So ultimately the season ticket pricing policy

Plumbs said:
Lots of options on memberships and also on indirect forms of income, one would be having a supporters bar midweek on a say monthly basis to raise money. Open to members and ST holders at an appropriate rate with two players and club staff in attendance, where for instance the Armfield Club could be utilised.
I'd also rebrand the Gold Bond and push that up a few notches and do things like bring a mate, and have a monster Christmas raffle.
Utilitising the fans groups at the structured dialogue meetings would be a key and making up the shortfalls (as discussed) would yield the monies lost.

I think the OP is onto something but it needs some proper planning and some genuine effort to find alternative ways to improve income. Isn't that what the SLO is for?
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All good ideas Plumbs and whether or not anybody agrees exactly, they are all positives. 👍

Maybe cut the SLO some slack ? 😀
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Wiz

I'm not suggesting that they won't travel and that the ground won't be infiltrated but you do know that the "advice" is not to travel ?

They have been criticised for arranging the game and they are only allowed 2,000 - possibly less - at the home friendlies with Arsenal and Real Madrid so I can't see there being any official allocation.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they fill their allocation from NW based supporters.
 
Wizaard said:
I wouldn't be surprised if they fill their allocation from NW based supporters.
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Yes, covid will reduce the numbers travelling so there might only be 5,000 in the town instead of 10,000.

I just plucked those figures out of the sky but they will all be spending money in the town.
 
Phil
You seem to be advocating the Bradford model. Remind me where they are in the league pyramid. I would like subsidised tickets to young and students, but for building support surely it would be better to give schools free tickets in the East when low away support allows?
 
Cuthbert said:
I think 7500 is respectable. May be there will be another 500 to 750 to come. Given enhanced away support and pay on the day, 10000 gates should be regular.
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We don't want to rely on away fans ffs.....i used to hate it when we gave away fans the whole East

Should stick to giving them half of the East and nothing more
 
Mixed feelings on this. I know the club need revenue and will spend it wisely on the appropriate things and this is to be applauded.

But

As an exile, with a 12 year old and soon to be 18 year old (student) it feels a bit harsh to be paying £60 for a game.

A season ticket would have been about £40. So I pay 50% more because I can't get to every game because I live 150 miles away.

Essentially, I'll decide to miss a couple of games to make sure it's affordable balanced against everything else going on in our lives.

Lastly, BST were right behind the 20's plenty campaign, where we asked for ticket prices limiting to £20. I hope they will stick to their principles and suggest the club reconsider.

Perhaps @BlackpoolSupportersTrust could clarify whether they still support this campaign?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
We don't want to rely on away fans ffs.....i used to hate it when we gave away fans the whole East

Should stick to giving them half of the East and nothing more
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Yeah the push should be getting pool fans in the east at all costs.

Most away fans won't sell much more than the 2.5k half East. If they do and an extra 1000 are in the other side, ita great to get the money but having away fans at each side of the pitch cheering on their side gives them a huge boost.

Whereas having out own support gives us a huge boost.

The 12th man could earn us survival, which is worth more money than a few away fans can provide.

Plus its about having room to build a fanbase.

Most of the good seats high up are gone or will be gone. If someone decides to give it a go and is limited to only near the front or in the kids stand or only s small block of seats, its no good.

You have to have space for the growth.
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Blackburn Rovers have 3 categories for match day prices with adult prices at £25, £32 and £36, no reductions if you buy before the day, either. Same league, same county, quite a bit more expensive than our prices.
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T'Rovers brought those prices in because they were getting ripped off by Leeds and Wendies and it was exactly the right thing to do.
 
Maybe we should have done a bid tv type price structure. 😀

So season tickets started at 350, but sell over 7k and it goes down a tenner. Over 8k another tenner and so on.

You put a message of ' so there's never been a better time to be a pool fan, get friends, get family and get behind the team. The more you bring the cheaper for all.'

As prices go down to about 320 your towards impulse buy territory for the casuals.
 
TSSeasider said:
Mixed feelings on this. I know the club need revenue and will spend it wisely on the appropriate things and this is to be applauded.

But

As an exile, with a 12 year old and soon to be 18 year old (student) it feels a bit harsh to be paying £60 for a game.

A season ticket would have been about £40. So I pay 50% more because I can't get to every game because I live 150 miles away.

Essentially, I'll decide to miss a couple of games to make sure it's affordable balanced against everything else going on in our lives.

Lastly, BST were right behind the 20's plenty campaign, where we asked for ticket prices limiting to £20. I hope they will stick to their principles and suggest the club reconsider.

Perhaps @BlackpoolSupportersTrust could clarify whether they still support this campaign?
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Tees

I don't speak for BST and am no expert but I thought the "twentys plenty" campaign was about limiting the price paid by visiting supporters ?

That is not to say that the campaign could not be extended.
 
Plumbs said:
T'Rovers brought those prices in because they were getting ripped off by Leeds and Wendies and it was exactly the right thing to do.
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It's not the right thing to do though is it. The right thing to do is to leave your away end empty so that you can have your Jimmy Savile singalong to yourself. Or blag the concessions so that you get to see a 5-0 win for 20 quid and more fool your lot.
 
poolfc said:
It's not the right thing to do though is it. The right thing to do is to leave your away end empty so that you can have your Jimmy Savile singalong to yourself. Or blag the concessions so that you get to see a 5-0 win for 20 quid and more fool your lot.
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Nope you've called it wrong there :) I meant the reaction to the way Leeds and Wednesday ripped off Rovers fans and of which I made complaints to the relevant authorities.

Btw I also asked Leeds if I could use my discount vouchers for Blackpool fans that night but they refused.

MOT
 
Plumbs said:
Nope you've called it wrong there :) I meant the reaction to the way Leeds and Wednesday ripped off Rovers fans and of which I made complaints to the relevant authorities.

Btw I also asked Leeds if I could use my discount vouchers for Blackpool fans that night but they refused.

MOT
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No I haven't. Just because Leeds (and Sheff Weds) charge stupid ticket prices doesn't mean away fans should pay it. Or that everyone else should charge you the same when you go to them just because its you. And definitely shouldn't be charging home fans more to try and facilitate it.

Someone at some point has to see the whole thing as a nonsense and put a stop it.
 
poolfc said:
No I haven't. Just because Leeds (and Sheff Weds) charge stupid ticket prices doesn't mean away fans should pay it. Or that everyone else should charge you the same when you go to them just because its you. And definitely shouldn't be charging home fans more to try and facilitate it.

Someone at some point has to see the whole thing as a nonsense and put a stop it.
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I don't think you understand but Blackburn brought in a banding JUST for Leeds and Wendies, which given the lack of action (on ticket prices by EFL etc) was the right thing to do given there were no other options.

This was in line with the home and away equal pricing rules where Leeds and SW fans were getting ripped off too,but Blackburn hatched a cunning 3 game deal to get around it. This really should have been adopted by other clubs to try and put an end to this nonsense, but not enough clubs were bright enough to latch onto it.

If you take the time to read up on it it's a complicated and deliberately unclear way of wholesale pricing, and actually should be built into club charters but the clubs wouldn't vote for it.
 
poolfc said:
No I haven't. Just because Leeds (and Sheff Weds) charge stupid ticket prices doesn't mean away fans should pay it. Or that everyone else should charge you the same when you go to them just because its you. And definitely shouldn't be charging home fans more to try and facilitate it.

Someone at some point has to see the whole thing as a nonsense and put a stop it.
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I don't think you understand but Blackburn brought in a banding JUST for Leeds and Wendies, which given the lack of action (on ticket prices by EFL etc) was the right thing to do given there were no other options.

This was in line with the home and away equal pricing rules where Leeds and SW HOME fans were getting ripped off too,but Blackburn hatched a cunning 3 game deal to get around it. This really should have been adopted by other clubs to try and put an end to this nonsense, but not enough clubs were bright enough to latch onto it.

If you take the time to read up on it it's a complicated and deliberately unclear way of wholesale pricing, and actually should be built into club charters but the clubs wouldn't vote for it.
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Tees

I don't speak for BST and am no expert but I thought the "twentys plenty" campaign was about limiting the price paid by visiting supporters ?

That is not to say that the campaign could not be extended.
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But wasn't the thrust of that to basically stop this banding nonsense as you can only charge the away fans the maximum you can charge the home fans?

It's been a while since we've needed these types of discussions so I could be wrong.
 
poolfc said:
No I haven't. Just because Leeds (and Sheff Weds) charge stupid ticket prices doesn't mean away fans should pay it. Or that everyone else should charge you the same when you go to them just because its you. And definitely shouldn't be charging home fans more to try and facilitate it.

Someone at some point has to see the whole thing as a nonsense and put a stop it.
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This is spot on.
 
Maybe Sadler should just walk away.
He's got the club back on an even keel, promoted to the championship and is now trying to compete with those clubs and people want him to do it on a shoestring.

The Oystons have gone, if you want cheap prices you get cheap facilities.
Most of the posts on this board say that we're being run like a proper football club but unfortunately that comes at a price.
 
td53 said:
The quantum leap in budgets is leavened by £7mill+ in TV money. We also see the clubs salable assets rise considerably in value.

My basic maths estimates the extra prices work out at somewhere around 380k income IF all matchday tickets are sold every game .

That's not insignificant but it doesn't bridge tbe gap you describe. What bridges the gap in the longer term is growing the fanbase. Which, unfortunately is an investment. Just like a player is.

If we want football to be priced fairly,we can't just all accept 'the going rate' and then complain that no magic fairy came along to fix it for us.

I'm also not Phil. I do happen to agree with him here and I have consistently agreed with him on ticket prices since post boycott. What his posting style is like is irrelevant to the issue at hand. The access of football to the broadest range of people is more important to me than whether or not agreeing with Phil on the internet is in or out this week.

I have written to the club about this, I have posed a question via the SLO and have also written to BST in the past about some kind of credit scheme or similar. I've noted this week what Motherwell have done. If the prices are, what the prices are then we,as a fanbase need to look at how we can bridge gaps and make football accessible.

Maybe that's where we need to go next because however we talk about ourselves and the going rates and what level of football we're playing, Blackpool still has some of the most deprived areas in the country and covid has only made that more evident and to me, matchday ticket prices are really, really important when people are blocked from season tickets via credit issues etc.

If we want an east stand and we want to establish ourselves as a going concern, we need a base of more than 7.5k.

I'm not expecting Sadler to pay for my ticket and give me a free pie and sign Mpabbe. I'm suggesting that investment in ticket prices could be very important in building the fanbase.

It's that latter point that I think others overlook - i.e. that they as a dedicated Blackpool fan are happy to pay x or y. That's great, but we are only going to take the club so far between us.
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On the point of finance schemes, the club said they'd investigated a number of schemes and the one they've gone with was the only feasible option.
 
TSSeasider said:
But wasn't the thrust of that to basically stop this banding nonsense as you can only charge the away fans the maximum you can charge the home fans?

It's been a while since we've needed these types of discussions so I could be wrong.
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Tees

You are not wrong about anything, I think there are just different issues and they call all be discussed.

We had a campaign to help make football more affordable for visiting supporters, they were/are already paying for travel, accommodation, etc, etc so capping entrance fee at £20 made things more affordable.

Another issue - but there is crossover - is like the one discussed by Plumbs and others above where we have different visiting supporters being charged different amounts when they attend certain grounds, this could be as revenge for how much the home clubs supporters were charged in reverse fixtures or just a tax on a big team because they can.

"twentys plenty" would stop inconsistent pricing but I don't think it was set up to specifically address that issue.

There will be far better folk on here than me to address this.
 
"Twenty's plenty" is a fine slogan for L1 and below. I think it is harder to make it stick above that level, although it shouldn't be (demand v supply is an issue here). And 2020 is right, it was not brought in to address inconsistent pricing.
 
Has there been any mention of a membership scheme? In the past this initiative dropped the price of a ticket on a match day, which for a £20 outlay (back then) at the beginning of a season knocked about a £5 of the price. Worked well for me due to being only able to attend mainly weekend games when home on leave.
 
Tangerine WAFU said:
Has there been any mention of a membership scheme? In the past this initiative dropped the price of a ticket on a match day, which for a £20 outlay (back then) at the beginning of a season knocked about a £5 of the price. Worked well for me due to being only able to attend mainly weekend games when home on leave.
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If SS thinks that will hurt income overall he won't do it whereas the Stains were short term business men and wanted cash in upfront.
 
We didn’t sell out most games in the Prem, fact, and that was with relatively cheap pricing.
I’m sure the club and owner will learn from the pricing they’ve done, and will have researched into what realistically the fan uptake would be. It’s all skewed and non-comparable this season as people are still worried about Covid etc. Not worth getting knickers in a twist about, pay on the gate will add thousands more if the restrictions stay lifted and we do reasonably well. 10k plus per game is a decent start to build on.
 
Its interesting to look at other clubs for comparison.

This isn't a perfect analysis as some will have cheaper seats but higher up etc but also ours wasn't 299 as thats in the family stand and requires a junior purchase also.

There's quite a few clubs ahead of us it seems.

www.football365.com

Championship season tickets ranked from cheapest to most expensive

Fans will be desperate to get back into stadiums but it's fair to say that some Championship clubs will be charging more than others...
www.football365.com www.football365.com
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
We didn’t sell out most games in the Prem, fact, and that was with relatively cheap pricing.
I’m sure the club and owner will learn from the pricing they’ve done, and will have researched into what realistically the fan uptake would be. It’s all skewed and non-comparable this season as people are still worried about Covid etc. Not worth getting knickers in a twist about, pay on the gate will add thousands more if the restrictions stay lifted and we do reasonably well. 10k plus per game is a decent start to build on.
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As someone who didn't have a ST in the prem I can categorically tell you every game was technically sold out, look at what our average was from that year compared to the ground capacity at the time, remember there was no South East corner either. I wouldn't say having to buy 3 game packages at £120 was cheap either but that was the clubs way of stopping United and Liverpool fans getting into the home ends. They coupled those games in with the lesser teams. So for example when I wanted a ticket for the West Brom game I was forced to buy the three game package deal at £120 but included Utd or Liverpool.
 
koudo said:
As someone who didn't have a ST in the prem I can categorically tell you every game was technically sold out, look at what our average was from that year compared to the ground capacity at the time, remember there was no South East corner either. I wouldn't say having to buy 3 game packages at £120 was cheap either but that was the clubs way of stopping United and Liverpool fans getting into the home ends. They coupled those games in with the lesser teams. So for example when I wanted a ticket for the West Brom game I was forced to buy the three game package deal at £120 but included Utd or Liverpool.
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Just going off memory - had an ST in the South and distinctly remember empty seats in the ground for different games, even allowing for people not turning up that had paid for tickets.
 
JJpool said:
Its interesting to look at other clubs for comparison.

This isn't a perfect analysis as some will have cheaper seats but higher up etc but also ours wasn't 299 as thats in the family stand and requires a junior purchase also.

There's quite a few clubs ahead of us it seems.

www.football365.com

Championship season tickets ranked from cheapest to most expensive

Fans will be desperate to get back into stadiums but it's fair to say that some Championship clubs will be charging more than others...
www.football365.com www.football365.com
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Some interesting ones in there. Looks like we're around the middle somewhere, and interesting to see a club like Birmingham only hitting 10k two weeks ago with prices cheaper than ours. Makes you wonder how much of an impact Covid is still having.
 
JJpool said:
Its interesting to look at other clubs for comparison.

This isn't a perfect analysis as some will have cheaper seats but higher up etc but also ours wasn't 299 as thats in the family stand and requires a junior purchase also.

There's quite a few clubs ahead of us it seems.

www.football365.com

Championship season tickets ranked from cheapest to most expensive

Fans will be desperate to get back into stadiums but it's fair to say that some Championship clubs will be charging more than others...
www.football365.com www.football365.com
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An interesting read, cheers.
Particularly enjoyed: " North End only scored 21 goals at Deepdale last season which means it would have cost you £19 per goal, had you had a season ticket last year" 😀
 
BFC_53 said:
Some interesting ones in there. Looks like we're around the middle somewhere, and interesting to see a club like Birmingham only hitting 10k two weeks ago with prices cheaper than ours. Makes you wonder how much of an impact Covid is still having.
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Yeah for me though we should be amongst the cheapest. This is where the east with restricted view may have come in.

Season ticket there for 299 might have done it.... bit not sure what you get for 225 at qpr or 250 at another club.

Funny though that qpr say they have highest season tickets in 10 years.

I think with the right pricing we could have had many more and made similar money.
 
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JJpool said:
Yeah for me though we should be amongst the cheapest. This is where the east with restricted view may have come in.

Season ticket there for 299 might have done it....
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You seriously think a stand with restricted view one side with no bar would pull many people in to save 50 quid?
Deluded.
 
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