Shayne Lavery.

"A sniff of goal for the returning Shayne Lavery as the bustling striker works his way into space before his deflected 20-yard effort has Kasper Schmeichel scrambling across to make the save.

"That is what Lavery does, he makes the most of half chances. That wasn't a great ball by Price, but Lavery made the most of it, the slight deflection almost caused Schmeichel problems.
 
With a Madine like upgrade alongside him up front or part of a three, Lavery could get a shitload of chances and maybe get 15+ goals and assists. He needs a bit of luck to stay injury free.
 
I'm not religious but I'd happily pray that we don't bring in a Madine like player to feature as a first choice striker! I'd settle for a Madine like player on the bench for if we're struggling to break down a strong defence and need to change to a direct style but we need to play our way out of this league, not hoof our way out!
 
AllTheBoysAreCheerin' said:
I'm not religious but I'd happily pray that we don't bring in a Madine like player to feature as a first choice striker! I'd settle for a Madine like player on the bench for if we're struggling to break down a strong defence and need to change to a direct style but we need to play our way out of this league, not hoof our way out!
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Yates best football was played as a partner to Madine.

Young runner needs a big man to hold it up imo
 
Stu99 said:
Yates best football was played as a partner to Madine.

Young runner needs a big man to hold it up imo
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Baffling how teams without target men survive, isn't it? 😉 I'd have 2 or 3 Jerry Yates' every day of the week rather than losing one for a target man! Beesley could end up proving to be a Madine upgrade, who knows, but please let's let the target man option be plan B rather than plan A, we've all seen that in action and it wasn't pretty!
 
AllTheBoysAreCheerin' said:
I'm not religious but I'd happily pray that we don't bring in a Madine like player to feature as a first choice striker! I'd settle for a Madine like player on the bench for if we're struggling to break down a strong defence and need to change to a direct style but we need to play our way out of this league, not hoof our way out!
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'... not hoof our way out!' I suppose it's basically just a case of horses for courses.
 
AllTheBoysAreCheerin' said:
Baffling how teams without target men survive, isn't it? 😉 I'd have 2 or 3 Jerry Yates' every day of the week rather than losing one for a target man! Beesley could end up proving to be a Madine upgrade, who knows, but please let's let the target man option be plan B rather than plan A, we've all seen that in action and it wasn't pretty!
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Liverpool thought it was pretty enough when they were winning almost everything with keegan, oh yes I almost forgot they also had a target man in Toshack.
 
Jerry is a decent player but it’s clear that he cannot play as a central striker in a 4-3-3 formation as his hold up play and strength is simply not up to it. If he has a foil alongside him in a 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 formation you would get the best out of him.

Critchley though favours 4-3-3 and previously shoved him when de left in a 4-3-3 which reduces his ability to get goals.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Jerry is a decent player but it’s clear that he cannot play as a central striker in a 4-3-3 formation as his hold up play and strength is simply not up to it. If he has a foil alongside him in a 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 formation you would get the best out of him.

Critchley though favours 4-3-3 and previously shoved him when de left in a 4-3-3 which reduces his ability to get goals.
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Dunno. He played left of a 3 for Swindon and scored loads. Salah scores loads from a right position in a 3. Yates is a great finisher but he needs the right set up around him.
 
voyeur said:
Dunno. He played left of a 3 for Swindon and scored loads. Salah scores loads from a right position in a 3. Yates is a great finisher but he needs the right set up around him.
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He got 13 goals in 31 appearances for Swindon on loan.

Eoin Doyle got 25 goals in 28 games that season in the centre forward role.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
He got 13 goals in 31 appearances for Swindon on loan.

Eoin Doyle got 25 goals in 28 games that season in the centre forward role.
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Thats fine but hes not Eoin Doyle and cant play that position. It affects his value I think. Whats his brst position? Does he need a specific formation?
 
voyeur said:
Dunno. He played left of a 3 for Swindon and scored loads. Salah scores loads from a right position in a 3. Yates is a great finisher but he needs the right set up around him.
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He scored the majority of his league goals this season out wide in the the three under Appleton up top on his own he looks lost.

So for me 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 etc to get the best of Jerry or if your playing with a loan striker he's better wide cutting in.
 
poolseasider said:
He scored the majority of his league goals this season out wide in the the three under Appleton up top on his own he looks lost.

So for me 3-5-2 or 4-4-2 etc to get the best of Jerry or if your playing with a loan striker he's better wide cutting in.
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I suspect clubs looking at him see both his strengths and his weaknesses and wonder where he fits.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Jerry is a decent player but it’s clear that he cannot play as a central striker in a 4-3-3 formation as his hold up play and strength is simply not up to it. If he has a foil alongside him in a 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 formation you would get the best out of him.

Critchley though favours 4-3-3 and previously shoved him when de left in a 4-3-3 which reduces his ability to get goals.
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Jerry needs a partner or an aggressively forward thinking no 10 to run beyond and exchange with him. I agree I wouldn't use him as the central point of a three. I actually think the oft stated notion that Appleton was a mentalist for playing him wide is nonsense. He scored most of his goals from open play for us this year from that wider berth.

If I had to set up a team around Jerry, I'd go 4231 with the no 10 kind of player as a very attacking one as Jerry is good enough to swap and play a kind of false 9 at times.

Lavs is different. He needs to run off the shoulder of the last defender and chase things. Jerry needs movement and one touch football (or a Gary Madine)
 
td53 said:
Jerry needs a partner or an aggressively forward thinking no 10 to run beyond and exchange with him. I agree I wouldn't use him as the central point of a three. I actually think the oft stated notion that Appleton was a mentalist for playing him wide is nonsense. He scored most of his goals from open play for us this year from that wider berth.

If I had to set up a team around Jerry, I'd go 4231 with the no 10 kind of player as a very attacking one as Jerry is good enough to swap and play a kind of false 9 at times.

Lavs is different. He needs to run off the shoulder of the last defender and chase things. Jerry needs movement and one touch football (or a Gary Madine)
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Is Yates the 1?
 
Wilburrabbit said:
Jerry is a decent player but it’s clear that he cannot play as a central striker in a 4-3-3 formation as his hold up play and strength is simply not up to it. If he has a foil alongside him in a 4-4-2 or 3-5-2 formation you would get the best out of him.

Critchley though favours 4-3-3 and previously shoved him when de left in a 4-3-3 which reduces his ability to get goals.
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When Critchley first arrived from Liverpool he started 4-3-3 but eventually went rigid 4-4-2 with 2 DM's & full backs supporting the inverted wide men. Ball rarely going into the box, preferably back & across to boost the possession stats. Yes we got promoted & easily stayed in the championship under NC & probably should be more gratefully after last seasons shit show but unless he let's the reigns of a bit can't say I'm desperate for the season to start.
 
I hope he plays a different system too, he clearly wanted to play 433 but gave up on it. I think it was down to players. He couldn't make it work. But maybe it was down to him not making it work. Let's see what happens.
 
Albert Ross said:
Liverpool thought it was pretty enough when they were winning almost everything with keegan, oh yes I almost forgot they also had a target man in Toshack.
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But has the game not moved a million miles from those rather archaic times of the big man/little man tactical approach?
 
tarantula said:
But has the game not moved a million miles from those rather archaic times of the big man/little man tactical approach?
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How many times last season have poster’s said, you included, we are being bullied by big opposition players? As I said earlier, this isn’t a plan A, but all sides need a Madine type player in the squad. There are times we need to bully/ out shithouse them back, ala big gaz.
 
Albert Ross said:
How many times last season have poster’s said, you included, we are being bullied by big opposition players? As I said earlier, this isn’t a plan A, but all sides need a Madine type player in the squad. There are times we need to bully/ out shithouse them back, ala big gaz.
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I agree, Gaz was a great plan B that was used as a plan A far too often. For some reason he was first on the team sheet when we were up against a big defence when, in my opinion, pacey and technical players are more effective against big lumbering centre backs and Gaz would be far more dominant against smaller defenders. It doesn't seem like rocket science to me but for some reason our recent managers haven't seen it that way. I'd love the opportunity to ask them why!
 
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