something is wrong.
 
I've read a lot of comments on this board today and to be honest it has been shameful. I honestly believe that some of our supporters have forgotten what it is to support a football team. Obviously, everything bad that happens in the world is down to Critchley and CJ.

It has been a frustrating season but far from disastrous and seventh/eight is about where we deserve to be. If Jordan Rhodes had not had those two successive injuries and re-discovered his scoring touch then it could have been very different. Rhodes not only offered goals but his experience definitely helped the team and more importantly the forward line. It was no coincidence that Beesley and Joseph were more effective when playing alongside Rhodes.

I have been critical of Critchley particularly his obsession with 3 at the back but some of the players need to hold their hands up too. Stability, is important in football. Portsmouth, Derby and Bolton are the best supported teams and have had a few seasons to build their squads to meet the demands of Lg1.

I still think we lack some football nous at the top of the football club. Someone to oversee the football side of the business, to guide the coaches and identify what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong and what we need to become better. Barry Fry at P'Boro and Mick Harford at Luton have been important figures at those clubs.

By the way the season is not over. Portsmouth will want to wrap up the Lg1 Championship by hopefully thumping Barnsley and Oxford face two tricky home games. Against Barnsley we may still have the opportunity by winning to take it to the last game of the season.
A good post well argued. However I continue to believe that the players at Critchley's disposal have not been improved by him.
 
It's a football message board for gods sake. It's where football gets discussed. And some on here need to realise that includes the BAD as well as the good. This isn't something in a perfect little sunny world where everything is rosy. Some people like to be honest and call it for what it is. Some on here seem to love accepting mediocrity or in some cases even worse than that. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Or off the message board.
 
I think the team is set up defensively pretty well but having no firepower means we are vulnerable if we don’t score first.

It’s not a disaster. I remember the days of being in the bottom four of the fourth tier well. Much of the negativity stems I suspect from those who can only remember the meteoric rise to the Premier League and the equally meteoric decline.

Critchley does seem to have run out of ideas and a new coach may be an option but whoever is in charge we need to have a good transfer window in the summer to keep what we have that is good and strengthen where necessary.
 
It's a football message board for gods sake. It's where football gets discussed. And some on here need to realise that includes the BAD as well as the good. This isn't something in a perfect little sunny world where everything is rosy. Some people like to be honest and call it for what it is. Some on here seem to love accepting mediocrity or in some cases even worse than that. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. Or off the message board.
Take note of your own advice. People are simply expressing an opinion. Whether you like or agree with it is irrelevant really.
 
Regardless of whether you think it's been a good season / trainwreck because of league position, the issue for me is the turgid football on offer week in and out. Watching Blackpool hasn't been a fun experience this season, even when winning, it's almost become a chore. Just look at the lack of atmosphere this season compared to more recent seasons, there is just nothing to get excited about. So not only are we getting inconsistent results and likely to miss out on the playoffs, but we're having to watch a woeful brand of football. That to me isn't down to Rhodes being injured either, that's down solely to the manager, and I just don't see how that changes next season.

I'll add on that I definitely don't blame players like CJ. CJ signed as a winger and is being made to play at RWB. Work that one out! I feel sorry for the lad.
 
Maybe we should close the forum down. No opinion allowed, only positivity only.

I don't know about you, but this is the first season in my lifetime where the board and manager and everyone associated with this club expected top 6 as a bare minimum and we have played like a side looking like getting there on a handful of occasions. 90% of the football played has been boring unless Dembele or Rhodes have done something about it.

The OP is absolutely dogshit tbh.
 
The strikers take the blame for me. Lavery and Joseph haven’t produced much, less so Beesley but still not enough. But agree with the O/P we have no given right to go up, we might still with a good slice of luck. Is it 12 years since Pompey last graced the Championship?
 
Maybe we should close the forum down. No opinion allowed, only positivity only.

I don't know about you, but this is the first season in my lifetime where the board and manager and everyone associated with this club expected top 6 as a bare minimum and we have played like a side looking like getting there on a handful of occasions. 90% of the football played has been boring unless Dembele or Rhodes have done something about it.

The OP is absolutely dogshit tbh.
So how much positivity is there on this board then? Hardly any at the moment.If your anti Critchley or very negative on the club right now then you're definitely in the majority on here.
If you show any gratitude on here that there are a lot worse situations to be in or if you're realistic to where we are at the moment then you get labelled unambitious or in 20s case accepting mediocrity and that's said with every respect for him as a poster on here.
It's always harder to be patient as a supporter and to look at things glass half full. I'm not saying I manage that the whole time but I've got a respect for people that do.
The O/ P is not dogshit and its typically aggressive and OTT to be called that on here when it's a fair and well argued opinion. I accept I wouldn't use the word shameful though.
 
So how much positivity is there on this board then? Hardly any at the moment.If your anti Critchley or very negative on the club right now then you're definitely in the majority on here.
If you show any gratitude on here that there are a lot worse situations to be in or if you're realistic to where we are at the moment then you get labelled unambitious or in 20s case accepting mediocrity and that's said with every respect for him as a poster on here.
It's always harder to be patient as a supporter and to look at things glass half full. I'm not saying I manage that the whole time but I've got a respect for people that do.
The O/ P is not dogshit and its typically aggressive and OTT to be called that on here when it's a fair and well argued opinion.
Well, I think it's an awful OP and very reminiscent of stuff posted pre boycott at times during the Oyston tenure.

I don't accept mediocrity when there is a ceiling to be reached. It seems our fans are just happy to support a club. You might be content with slightly above midtable and consistently poor performances but frankly, I'm not.

There is so much more that can be extracted from this squad, it's beyond frustrating. But having a pop at supporters on a message board makes anything beyond the first paragraph redundant.

Genuine question, have you watched any Blackpool FC games this season? Because it's posts like yours and the above which suggests you haven't.
 
How many combinations of different players has he used?

How many combinations of different systems has he used?

There are two constants and the main one is the system.
The second is we don't have the quality of players to play the system.

Then you have a manager who constantly plays CJ( btw I feel very sorry for him) in a system that CJ should never have been in.
I have had a go many times for him having favourites but that doesn't let the said favourites off the hook.
Connolly looks like a non-league player and thankfully Crotchless seems to have got the message with him.

Now poor old CJ needs to grow a pair and tell Crotchless to stop selecting him in this shite system which has dragged his performances down to a Sunday pub team standard.
Whether you like it or not he is wide open for criticism because with him in the starting 11 he is mostly leaving us with 10 players on the pitch most games because he is the last player in the world you would play in this system.

The system is the problem and with no plan B and only a plan A mk2 we are fucked once we have been sussed.

It's a football message and if a player is stinking the team out so badly I will point it out, so you need to live with it ......
I have to say, I do think we have the players/squad to have made a really good fist of this season, I just think( for all Critchleys qualifications) he is tactically inept, and without a strong number 2 along side him, he's just too stubborn to admit his system is just not good enough, no experience alongside him allows him to just continue in the same tactics that have cost us dearly, didn't want him back , and that is because I can't forget how poor we were in his last dozen games in his first stint, nothing I have seen makes me believe that anything will change, I wish he had come back and was amazing this season, proved me completely wrong, but ....
 
It’s not reasoned at all. It’s an excuse for wasting five million pounds. Once again it’s not about Critchley the person. It’s about Critchley failing his mandate. If we failed but had tried our best, playing players in their proper position and playing tactics that suit the players we do have i doubt there would have been a peep of dissent. This year for the first time in my life I’m looking forward to the end of the season so I don’t have to see another week of Critchley not doing anything right. No one likes to see avoidable stupidity. The Stevenage game summed up his shortcomings. There squad was genuinely limited but the manager worked with what he had, the players knew what was expected of them and what they were accountable for. They enjoy their football. Their manager understands the requirements of succeeding in division one.

Critchley also doesn’t lead with integrity or compassion. CJ is not in the team on merit. He needs a rest and the decent thing to do and the right thing to do would be to give it to him for the good of the player and the team.
And if we're in the playoffs in a fortnight will you still be insisting we've missed out?

What was his mandate for this season? In the playoffs or challenging for them? You don't know but I would put big money on the latter.
 
I'll withdraw the word shameful if it causes such offence. I was reading through some of the comments on the Barnsley MB yesterday about their performance on Saturday and what struck me was how similar they were to comments on here about the Head Coach and style of play. They still think they'll scrape the points required but have little confidence they will progress in the play-offs. There was also the belief that if they did go up that they will be watching their team getting hammered every week.

I've been as critical of Critchley as anyone and the style of play. We've had plenty of poor managers and players through the years but can't remember any occasion when after winning three games in a row, we've had this level of negativity. Hopefully the results will fall our way this week and it sets up the game against Barnsley.
 
So how much positivity is there on this board then? Hardly any at the moment.If your anti Critchley or very negative on the club right now then you're definitely in the majority on here.
If you show any gratitude on here that there are a lot worse situations to be in or if you're realistic to where we are at the moment then you get labelled unambitious or in 20s case accepting mediocrity and that's said with every respect for him as a poster on here.
It's always harder to be patient as a supporter and to look at things glass half full. I'm not saying I manage that the whole time but I've got a respect for people that do.
The O/ P is not dogshit and its typically aggressive and OTT to be called that on here when it's a fair and well argued opinion. I accept I wouldn't use the word shameful though.
but is there anything wrong with being in the majority on here. I think some of the players are awful, the football has been boring and the manager gets the formation wrong pretty much all the time. I'm not alone in thinking that and don't see a problem with saying it. As i first said, ot's a football message board where the bad has a right to be discussed and debated as much as the good. And for so many on here there has been way too much bad. That has nothing to do with entitlement but all to do with how we see things on a match by match basis.
 
I think whatever we all think is right some people don't like Critchley some do, some people don't like the formation some do, certain players are not liked by people others think different, some people just moan about anything because that's what they do.
We are all different view wise.
 
I'll withdraw the word shameful if it causes such offence. I was reading through some of the comments on the Barnsley MB yesterday about their performance on Saturday and what struck me was how similar they were to comments on here about the Head Coach and style of play. They still think they'll scrape the points required but have little confidence they will progress in the play-offs. There was also the belief that if they did go up that they will be watching their team getting hammered every week.

I've been as critical of Critchley as anyone and the style of play. We've had plenty of poor managers and players through the years but can't remember any occasion when after winning three games in a row, we've had this level of negativity. Hopefully the results will fall our way this week and it sets up the game against Barnsley.
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With 2 games to go, we may find our season is over tomorrow night. Ultimately anything other than a top 6 finish is failure, in my eyes. That said our home form has been excellent and we can't overlook just how poor we were the previous season. If we can finish 7th with 76pts we shouldn't be throwing our teddies too far out of the pram. It will need some really good recruitment to build on this season and it will be a big test of Sadler's ambition to turn us into a team that can challenge at the very top of the table.
 
With 2 games to go, we may find our season is over tomorrow night. Ultimately anything other than a top 6 finish is failure, in my eyes. That said our home form has been excellent and we can't overlook just how poor we were the previous season. If we can finish 7th with 76pts we shouldn't be throwing our teddies too far out of the pram. It will need some really good recruitment to build on this season and it will be a big test of Sadler's ambition to turn us into a team that can challenge at the very top of the table.
There was a massive rebuilding job to be done after last season, even with the players who remained, in terms of confidence and belief. To potentially have 76 points after that debacle is not a failure.
 
There was a massive rebuilding job to be done after last season, even with the players who remained, in terms of confidence and belief. To potentially have 76 points after that debacle is not a failure.
All about opinions, pretty much everyone said play offs were our aim, if we don't make them it'll be seen as failure by Sadler, Critchley and the players.
 
I've read a lot of comments on this board today and to be honest it has been shameful. I honestly believe that some of our supporters have forgotten what it is to support a football team. Obviously, everything bad that happens in the world is down to Critchley and CJ.

It has been a frustrating season but far from disastrous and seventh/eight is about where we deserve to be. If Jordan Rhodes had not had those two successive injuries and re-discovered his scoring touch then it could have been very different. Rhodes not only offered goals but his experience definitely helped the team and more importantly the forward line. It was no coincidence that Beesley and Joseph were more effective when playing alongside Rhodes.

I have been critical of Critchley particularly his obsession with 3 at the back but some of the players need to hold their hands up too. Stability, is important in football. Portsmouth, Derby and Bolton are the best supported teams and have had a few seasons to build their squads to meet the demands of Lg1.

I still think we lack some football nous at the top of the football club. Someone to oversee the football side of the business, to guide the coaches and identify what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong and what we need to become better. Barry Fry at P'Boro and Mick Harford at Luton have been important figures at those clubs.

By the way the season is not over. Portsmouth will want to wrap up the Lg1 Championship by hopefully thumping Barnsley and Oxford face two tricky home games. Against Barnsley we may still have the opportunity by winning to take it to the last game of the season.
My 2 penneth for what it's worth....

I personally think that this bunch of players should be good enough for at least a play-off position and potentially automatic. I have watched BFC for 50+ years, and I think that this division this year is quite weak. Having said that I personally think we have a few players who are not up to it. I watch them when they are warming up most weeks to look at their first touch, their ability in the one touch circles etc, then watch quite a few of them critically in games. Players like CJ, Lavery, Connelly are particularly weak, with a bad first touch, no awareness (when do you ever see them hit a first time pass - never as they never know who is around them) and no confidence on the ball. Others look like footballers, even if their form goes up and down. Our 4 loanees are head and shoulders above our players when you watch their all round game. Gabriel, Carey, Norburn, Morgan are the only ones who look comfy on the ball. Granted Norburn is so so cautious


Having said all that, why many people, including me, are so disillusioned with this season has to come down the coach. The football has been turgid and woeful and so, so cautious. The last 3 games, even though we have won them sum us up. 1-0 up quite early against awful opposition, then we withdraw and end up hanging on. This approach has led us to lose away games at Cheltenham, Cambridge, Port Vale, Northampton , Burton, Wigan, Orient etc, often with no shots on goal..


Critchley's in-game management is awful and he can't seem to change the approach, nor drum up any passion in the team. The fact that we beat Posh home and away, and took 4 points off Portsmouth shows that we have the players, but the dreadful losses against weaker opposition suggest to me a lack of passion and tactical nous. The failure to sign a leader on the pitch has cost us big time too.

I wasn't massively against his return, but I now can't wait for the season to end and see what happens in the summer. More of this and I will not be looking forward to next year.
 
And if we're in the playoffs in a fortnight will you still be insisting we've missed out?

What was his mandate for this season? In the playoffs or challenging for them? You don't know but I would put big money on the latter.
Sadly yes. Difference between fluke and merit. His mandate had to be top six. Anything less is a pointless season and a five million pound failure. What have we accomplished this season?
 
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Spot on OP. Could end up in the play offs with 2 games left and the board is swathed in negativity and attacks on our own players. A guy like CJ who is obviously a confidence player having the piss taken out of him. What a bunch of tossers. It's almost surreal.
 
I thought this thread was the Happy Clappers day out. Thankfully Kurt and 20's came along to spoil their attempts to silence any criticism of the players and manager.
 
Spot on OP. Could end up in the play offs with 2 games left and the board is swathed in negativity and attacks on our own players. A guy like CJ who is obviously a confidence player having the piss taken out of him. What a bunch of tossers. It's almost surreal.
If you are happy to accept less than mediocre then that's your choice. I think those that do are the tossers myself.
 
I've read a lot of comments on this board today and to be honest it has been shameful. I honestly believe that some of our supporters have forgotten what it is to support a football team. Obviously, everything bad that happens in the world is down to Critchley and CJ.

It has been a frustrating season but far from disastrous and seventh/eight is about where we deserve to be. If Jordan Rhodes had not had those two successive injuries and re-discovered his scoring touch then it could have been very different. Rhodes not only offered goals but his experience definitely helped the team and more importantly the forward line. It was no coincidence that Beesley and Joseph were more effective when playing alongside Rhodes.

I have been critical of Critchley particularly his obsession with 3 at the back but some of the players need to hold their hands up too. Stability, is important in football. Portsmouth, Derby and Bolton are the best supported teams and have had a few seasons to build their squads to meet the demands of Lg1.

I still think we lack some football nous at the top of the football club. Someone to oversee the football side of the business, to guide the coaches and identify what we're doing right, what we're doing wrong and what we need to become better. Barry Fry at P'Boro and Mick Harford at Luton have been important figures at those clubs.

By the way the season is not over. Portsmouth will want to wrap up the Lg1 Championship by hopefully thumping Barnsley and Oxford face two tricky home games. Against Barnsley we may still have the opportunity by winning to take it to the last game of the season.
For me it's not just about league position it's the fact that the football is so unattractive and boring, for the first time I can remember I can't wait for the season to end.
 
I'll withdraw the word shameful if it causes such offence. I was reading through some of the comments on the Barnsley MB yesterday about their performance on Saturday and what struck me was how similar they were to comments on here about the Head Coach and style of play. They still think they'll scrape the points required but have little confidence they will progress in the play-offs. There was also the belief that if they did go up that they will be watching their team getting hammered every week.

I've been as critical of Critchley as anyone and the style of play. We've had plenty of poor managers and players through the years but can't remember any occasion when after winning three games in a row, we've had this level of negativity. Hopefully the results will fall our way this week and it sets up the game against Barnsley.
And that unfortunately says it all about the tactics/management really...3 wins on the spin ,and negativity...
 
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