Sonny Carey

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Poor today, headless chicken, Norburn constantly telling him where to go what to do. Teed up to shoot, mis cued shot edge of box when easier to score!

Starting to think he just isn't upto it with us.

Dale over Carey for me.
 
I’m a fan of Carey even though he’s not really done it for us yet. Dale is a completely different player but think if we signed banks/moxon they would improve us in that position.
 
Always has his best games for us off the bench. Reading away, Preston at home a couple that stick out.

Bags of ability and hope he’ll come good but wouldn’t want to be relying on him starting every week. Still room for another to come in in that position.
 
Was alright today, Morgan and Norburn definitely looked better, definitely start him the next few games, but if Moxon becomes available I’d take him in a heart beat over Carey..
 
Young lad, plucked from non-league. Lots to learn still. Last season probably did him more harm than good
 
He didn't do much wrong today but the game somehow just passed him by. We played it over him and around him, but didn't really get the ball to him in areas where he uses it best. I still feel that he'll have a good season though.
 
Didn't have his best game. He did make one great run from deep in the first half that was very nearly picked out perfectly, and he really needs to do that more often. It was the kind of run that separates the average midfielders from the really good, effective ones that get goals.
He's a young player that's come off the back of a confidence draining season, but I think he will prove to be a good player for us this season.
 
Always has his best games for us off the bench. Reading away, Preston at home a couple that stick out.

Bags of ability and hope he’ll come good but wouldn’t want to be relying on him starting every week. Still room for another to come in in that position.
He started the Reading game.
 
Carey’s problem today was he had no one to pass to. Morgan had Hamilton bombing on in front of him every time. Whereas Carey got it and the first pass available was to connolly who ever got beyond him once. So then Carey had to play a backwards pass. Connolly unfortunately just isn’t adventurous enough to play as a wing back.
 
Carey’s problem today was he had no one to pass to. Morgan had Hamilton bombing on in front of him every time. Whereas Carey got it and the first pass available was to connolly who ever got beyond him once. So then Carey had to play a backwards pass. Connolly unfortunately just isn’t adventurous enough to play as a wing back.
Good spot actually.
 
Carey’s problem today was he had no one to pass to. Morgan had Hamilton bombing on in front of him every time. Whereas Carey got it and the first pass available was to connolly who ever got beyond him once. So then Carey had to play a backwards pass. Connolly unfortunately just isn’t adventurous enough to play as a wing back.
It wasn't something that sprang to mind for me but you could be right!
 
It must have been hard work as everytime
Carey got the ball he didn’t have many options other than turning back. Connolly just didn’t bomb on. Maybe he was told to hold Position by critchley as cj was on the attack. But it did make our left hand side very ineffective attacking. Carey was on a hiding to nothing as he rarely had an option. I said after the game that if we go out and get a quality left wing back and maybe a big striker we would walk this league with who was playing today. Just a little ambition with transfers/loans and we will be good to go.
 
Carey’s problem today was he had no one to pass to. Morgan had Hamilton bombing on in front of him every time. Whereas Carey got it and the first pass available was to connolly who ever got beyond him once. So then Carey had to play a backwards pass. Connolly unfortunately just isn’t adventurous enough to play as a wing back.
that’s a fair shout tbh however he had a poor game today regardless, however too early to wrote him off.
 
It must have been hard work as everytime
Carey got the ball he didn’t have many options other than turning back. Connolly just didn’t bomb on. Maybe he was told to hold Position by critchley as cj was on the attack. But it did make our left hand side very ineffective attacking. Carey was on a hiding to nothing as he rarely had an option. I said after the game that if we go out and get a quality left wing back and maybe a big striker we would walk this league with who was playing today. Just a little ambition with transfers/loans and we will be good to go.
We definitely need to have a proper LWB and a hold up striker.
 
I don’t want to keep bashing Connolly but it seems Very weird that he was left wing back today other than it was because he is more defensive minded but it made us lob sided. Its harsh but I reckon Lyon’s , Thompson and even Apter would have offered more as a left wing back today. We can’t just play players because they are solid in this league if we want to go up. Most of our squad could have done connollys job today. I like him as a cb/cdm but in no way is he a winger, and a left sided one at that.
 
He started the Reading game.
So he did, my memory is playing tricks on me!

He does seem to do better as the game opens up though, typically when he’s come off the bench. When he starts and the game is cagey he can struggle to make an impact.

Easy to forget that he’s still young and played two tough seasons in the Championship which was a huge step up for him. Certainly won’t be writing him off because he didn’t rip it up today.

I think he’s one of them that we’re all desperate to see do well as we can see his potential. We might have to be patient yet, he’s playing under the right man now though and hopefully he’ll get to where we believe he can be as the season goes on.
 
I think Connolly as a more defensive-minded wing back might be the plan. Unai Emery's Villa team play the same way, with one of their wing-backs an out-and-out winger and the other a pure defender. It's lob-sided but maybe it's a trend we're at the cutting edge of!

Carey did okay today. Some nice touches and always puts the work in. Was it not him that put Beesley through after 25 seconds?
 
Not Carey’s best today, but I believe he deserves further opportunities with us. This is how young players with potential develop. Give them a shot when the stakes are high and there are experienced heads (Norburn, Kenny) around them.

We’ve yet to see what he can really do, I feel.
 
I understand the defensive option. But we werent playing Man City etc. Burton were pants and we could have easily got 4 against them with more ambition. Connolly against the top sides is fine but even then the top sides in this league don’t have a Norbury/Lavery/Ekpiteta/Grimshaw. We should roll over the Burtons on todays first half. But on Carey, again Dougall/virtue could have done his role today. But maybe that’s the wealth of riches we have for league one.
 
I think Connolly as a more defensive-minded wing back might be the plan. Unai Emery's Villa team play the same way, with one of their wing-backs an out-and-out winger and the other a pure defender. It's lob-sided but maybe it's a trend we're at the cutting edge of!

Carey did okay today. Some nice touches and always puts the work in. Was it not him that put Beesley through after 25 seconds?
Against a team like we faced today, I don't think we needed any defence let alone a defensive wing back! "Defensive wing back" by definition is completely fucked up!
 
So he did, my memory is playing tricks on me!

He does seem to do better as the game opens up though, typically when he’s come off the bench. When he starts and the game is cagey he can struggle to make an impact.

Easy to forget that he’s still young and played two tough seasons in the Championship which was a huge step up for him. Certainly won’t be writing him off because he didn’t rip it up today.

I think he’s one of them that we’re all desperate to see do well as we can see his potential. We might have to be patient yet, he’s playing under the right man now though and hopefully he’ll get to where we believe he can be as the season goes on.
Totally agree.
 
Sonny needs to play further forward behind the front two and would be a goal threat in this league imho.
 
All young players need guidance during a frantic game. Where to stand, what they’ve missed etc
Carey needed a Bridcutt or a Norburn last season to help him develop. We let him down horribly (along with Charlie and Forini). It’ll come - he’s just not had that influence to improve the bits that need improving.

All the best teams have a ‘pointer’ and the flair players then flourish. Henderson is much maligned but boy could he point during a game. Mad Uncle Rich was the same with Marv and since he’s gone Marv gets out of position or caught in possession.

Have faith in the lad, there’s something in his game once it all clicks.
 
All young players need guidance during a frantic game. Where to stand, what they’ve missed etc
Carey needed a Bridcutt or a Norburn last season to help him develop. We let him down horribly (along with Charlie and Forini). It’ll come - he’s just not had that influence to improve the bits that need improving.

All the best teams have a ‘pointer’ and the flair players then flourish. Henderson is much maligned but boy could he point during a game. Mad Uncle Rich was the same with Marv and since he’s gone Marv gets out of position or caught in possession.

Have faith in the lad, there’s something in his game once it all clicks.
Chunky the difference is that Marv isn’t a novice as such and shouldn’t really need a “pointer”
I’m a fan of Marv but today his performance was bordering on abysmal. He looked like he didn’t want the ball and when he got it he looked like had no idea what he was doing and showed a distinct lack of confidence.
Standing there motionless and then passing forward about 5 yards to a player who was being tightly marked,
that is schoolboy error and it didn’t just happen once. I don’t recall seeing one long pass from him.
Surely he hasn’t been told to play that way by Critch?
I’d rather see him just hoof the ball out of defence than continue in that vein because he will be an absolute liability if he does.
Appears harsh to criticise after just one game but he is far better than his performance today suggested.
Anyway, a good start to the season and a good crowd. Onwards and upwards.
 
I don’t want to keep bashing Connolly but it seems Very weird that he was left wing back today other than it was because he is more defensive minded but it made us lob sided. Its harsh but I reckon Lyon’s , Thompson and even Apter would have offered more as a left wing back today. We can’t just play players because they are solid in this league if we want to go up. Most of our squad could have done connollys job today. I like him as a cb/cdm but in no way is he a winger, and a left sided one at that.
Husband looked solid because Connolly was covering him well. Some of the more attacking options would have left Hubbie exposed
There will be games where we are pressed hard, and playing 3 at the back in that situation maybe Connolly is a decent shout. He should still be around team or squad for me
 
Goes missing for big chunks of matches for me, I believe there’s a player in there but I’ve not seen it yet properly myself but 4 mangers have picked him to start in the last 12 months he must be great in training 😜 Hoping Critchley can get the best out of him. 🤷‍♂️
 
Carey’s problem today was he had no one to pass to. Morgan had Hamilton bombing on in front of him every time. Whereas Carey got it and the first pass available was to connolly who ever got beyond him once. So then Carey had to play a backwards pass. Connolly unfortunately just isn’t adventurous enough to play as a wing back.
Bang on the money SB
 
Husband looked solid because Connolly was covering him well. Some of the more attacking options would have left Hubbie exposed
There will be games where we are pressed hard, and playing 3 at the back in that situation maybe Connolly is a decent shout. He should still be around team or squad for me
I wonder if we'll see Lyons on the left instead of Connolly when we've brought another left sided centre half in and don't have to play Husband there. Lyons is excellent, but is better going forward than he is defending, so it might be that with Husband having to play centre half, Critchley wanted someone more solid on the left.
 
George Cox would be perfect for that oeft side wing back role. Had 3 years at Fortuna in Holland (scored 2 at Ajax), just had a trial at Hull who for some reason haven't offered him a deal despite doing really well? Been heavily linked with QPR, Coventry & Blackburn in the past year or so. Will probably end up in Championship however the longer it goes on you never know, if Lyons goes he would be a tremendous replacement.
 
Chunky the difference is that Marv isn’t a novice as such and shouldn’t really need a “pointer”
I’m a fan of Marv but today his performance was bordering on abysmal. He looked like he didn’t want the ball and when he got it he looked like had no idea what he was doing and showed a distinct lack of confidence.
Standing there motionless and then passing forward about 5 yards to a player who was being tightly marked,
that is schoolboy error and it didn’t just happen once. I don’t recall seeing one long pass from him.
Surely he hasn’t been told to play that way by Critch?
I’d rather see him just hoof the ball out of defence than continue in that vein because he will be an absolute liability if he does.
Appears harsh to criticise after just one game but he is far better than his performance today suggested.
Anyway, a good start to the season and a good crowd. Onwards and upwards.
That’s a fair point in regards to Marvin. By now he shouldn’t need it - he should be the one doing the pointing for others, yet it’s his Achilles heel and why no bigger team has come for him I guess.
Recovery tackles, pace, heading, yes please he’s got all of that. He just doesn’t seem to be quick of thought which is why he gets caught out so often.
 
That’s a fair point in regards to Marvin. By now he shouldn’t need it - he should be the one doing the pointing for others, yet it’s his Achilles heel and why no bigger team has come for him I guess.
Recovery tackles, pace, heading, yes please he’s got all of that. He just doesn’t seem to be quick of thought which is why he gets caught out so often.
Becoming a top quality defender doesn't happen over night, he has all the attributes but the art of defending and reading the game is developed over years of playing the game. Defenders mature into very good defenders by learning their trade from those around them, by playing against good opposition and, more importantly, by learning from their mistakes. There are very few top quality young central defenders because it's an art that takes time to develop! I'm sure he'll become the player we all know is in there.

Edited to point out that I was impressed by Norburn going straight over to Marv at the end of the first half, talking to him and pointing around the pitch, all the way in to the tunnel. 👍
 
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Chunky the difference is that Marv isn’t a novice as such and shouldn’t really need a “pointer”
I’m a fan of Marv but today his performance was bordering on abysmal. He looked like he didn’t want the ball and when he got it he looked like had no idea what he was doing and showed a distinct lack of confidence.
Standing there motionless and then passing forward about 5 yards to a player who was being tightly marked,
that is schoolboy error and it didn’t just happen once. I don’t recall seeing one long pass from him.
Surely he hasn’t been told to play that way by Critch?
I’d rather see him just hoof the ball out of defence than continue in that vein because he will be an absolute liability if he does.
Appears harsh to criticise after just one game but he is far better than his performance today suggested.
Anyway, a good start to the season and a good crowd. Onwards and upwards.
really have to disagree with a lot of that. As a defender today, he was immense. He read the game well and didn't give the forwards a sniff . His only letdown today was his short passing to players who were clearly marked or rapidly being closed down.
 
George Cox would be perfect for that oeft side wing back role. Had 3 years at Fortuna in Holland (scored 2 at Ajax), just had a trial at Hull who for some reason haven't offered him a deal despite doing really well? Been heavily linked with QPR, Coventry & Blackburn in the past year or so. Will probably end up in Championship however the longer it goes on you never know, if Lyons goes he would be a tremendous replacement.
A player we were linked with when Critchley first came in funnily enough 👍
 
really have to disagree with a lot of that. As a defender today, he was immense. He read the game well and didn't give the forwards a sniff . His only letdown today was his short passing to players who were clearly marked or rapidly being closed down.
Just shows 20’s how we all have different opinions
As I did say, I do like Marv but yesterday he seemed a shadow of his former self (IMO)
 
Just shows 20’s how we all have different opinions
As I did say, I do like Marv but yesterday he seemed a shadow of his former self (IMO)
whereabouts in the ground do you sit? I sit in the west level with the north's 18 yard line. He was majestic with his reading of the game and defending. Second half, when we really went off the boil and at the south end he seemed to create more problems for himself when on the ball.
 
whereabouts in the ground do you sit? I sit in the west level with the north's 18 yard line. He was majestic with his reading of the game and defending. Second half, when we really went off the boil and at the south end he seemed to create more problems for himself when on the ball.
Yeah he's such a good defender. He did take way too much time on the ball a couple of times but most of the problem was that he had no one to pass to. Only Norburn was moving and if a couple of Burton players stuck to him, no one else showed for it until Dale came on.
 
I think Connolly as a more defensive-minded wing back might be the plan. Unai Emery's Villa team play the same way, with one of their wing-backs an out-and-out winger and the other a pure defender. It's lob-sided but maybe it's a trend we're at the cutting edge of!

Carey did okay today. Some nice touches and always puts the work in. Was it not him that put Beesley through after 25 seconds?
Connolly at LWB only happened v Hibs. I reckon it was an emergency reaction by Critch having lost faith with Thommo post Morecambe and deciding not to play Lyons due to some issue (like he wants to leave). With Gab injured and so breakable we need at least one new WB and 2 if Lyons departs.

Carey's performance needs addressing by Critch. It was certainly affected by CC playing as an orthodox FB which meant Carey dropped deeper i think? I suspect Critch wanted him in an 8 role like Morgan. (Did Carey play to instructions or not?) Norburn no doubt did too, he was picking out Morgan but not getting the forward runs from Sonny as much. It was probably all caused by having CC at LWB.

Proper wing backs on both sides is our greatest need I think. CC and CJ patently not what's needed.
 
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Carey's frustrating because he has a good touch, pass, and shot on him but he doesn't seem to have a big influence on the game. Norburn and Morgan both had moments where they stamped their authority with a run or a forward pass, Carey has always seemed a bit passive.

I did think the inverted wing backs was a bit silly. I think I'd rather have brain fart Thompson at LWB than Connelly and that's nothing against Connolly, I could see him filling in at RCB if Pennington isn't fit. I was happy with CJ at RWB, he isn't great defensively but he has a good recovery with his pace and he's a threat going forward, looks confident too.
 
We have a LWB it’s Andy Lyons. Hopefully picked to start sooner rather than later.
Let's see. I cant see how you pick Connolly ahead of him at wing back unless there is an issue. My guess is that he knows of interest from Championship clubs and wants to move. I hope not though. Hopefully just a bit of Critch safety first weirdness.
 
Honestly looks like Norburn and Morgan have gelled really well. Norburn was always looking for Morgan and they just click. Somewhat means Carey was bypassed at times, in a position much further back than we know he should probably be playing.

Hopefully Carey and Norburn can be paired in training a little big more and build that relationship up.
 
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