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It’s Vallance and Whitty.

They are basically saying lifting restrictions will lead to a huge surge in cases.
 
cruzzer said:
It’s Vallance and Whitty.

They are basically saying lifting restrictions will lead to a huge surge in cases.
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And?
The most important thing is the death rate and hospital admissions now not a few students who've have a headache after attending a Rave.

Get the country open now, most of the elderly have been jabbed FFS.
 
poolseasider said:
And?
The most important thing is the death rate and hospital admissions now not a few students who've have a headache after attending a Rave.

Get the country open now, most of the elderly have been jabbed FFS.
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The point is what they’re pedalling is very depressing and not what the population needs to hear now.

Yes, say we need to be cautious but with the vaccine there is signs that life can return to more normality:
 
I'm not doubting the wisdom of these 2 gentlemen but I would like a bit more information. Witty seems to suggest a surge will come in Autumn/Winter. By then all off the adult population will have been offered a vaccination which is supposed to be approaching 90% efficacy. So will the surge be children and anti-vaxers and are there that many?
Where's the Boston man JVT when you need him?
 
Out of curiosity it would be interesting to know how Israel are doing. My understanding is they’ve vaccinated the majority (if not all) now. Any lessons to be learned would come from there perhaps?
 
Insider said:
I'm not doubting the wisdom of these 2 gentlemen but I would like a bit more information. Witty seems to suggest a surge will come in Autumn/Winter. By then all off the adult population will have been offered a vaccination which is supposed to be approaching 90% efficacy. So will the surge be children and anti-vaxers and are there that many?
Where's the Boston man JVT when you need him?
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I heard that he was waiting for a train on a platform. On the platform are a lot of elderly people. The train is some way away and JVT can just see the lights in the distance. But his football team are playing a game that has gone to extra time and then to a penalty shootout. But his team has missed the first penalty. The train has gone on to the pitch and takes the next penalty. The goalkeeper saves it. etc., etc.
 
  1. England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty says it is likely there will be another surge of the virus in the UK
  2. Modelling suggests it could come later in the summer, as society opens up, or later in the autumn or winter, he says
Nothing like being exact but then scientists never are 😂
 
Old_Laytonian said:
  1. England's chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty says it is likely there will be another surge of the virus in the UK
  2. Modelling suggests it could come later in the summer, as society opens up, or later in the autumn or winter, he says
Nothing like being exact but then scientists never are 😂
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Probably referring to a vaccine dodging variant that is expected to arise then.
 
cruzzer said:
It’s Vallance and Whitty.

They are basically saying lifting restrictions will lead to a huge surge in cases.
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That's not what they said. More a case of the R rate being bound to rise by 10% or more.

Whitty made a valid point that one year ago there had been 2 deaths and within a couple of weeks the country was in lockdown.
 
We are basically in Lockdown for another 5 weeks before even something as basic as getting a hair cut or buying a pair of trainers can happen and their talking about easing restrictions!!!
 
cruzzer said:
It’s Vallance and Whitty.

They are basically saying lifting restrictions will lead to a huge surge in cases.
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As long as deaths and hospitalisations are down so what. It’s not going anywhere, we will all still potentially carry the virus it just won’t make us ill once vaccinated.
 
They're not "peddling" anything. They are scientists who are trying to provide us with a measured assessment of where we are, what might happen next and the risks that accompany it.

If you think a successful roll-out of the vaccination programme is the end of all this you are very naive. It won't work for everyone, for a start, there will be further variants and the long term efficacy of the jab is still being monitored. It all looks pretty promising at the moment, but they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't put appropriate caveats in place.

People say they want to be treated like adults by the people in charge. But it would help if people reacted like adults when they get news that isn't 100% what they wanted to hear.

On a side note - the quality of questioning from the Select Committee wasn't very impressive. Whitty and Vallance must get pretty fed up answering the same question, asked in about a dozen different ways.
 
Surely with that information you have provided the first goal is to reduce deaths and hospitalisations. We can only worry about the rest another day otherwise we will never ever return to normal.
 
poolseasider said:
We are basically in Lockdown for another 5 weeks before even something as basic as getting a hair cut or buying a pair of trainers can happen and their talking about easing restrictions!!!
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Except we're not really in any form of lockdown. Some shops aren't open and obviously the pubs, but apart from that, people are going about their normal daily business.
 
i was working in Manchester yesterday and managed to find a boozer serving. Obviously I didn’t partake but it surprised me that some still flout the law. Very naughty.
 
Nightingales to close so not too concerned about overloading the NHS then.
 
Scientists have proven in this Pandemic nothing is black and white like we all thought was and they have different view points like politicians.
 
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A bar mitzvah is taking place in town right now, balloons red carpet the lot!!! Yet i can’t go and sit in a ** pub☹️
 
basilrobbie said:
On a side note - the quality of questioning from the Select Committee wasn't very impressive. Whitty and Vallance must get pretty fed up answering the same question, asked in about a dozen different ways.
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It's variable and splits across party lines, the labour members are very clearly trying to use them as a stick to beat the government with and thus frame their questions along the lines of "government ignoring science" or "test and trace waste of money", which invariably leads to them repeating "that's not the way the system works", although I think PV (or was it CW) did put forward a pretty strong defence of T&T.

Dawn Butler in particular is embarrasing and her questions virtually incomprehensible, Graham Stringer can at least talk in complete sentences but was pushing the "not following science line", Long-Bailey pushing the "but SAGE said back in February........" line over schools re-opening.

On the plus side Greg Clark is impressive in the chair and (usually) asks perceptive and informed questions, Katherine Fletcher is another stand out performer.
 
basilrobbie said:
They're not "peddling" anything. They are scientists who are trying to provide us with a measured assessment of where we are, what might happen next and the risks that accompany it.

If you think a successful roll-out of the vaccination programme is the end of all this you are very naive. It won't work for everyone, for a start, there will be further variants and the long term efficacy of the jab is still being monitored. It all looks pretty promising at the moment, but they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't put appropriate caveats in place.

People say they want to be treated like adults by the people in charge. But it would help if people reacted like adults when they get news that isn't 100% what they wanted to hear.

On a side note - the quality of questioning from the Select Committee wasn't very impressive. Whitty and Vallance must get pretty fed up answering the same question, asked in about a dozen different ways.
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I certainly don’t think the vaccine is the nirvana in beating this crisis, but we have to accept that this is going to be around in some forms for possibly eternity.

We therefore cannot live in perpetual lockdown which is what these two would advocate. If that was the case we might as well just go for an all out thermonuclear war and effectively kill of the human race.

Let’s try some positivity and accept that we need to live with this and almost certainly require an annual modified vaccine of some kind.
 
cruzzer said:
I certainly don’t think the vaccine is the nirvana in beating this crisis, but we have to accept that this is going to be around in some forms for possibly eternity.

We therefore cannot live in perpetual lockdown which is what these two would advocate. If that was the case we might as well just go for an all out thermonuclear war and effectively kill of the human race.

Let’s try some positivity and accept that we need to live with this and almost certainly require an annual modified vaccine of some kind.
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There's a huge difference between saying "we need to be careful coming out of lockdown" to "we must stay in lockdown in perpetuity".
 
BWseasider said:
There's a huge difference between saying "we need to be careful coming out of lockdown" to "we must stay in lockdown in perpetuity".
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And not even the over cautious scientists have said that.

I don't think it unreasonable to suggest that the set out timeframe may change. That was stated quite clearly when it was announced. Data not dates as I recall.
 
basilrobbie said:
They're not "peddling" anything. They are scientists who are trying to provide us with a measured assessment of where we are, what might happen next and the risks that accompany it.

If you think a successful roll-out of the vaccination programme is the end of all this you are very naive. It won't work for everyone, for a start, there will be further variants and the long term efficacy of the jab is still being monitored. It all looks pretty promising at the moment, but they wouldn't be doing their job if they didn't put appropriate caveats in place.

People say they want to be treated like adults by the people in charge. But it would help if people reacted like adults when they get news that isn't 100% what they wanted to hear.

On a side note - the quality of questioning from the Select Committee wasn't very impressive. Whitty and Vallance must get pretty fed up answering the same question, asked in about a dozen different ways.
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Well you may be happy staying in every bloody day but myself and other go getters want to get out there living and loving.
 
Memphisboy said:
Well you may be happy staying in every bloody day but myself and other go getters want to get out there living and loving.
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Which reminds me, your Mother said she wants "the go-getter" to go and get her prescription in the morning. Chop chop.
 
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