Chunkylad
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In fairness if she’d have dressed up for the cameras like that and put on some lippy, she’d be back by nowJust seen a pic on C4 News
She doesn’t look like the pic you always see
Slim and in jeans
In fairness if she’d have dressed up for the cameras like that and put on some lippy, she’d be back by nowJust seen a pic on C4 News
She doesn’t look like the pic you always see
Slim and in jeans
Liberty another money wasting organisation.A woman from Liberty just been on the 6pm news saying the decision is wrong and she should be allowed to return to the UK to put across her side of the story.
Seriously how do these people sleep at night?
No it doesn'tWe despise the Nazis and all who carried out crimes against humanity in their name.The same applies here.
Not read the judgment yet but surely she's made herself stateless - its not the gov'tI have to say this case troubles me.
It is a fundamental human right established by international conventions not to be made stateless and yet that seems to be exactly what has happened in this case.
Yes it does.No it doesn't
There's no point in me spending ages writing out why it doesn't. I'll make just one point, however. The Nazis created and armed a youth movement to fight for the defence of the Fatherland towards the end of the War: the Hitler Youth.Yes it does.
That was not my point, as you very well know.The Hitler youth didn't leave Germany and declare war on its mother country like this dog shit scrubber did.
You haven`t got a point and if you can`t see the point I made and recognize evil incarnate you`re blind . It is not worth wasting any time on you..That was not my point, as you very well know.
Stay calm 1950s. I haven't read your point actually. Neither have I made any comment about what should happen to the woman.You haven`t got a point and if you can`t see the point I made and recognize evil incarnate you`re blind . It is not worth wasting any time on you..
It might not be your point but it is the point.That was not my point, as you very well know.
No it's not 20's. I only came onto this thread to disabuse Laneends that Begum's situation was not akin to the allies approach to the Nazis. As regards her own position, she appears to be in a hole that is partly of her own making. In that respect, I have little or no sympathy for her. However, as regards her initial motivations and ensuing action of joining the caliphate, that came from the mind of an immature girl. I'm not going to load that individual with the guilt of an adult. As I say, her position since she has become an adult is partly of her own making and it"s not an enviable one.It might not be your point but it is the point.
We despise the Nazis and all who carried out crimes against humanity in their name.The same applies here.
No it doesn't.
My post followed by your response. Then.....
Stay calm 1950s. I haven't read your point actually. Neither have I made any comment about what should happen to the woman.
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I have to say this case troubles me.
It is a fundamental human right established by international conventions not to be made stateless and yet that seems to be exactly what has happened in this case.
WHAT???????????Maybe she’s like those princesses in the UAE, luckily their dad got Liz 2nd behind him. Same very old
Are you deafWHAT???????????
It was the latterThe latter.
Looks like she’s either lucky or a survivor.The two girls she went with are both dead
She’s had three children and they are all dead
You cannot make yourself stateless. Citizenship has to be removed by a higher authority (government and law courts). I would have thought, as a lawyer, you would have understood that. Furthermore, it is illegal to remove citizenship from a person if that would leave them stateless.Not read the judgment yet but surely she's made herself stateless - its not the gov't
It might not be your point but it is the point.
[/QUONonsense...these people want to wipe away our way of life and stamp their ideology on us they can never be allowed back here.You cannot make yourself stateless. Citizenship has to be removed by a higher authority. I would have thought, as a lawyer, you would have understood that. Furthermore, it is illegal to remove citizenship from a person if that would leave them stateless.
It has been reported that the UK Government has stripped British citizenship from over 150 people who went to Syria. According to the BBC, the UK authorities decided to target only people who had dual citizenship, or were born outside the UK, or who had parents born outside the UK, so their children could possibly reclaim citizenship from another country. So as not to break UK law.
So, legally speaking, these outcast people have a possible ‘option’, however unrealistic. Theoretically. How you can process all the forms for getting a new Bangladeshi passport while stuck in a primitive refugee camp in the Middle East is a different question. Especially if Bangladesh says “nothing to do with us”. But Priti Patel could not give a flying f*** about those fine details.
However... the UK government has declined to identify exactly who these 150+ people are that they have made stateless. It’s a secret list. Why? Perhaps the subjects do not even know themselves, if they are stuck in that refugee camp. It’s all rather Kafkaesque to me.
Yes, these people seem not to hold our values, but how and why were they indoctrinated while growing up in the UK? It seems our (multicultural) society bears a lot of responsibility for that. And we should start by cleaning up our own mess rather than just trying to wash our hands of it.
Lover of Sharia lawyes behead the bitch and have done with it shes a fuckin terrorist and they should be treat the same as they would treat us OFF WITH HER HEAD
Not read the judgment yet but surely she's made herself stateless - its not the gov't
It has been reported that the UK Government has stripped British citizenship from over 150 people who went to Syria. According to the BBC, the UK authorities decided to target only people who had dual citizenship, or were born outside the UK, or who had parents born outside the UK, so their children could possibly reclaim citizenship from another country. So as not to break UK law.
She made a really stupid decision when she was a kid. Sadly some times those consequences come back and bite you.
You reap what you sow... this whole sad incident hopefully sets an example to other young people tempted into making such decisions.
Let’s not forget that interview in which she said she was ok with beheadings
She definitely said itMates did she actually say that? I seem to remember that she wasn’t sorry about joining Isis or something like that .......
Exactly where do I say that “they should be allowed back in” ? I don’t. And I would not stoop to their level of barbarity as it seems you would.they are terrorists so you would allow them back in to kill british citizens then. behead them as they would do to us
Beheadings would be an effective deterrent for terrorists and extremists who would gladly martyr themselves....and if someone else is doing the beheading. Obs.Exactly where do I say that “they should be allowed back in” ? I don’t. And I would not stoop to their level of barbarity as it seems you would.
I flit the same ways Johnno.I’m really torn with this.
As an ex squaddie, like every other sane person, I hate terrorists with a vengeance.
But I can’t stop thinking she was only 15 when she chose her path.
Groups like Isis have experts at identifying and manipulating potential recruits.
There are loads of instances of young people ** up, where most of us would say “he’s only 15, his life shouldn’t be wrecked because he made a mistake”, so it’s clear that severity of the offence is the main factor when we decide to ignore their naivety. Is that fair? I’m not too sure.
Please don’t slate me as if I’m defending her, I flit from being willing to pull the trigger myself or blaming her recruiters, but I think that if we’re willing to condemn her then we need to revisit our ideas about age of responsibility.
I can’t disagree, and I don’t have a valid solution to it. How the hell can you have a safe de-programming program?I flit the same ways Johnno.
That said this decision is not supposedly about punishing her but because she would/could be a future national security risk.
That makes the argument to keep her out of the U.K. seem less cruel and more of a protective measure put in place for the rest of us , and OUR kids I suppose.
It’s a really bad situation all round to be honest. Nobody wins.
That said this decision is not supposedly about punishing her but because she would/could be a future national security risk.
Maybe , but unfortunately for her her actions have given the government a good enough reason to say she could be a national security risk.It's extremely doubtful that she would be a national security risk, certainly no more than many thousands of other UK and non-UK nationals who currently reside here.
Unfortunately this is simply a case of government by headline.
Maybe , but unfortunately for her her actions have given the government a good enough reason to say she could be a national security risk.
Whose ambition?Is that really the limit of our ambition?
"Yes minister on close inspection it is indeed abhorrent both in humanitarian terms and in terms of international law, but the press will lap it up so we're golden"
Johnno, a fair point, but she didn't just'fuck up'. She planned and implemented her journey to Turkey, then Syria basically to support a regime that potentially could kill her friends in the Uk indiscriminately, for what? idealism or the promise of underage shagging?I’m really torn with this.
As an ex squaddie, like every other sane person, I hate terrorists with a vengeance.
But I can’t stop thinking she was only 15 when she chose her path.
Groups like Isis have experts at identifying and manipulating potential recruits.
There are loads of instances of young people ** up, where most of us would say “he’s only 15, his life shouldn’t be wrecked because he made a mistake”, so it’s clear that severity of the offence is the main factor when we decide to ignore their naivety. Is that fair? I’m not too sure.
Please don’t slate me as if I’m defending her, I flit from being willing to pull the trigger myself or blaming her recruiters, but I think that if we’re willing to condemn her then we need to revisit our ideas about age of responsibility.
Mate, I’ll always get your point of view, ‘cos it’s an horrific topic. But was she, at 15, being calculated, or was it her handlers?Johnno, a fair point, but she didn't just'fuck up'. She planned and implemented her journey to Turkey, then Syria basically to support a regime that potentially could kill her friends in the Uk indiscriminately, for what? idealism or the promise of underage shagging?
A 'mistake' doesn't really come into it. She was calculated, and when reality and the promise of Paradise didn't come up to scratch, the selfish little bitch wanted to come back to the Society she openly shunned.
See they are still letting you post your offensive vitriol, despite have to remove your blatant racism from last night.there should be no debate on this , anyone giving her the benefit of the doubt if it was any of yours that that this filth supported their beheading you would be screaming blue murder . You get no where being pleasant to chite
I’m glad you agree CATSee they are still letting you post your offensive vitriol, despite have to remove your blatant racism from last night.
For what it is worth, while I have disgust for the hypocrisy that seems to think a Muslim girl of 15 being groomed is somehow different from a white girl of the same age being groomed, at least the awful situation has been allowed to run its course and an objective (hopefully) decision has been made by those qualified to make such a judgment. That is the way it should be if we are to retain the moral high ground over the terrorists.