Sir John Major - A man of integrity and honour

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Ollygon

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Just watching his speech to the Institute for Government.

What a refreshing change to see a caring and honest politician.

Pity he's not Prime Minister.
 
i think he would have been a very good PM if he had managed to stay in office, but his fundamental blandness and maybe his centrist blandness meant he could never really get the Tory media on his side, and hence never really got the party behind him. Since then every PM and Labour and Tory party leader has been lets say media friendly as their principle selling and voting point
 
Costero Poderoso said:
i think he would have been a very good PM if he had managed to stay in office, but his fundamental blandness and maybe his centrist blandness meant he could never really get the Tory media on his side, and hence never really got the party behind him. Since then every PM and Labour and Tory party leader has been lets say media friendly as their principle selling and voting point
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He was dragged down by Tory sleaze, the expenses scandal really did for him and of course the ERM fiasco.
 
Wizaard said:
Going to parties during lockdown has nothing to do with Brexit actually
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Some of us believe that John Major is more concerned about attacking Johnson due to Brexit. What a day he chose to do this whilst the pm is involved in delicate talks with the aim of averting war not so very far away. No fan of Johnson but it is hardly statesman like behaviour from a former pm. Whether right or wrong it is just an opinion Wizaard.
 
Ruperthoop said:
Some of us believe that John Major is more concerned about attacking Johnson due to Brexit. What a day he chose to do this whilst the pm is involved in delicate talks with the aim of averting war not so very far away. No fan of Johnson but it is hardly statesman like behaviour from a former pm. Whether right or wrong it is just an opinion Wizaard.
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Far too many people still not excepting Brexit happened smug faced Major is just one of them.
 
ill add its very easy for any politician to be or seem to be caring and honest post leadership. he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. you only have to look at Michael portillo now who really was a right wing nut job when he was in cabinet but is now seen as a beloved old uncle
 
John Major is a hypocrite in a long list of hypocrites.

Cut from the same cloth as Johnson.

He championed back to basics family values as a mechanism to attack single mothers whilst having an affair with another Minister whilst Prime Minister.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
i think he would have been a very good PM if he had managed to stay in office, but his fundamental blandness and maybe his centrist blandness meant he could never really get the Tory media on his side, and hence never really got the party behind him. Since then every PM and Labour and Tory party leader has been lets say media friendly as their principle selling and voting point
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He couldn't get the whole Tory Party behind him because of the 'bastards.' They didn't force him out mid-term but they made the Party look sufficiently divided to give Blair an additional lift.

Fast forward to 2017 and the new 'bastards' (ERG and Special Guest Star B. Johnson), most certainly did for Theresa May.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
He couldn't get the whole Tory Party behind him because of the 'bastards.' They didn't force him out mid-term but they made the Party look sufficiently divided to give Blair an additional lift.

Fast forward to 2017 and the new 'bastards' (ERG and Special Guest Star B. Johnson), most certainly did for Theresa May.
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Theresa may should in the first instance never have been anywhere near the role of PM. A genuine incompetent in every role she has ever held. And yet still not quite the worst PM of the last twenty years
 
Ruperthoop said:
Some of us believe that John Major is more concerned about attacking Johnson due to Brexit. What a day he chose to do this whilst the pm is involved in delicate talks with the aim of averting war not so very far away. No fan of Johnson but it is hardly statesman like behaviour from a former pm. Whether right or wrong it is just an opinion Wizaard.
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What makes you think Boris Johnson has a millimetre of traction or respect from foreign leaders with regards to the russia-ukraine situation. The man is an absolute international joke. And referring to statesmanlike behaviour when you are referring to Boris, don't make me laugh 🤯
 
Ruperthoop said:
Some of us believe that John Major is more concerned about attacking Johnson due to Brexit. What a day he chose to do this whilst the pm is involved in delicate talks with the aim of averting war not so very far away. No fan of Johnson but it is hardly statesman like behaviour from a former pm. Whether right or wrong it is just an opinion Wizaard.
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Yes, it is your opinion, you're right. But a belief is much stronger than an opinion and a belief should be based on something, so what do you base your assertion on?
 
brightontangerine said:
What makes you think Boris Johnson has a millimetre of traction or respect from foreign leaders with regards to the russia-ukraine situation. The man is an absolute international joke. And referring to statesmanlike behaviour when you are referring to Boris, don't make me laugh 🤯
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Yes, the man is a clown, a fake, a joke and a lier.
 
Giro said:
I suspect that’s going to be the same for most of the UK, for a bloody long time.
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Most? That's an opinion which wouldn't stand up to much scrutiny beyond the echo chambers of #FBPE. The fact is, we don't know - but looking at voting patterns so far, not much appears to have changed.

The local elections might give us an insight, but I suspect there will be some anger towards the hypocrisy of partying whilst telling us not to; which may or may not remain an issue in a general election. Time will tell.

And back on the topic in hand, John Major is a hypocrite. He's in plenty of parliamentary company; but why anyone would listen to him is beyond me.

He was barely relevant when he was actually PM.
 
TSSeasider said:
Most? That's an opinion which wouldn't stand up to much scrutiny beyond the echo chambers of #FBPE. The fact is, we don't know - but looking at voting patterns so far, not much appears to have changed.

The local elections might give us an insight, but I suspect there will be some anger towards the hypocrisy of partying whilst telling us not to; which may or may not remain an issue in a general election. Time will tell.

And back on the topic in hand, John Major is a hypocrite. He's in plenty of parliamentary company; but why anyone would listen to him is beyond me.

He was barely relevant when he was actually PM.
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What is true is that Brexit has, so far, proved to be a drag on the economy, the commons committee confirmed that earlier this week.
This translates to many millions who have been affected in many ways and it's not at all what was promised.
NI politics in the most dangerous place since the GFA.
I think that many are starting to wake up to the reality of what it means.
 
Brazil said:
Yes, it is your opinion, you're right. But a belief is much stronger than an opinion and a belief should be based on something, so what do you base your assertion on?
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Brazil it is the timing of John Majors attack that is crucial in my opinion and belief. He waited until Johnson was pre-occupied with the most sensitive of talks, diplomacy that will hopefully help avert a war. He did this to impact maximum damage to Johnsons credibility but by doing so could have undermined any good that could have come. He clearly does not have a high opinion of Johnson but remains bitter about Brexit and the role the pm played in it . If the timing had been different , and it very clearly could have been, i would have accepted Majors criticisms as said without relation to Brexit.
 
brightontangerine said:
What makes you think Boris Johnson has a millimetre of traction or respect from foreign leaders with regards to the russia-ukraine situation. The man is an absolute international joke. And referring to statesmanlike behaviour when you are referring to Boris, don't make me laugh 🤯
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That is your opinion. I am not a fan of Johnson and have been deeply unhappy with some of the things he has done such as partying whilst others could not visit their ill loved ones. He is though the prime minister of the country and has the responsibility of trying to ease tensions and find a solution even if it means that it makes people like you laugh.
 
John Major crikey thought he had popped his clogs years ago. Has he popped up again because he has a book to promote like that other has been Alistair Dingle Campbell ?
 
Ruperthoop said:
Brazil it is the timing of John Majors attack that is crucial in my opinion and belief. He waited until Johnson was pre-occupied with the most sensitive of talks, diplomacy that will hopefully help avert a war. He did this to impact maximum damage to Johnsons credibility but by doing so could have undermined any good that could have come. He clearly does not have a high opinion of Johnson but remains bitter about Brexit and the role the pm played in it . If the timing had been different , and it very clearly could have been, i would have accepted Majors criticisms as said without relation to Brexit.
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He didn't need "to impact maximum damage to Johnsons credibility"

Pratson is perfectly capable of doing that himself. He does it every day by just breathing.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
What is true is that Brexit has, so far, proved to be a drag on the economy, the commons committee confirmed that earlier this week.
This translates to many millions who have been affected in many ways and it's not at all what was promised.
NI politics in the most dangerous place since the GFA.
I think that many are starting to wake up to the reality of what it means.
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Early days yet and we're just coming out of a pandemic.

It might be an unmitigated disaster, it might be a stroke of genius; we will have to wait and see for a while longer yet as we disentangle ourselves from the EU fully.

It was however a democratic decision by the people of the UK at the time; which some members of the political class did their best to stymie.

And John Major is still an absolute hypocrite to talk about standards in public life.
 
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Ollygon said:
Just watching his speech to the Institute for Government.

What a refreshing change to see a caring and honest politician.

Pity he's not Prime Minister.
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Olly

No problem with you preferring him as a PM but to suggest that he has integrity is utter horsechite.

He was sticking it up Edwina while married to Norma.
 
Ollygon said:
Just watching his speech to the Institute for Government.

What a refreshing change to see a caring and honest politician.

Pity he's not Prime Minister.
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You mean the same integrity and honour filled bloke who had a four year affair behind his wife’s back?
 
Undoubtedly had more integrity and honour than the present incumbent who has NONE, but, after all, he is a TORY, so cheating was part of his make up!
 
A total waste of space pushed though the Macheristic treaty which made the E.U what it is today a political mes and Dictatorship.
 
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