Spiking of drinks

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hampshire_exile

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I was having a chat with my daughter and son this weekend about spiking. If even half of what they are saying is right, then clearly it’s a serious issue.

Its got to the point where some of my daughter’s mates, rather than head to the Student Union for big Halloween parties, are having house parties so they can control who is coming in. And my son is hearing that it’s an issue at events at his Uni.

This is just totally beyond me
 
Need to give out some serious sentences to the purpotraitors to halt it.
Spiking drinks has been around a long time but it was usually for sex(rape) this seems totally random and the increase in cases seem to off the scale from when I was clubbing.
 
hampshire_exile said:
I was having a chat with my daughter and son this weekend about spiking. If even half of what they are saying is right, then clearly it’s a serious issue.

Its got to the point where some of my daughter’s mates, rather than head to the Student Union for big Halloween parties, are having house parties so they can control who is coming in. And my son is hearing that it’s an issue at events at his Uni.

This is just totally beyond me
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Had the same conversation with my 22 year old daughter, and she said it was quite a common occurrence, and plenty of young women she sees out in bars / clubs, tend to keep their drinks covered in some way.
Shouldn't be the case where going out is worrying for them, but not sure how the clubs can police it.
 
They've even started injecting it into clubbers I saw on the news recently which is utterly disgraceful which sick barsteward goes out carrying a hypodermic needle.
 
I'm never sure how much of this is spiking rather than people simply having too much to drink, this is a story that keeps getting repeated every couple of years but actual documented cases of spiking seem to be remarkably thin on the ground.

This story about needles seems to be a variation on the same, whenever suspected cases are tested there's no evidence of any illicit drugs found in the results.
 
When my step-son was at Uni he ran a student bar at one of the halls (Cheltenham). For his own beer intake he went with mates to the really good real ale pubs in town ( and just outside in the villages). Those were not the places where this sort of activity happened.
 
hampshire_exile said:
I was having a chat with my daughter and son this weekend about spiking. If even half of what they are saying is right, then clearly it’s a serious issue.

Its got to the point where some of my daughter’s mates, rather than head to the Student Union for big Halloween parties, are having house parties so they can control who is coming in. And my son is hearing that it’s an issue at events at his Uni.

This is just totally beyond me
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Yes, my daughter is at Durham, and there were 240 cases reported to the Student Union in Freshers week.
 
Wizaard said:
Because that's where the spiking is occurring. They want additional vigilance on entry by the staff.
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I suppose it’s quite difficult (without strip searching every individual) to prevent a determined ‘spiker’ entering the premises.

Surely personal responsibility and common sense is the key here? I mean how hard can it be to take responsibility / care of your own drink?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I suppose it’s quite difficult (without strip searching every individual) to prevent a determined ‘spiker’ entering the premises.

Surely personal responsibility and common sense is the key here? I mean how hard can it be to take responsibility / care of your own drink?
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Don't disagree but it's a poor do if you can't leave a drink on a table for a moment, never mind someone stick a hypodermic needle in you.
 
Wizaard said:
Don't disagree but it's a poor do if you can't leave a drink on a table for a moment, never mind someone stick a hypodermic needle in you.
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It is a poor do, but the pubs clubs are victims in this as well really and it’s not like this is a particularly new phenomenon… People were spiking drinks when I was clubbing….

The hypodermic needle thing is obviously taking things to a different level altogether, but is that really happening or just urban myth?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It is a poor do, but the pubs clubs are victims in this as well really and it’s not like this is a particularly new phenomenon… People were spiking drinks when I was clubbing….

The hypodermic needle thing is obviously taking things to a different level altogether, but is that really happening or just urban myth?
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www.unilad.co.uk

Drink Spiking Branded An ‘Epidemic’ As Shocking Statistics Reveal How Many Young Women Are Targeted

<p>A survey conducted by the Alcohol Education Trust has revealed how many young women are targeted by spiking. The issue has been branded an ‘epidemic’ by Helena Conibear, the head of the Alcohol Education Trust (AET), as countless social media users have taken to various platforms to share...
www.unilad.co.uk www.unilad.co.uk

It comes as no surprise to see that those who reported it to the police found nothing was done.
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
No doubt there will be some that can't handle their drink but to actually question if it's an issue is seriously wide of the mark. There should be a clear tough jail sentence for anyone spiking or injecting someone - clearly it's premeditated and with a view to rape.
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I've seen this story crop in the media every year or so for at least the last 20 years, I can't say that I've ever heard of a conviction relating to it, in fact a quick google reveals (for Scotland in 2018): https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-46465732

There has not been a single conviction for drink-spiking over the past five years.

Which isn't to say it doesn't happen, but reports of hundreds of cases of it in one week at a single institution seems implausible to me.
 
If the students themselves say there's a problem, then I'll go with that, as they're the ones that will know. What have they got to gain by making it up?
Those who doubt the claims, the only way to confirm 100%, is for urine/blood samples to be taken at the time of the occurrence & unless the police are involved, who's going to do that?
Those responsible, are predditory rapists and if caught they must face heavy sentences.
 
Wizaard said:
Don't disagree but it's a poor do if you can't leave a drink on a table for a moment, never mind someone stick a hypodermic needle in you.
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Or go for a piss or dance without some tosser Spiking your drink.

The Nightclub industry is on it's knees as it is this is only going to make it worse lock em up for anyone found drugging someone.
 
Wizaard said:
www.unilad.co.uk

Drink Spiking Branded An ‘Epidemic’ As Shocking Statistics Reveal How Many Young Women Are Targeted

<p>A survey conducted by the Alcohol Education Trust has revealed how many young women are targeted by spiking. The issue has been branded an ‘epidemic’ by Helena Conibear, the head of the Alcohol Education Trust (AET), as countless social media users have taken to various platforms to share...
www.unilad.co.uk www.unilad.co.uk

It comes as no surprise to see that those who reported it to the police found nothing was done.
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Maybe it’s just me, but I’m struggling to grasp how they would know that they had been spiked by a needle.

Maybe some kind of cameras / facial recognition on entry / exit of these types of places is required.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Maybe it’s just me, but I’m struggling to grasp how they would know that they had been spiked by a needle.

Maybe some kind of cameras / facial recognition on entry / exit of these types of places is required.
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Easy to solve with Face recognition.
I spoke to a large bar chain about this a few weeks ago but they didn’t want to commit to the spend.

Just like the Gambling companies that go on about responsible gambling. I addressed a conference about 5 years ago attended by the home office. The software solution to stop the problem in bookies (online is easier) existed but again despite their campaigns they didn’t want to spend and their best income was irresponsible gamblers.
(I ran a successful trial at William Hill shops in Manchester too as evidence)

It’s all the same bollux as Twitter snd Facecloth saying they are solving the issues when mandatory registration with passport would fix overnight. Spin spin spin
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Surely it ought to be a serious criminal offence to be caught in possession of rohypnol?
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I've taken it but in a very small does when younger it's like popping one ecstasy or having 3 at the same time.
Another clubbing drug not just to try and rape someone.
 
bfcpete said:
Worrying that is so widespread and shows a large number of offenders across the country
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Is it?

Or is this the same media frenzy we've seen every year for the last 20+ years?

This from 2005: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259503638_Drink_Spiking_Report

3.1 Introduction
There has been much media attention in recent years, both in the UK and abroad, relating to drink spiking and associated sexual assault. Some authors have argued that the media has provided sensationalist headlines on the subject at the expense of hard evidence, with little information regarding the prevalence of drink spiking existing either here or overseas.

3.4 Discussion
Comment
No reliable estimates for surreptitious drug administration or drug-facilitated sexual assault currently exist for the UK. Some media articles had attempted to quantify drink spiking but estimates depended upon the information source. Despite this lack of reliable estimate, a number of both media and scientific articles stated that the practice was on the increase. Scientific articles from the US particularly tended to overplay the threat, whilst articles fromthe UK tended to be more balanced. The fact that the scale of the problem is largely unknown is of concern and is currently being addressed by the Home Office who have recently initiated a study aimed at forensically analysing samples from individuals claiming to have been sexually assaulted
 
It's been so called happening for years, but in all my pub and club days of the late 80s through the 90s I've never heard first hand that it's happened. It begs the question, why would anyone spike another's drink? If its to sexually assault a female how will that happen if she's with a group of mates and secondly I don't believe there are that many sickos out there for it to be a commonplace event. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I can't see it being endemic.
 
It’s a sad state of affairs, what happened to good old fashioned charm and the art of persuasion, the gradual wearing down over the course of an evening whilst the alcohol kicked in.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Is it?

Or is this the same media frenzy we've seen every year for the last 20+ years?

This from 2005: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259503638_Drink_Spiking_Report

3.1 Introduction
There has been much media attention in recent years, both in the UK and abroad, relating to drink spiking and associated sexual assault. Some authors have argued that the media has provided sensationalist headlines on the subject at the expense of hard evidence, with little information regarding the prevalence of drink spiking existing either here or overseas.

3.4 Discussion
Comment
No reliable estimates for surreptitious drug administration or drug-facilitated sexual assault currently exist for the UK. Some media articles had attempted to quantify drink spiking but estimates depended upon the information source. Despite this lack of reliable estimate, a number of both media and scientific articles stated that the practice was on the increase. Scientific articles from the US particularly tended to overplay the threat, whilst articles fromthe UK tended to be more balanced. The fact that the scale of the problem is largely unknown is of concern and is currently being addressed by the Home Office who have recently initiated a study aimed at forensically analysing samples from individuals claiming to have been sexually assaulted
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You're determined to say its not happening. Why?

Is it that whole blaming the victims thing that seems so prevalent these days?
 
Wizaard said:
You're determined to say its not happening. Why?

Is it that whole blaming the victims thing that seems so prevalent these days?
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Because it's the same damn story we've heard every year for the last 20+ years and your third hand annecdotes don't change that.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Because it's the same damn story we've heard every year for the last 20+ years and your third hand annecdotes don't change that.
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They're not third hand. I spoke to one of the girls affected. Carry on with your misogynistic nonsense. I wouldn't expect anything less.
 
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Bingley, Saturday night, Nightclub sealed off and closed whilst 30 Police searched everyone for those who had spiked two young girls. Fortunately both were treated and were fine. So, to those who say it doesn't happen, It does.
 
Curryman said:
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Bingley, Saturday night, Nightclub sealed off and closed whilst 30 Police searched everyone for those who had spiked two young girls. Fortunately both were treated and were fine. So, to those who say it doesn't happen, It does.
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There’s no question it happens, just like there is no question that pretty much every woman / girl will be subjected to unwanted sexual harassment, sexual abuse or rape during their lifetime (and often multiple times). The trouble is that plenty of people do want to live in denial or shift the blame.

The young kids in nightclubs do need to take some responsibility for their own safety and well being and the booze culture we have doesn’t really help, but we can’t allow these weirdos to be getting away with tampering with drinks or injecting people (which I still find incredible)….. Harsh sentences need to be handed out for anyone caught at this.
 
Curryman said:
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Bingley, Saturday night, Nightclub sealed off and closed whilst 30 Police searched everyone for those who had spiked two young girls. Fortunately both were treated and were fine. So, to those who say it doesn't happen, It does.
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So the police are taking it seriously, that's good to know.

However, there is no way on earth that the police could've carried out the toxicology tests required to establish if it was a case of spiking or simply too much alcohol (or other explanation) in the time frame available, thus this does not show what you think it shows.

Which is not to say that it doesn't happen, just that it's a lot less widespread than the headlines make out.


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Police statement on the incident: https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news...lice-statement-bingley-spiking-three-22034621

DI Suzanne Hall, of Bradford District CID, said it was too soon to confirm if any of the women involved had been the victim of spiking as officers are still waiting to receive the results of toxicology reports.

"It can take some time to get full toxicology results and at this time we cannot confirm whether any of these females have been the victim of spiking.
 
Chunkylad said:
Easy to solve with Face recognition.
I spoke to a large bar chain about this a few weeks ago but they didn’t want to commit to the spend.

Just like the Gambling companies that go on about responsible gambling. I addressed a conference about 5 years ago attended by the home office. The software solution to stop the problem in bookies (online is easier) existed but again despite their campaigns they didn’t want to spend and their best income was irresponsible gamblers.
(I ran a successful trial at William Hill shops in Manchester too as evidence)

It’s all the same bollux as Twitter snd Facecloth saying they are solving the issues when mandatory registration with passport would fix overnight. Spin spin spin
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Brilliant post.
 
My daughter is at Uni and has experienced this amongst her peers though not directly.
Many students have reported being spiked with a needle. It’s impossible to defend yourself against this in a nightclub where it’s dimly lit and packed with other people. You have to move in close proximity to others.

There’s security cameras in nightclubs but spiking someone is a very discreet act and hard to spot. I’m not sure why or how facial recognition would make any difference. It’s not the case that they have the faces of the perpetrators and can’t subsequently identify them.

Going slightly off topic, facial recognition for bookmakers makes almost zero sense. Most problems gamblers carry on problem gambling until its far too late. They don’t get banned. They will perhaps self exclude when they’ve reached a desperate stage. But if they’re a gambling addict they can find other ways to bet even if somehow they couldn’t access a betting shop. So it’s a sledgehammer to not even crack a nut. All it would do is shift the problem from a shop to another betting opportunity.

In most situations you have to consent to have your data used under GDPR. Having some big brother camera facial recognition system proposed for various issues is OTT and unnecessary and breaches our civil rights to move around without having our faces checked disproportionately. I think the technology has a place eg to help identify terrorists at an airport. But it should be used very selectively and carefully, and underpinned by relevant legislation. I’m not sure why there’s this willingness to be tracked, microchipped and monitored at every step. It doesn’t sit easy with me.

Anyways, spiking with needles is a tricky one. It’s a fairly recent variation on drink spiking. So the authorities and stakeholders need some time to adapt the protections.

Personal responsibility isn’t really relevant as referenced by someone above when suggesting folk should watch how much they drink. You can be as responsible as you like but that won’t stop you getting spiked with a needle. They wouldn’t need to target the blind drunk as they’re already incapacitated. They’re targeting folk in order to incapacitate them.

The clubs can start doing searches perhaps. That’s within the law and proportionate especially in venues where spiking has previously been reported.

The other thing that can be done is for clubbers to have a buddy system. So for example, if a group of 8 ladies go out, they could and should buddy up beforehand. This is already an established process. As a buddy you’re responsible for keeping an eye on your buddy and vice versa. If someone is spiked then there will be a buddy friend who will become aware and step in to help rather than have a perpetrator try to accost the spiked person. If you’re in a group of 8 and don’t have buddies it’s easy to later realise that one of your party has gone missing.
 
My lord, the guy in here incredulous that spiking of drinks is an issue (do you own stock in Rohypnol?), really strange thing to doubt, I sort of get it if your angle is you couldn't imagine yourself doing such a thing, it is hard to imagine the mindset of a person, or the motivation (purely sexual gratification?, they're THAT horny?), I could easily imagine it as a pathology that certain males have, sadly, people come from warped environments and their actions reflect that.

I wouldn't be entirely comfortable with my daughter going to bars, in America though there isn't the same drinking culture, it's a bit more puritan and even at age 20 they show no interest. I also didn't partake in uni drinking culture (Salford Uni, 2001), remember hearing that on the first night Jason Donovan was going to be in the student union and I thought "better stay away from there". Bars seem to be a salt-lick for dangerous people though, always have been, The Krays, Jeffrey Dahmer, Phil Mitchell, i'd suggest drinking at home instead, there's more food options at home and Phil Mitchell won't be there.
 
Who knows?
If you were sat in a quiet library and someone injected you, you’d likely feel it. That’s perhaps why there’s not been spate of lady pensioners spiked in the local library, as they peruse the latest Mills and Bloom, and ponder whether love will ever come for them again; whilst at the same time trying to suppress the gnawing feeling of guilt that they’re somehow betraying their one true love Alfie who died some years ago after a marriage which lasted 50 plus years. Anyway, I digress.

These girls either do feel it or they don’t feel it. Not every girl will have the same experience. It depends on various factors. Eg do they abuse Mayonnaise.

But let’s consider why they might not feel it:-

A) I felt one of my Covid jabs but felt nothing on the other. The first one was agony. The second was imperceptible. Purely based on that I judged the first nurse to be a clueless clumsy heavy handed nasty uncaring battle ax. Whereas the one who did the second injection was a lovely caring competent professional and an all round wonderful person. Anyway, I digress.

B) They’re not injected in a quiet library. It’s a noisy busy environment where their senses are being bombarded. There’s loud music, bright flashing lights, people bumping into them, and there’s the possible numbing effect of alcohol. They also don’t roll up their sleeves and present their arm for injection. So presumably the injection may for some have to pierce clothing first. This could reduce the impact.

C) the needles may be very thin so less likely to be felt.

D) girls with fatter legs (Mayo abusers), buttocks and arms may also be less likely to feel the injection.

So that’s a few reasons why they may not feel it. But perhaps some do feel it. We don’t know. Some may later report they felt being spiked. But more likely is that even if they do feel it, one effect of the drug is to remove their short term memory. They will eventually recover and have no recollection of what happened over the previous few hours. So the memory of being spiked, it it were ever there, is likely to be suppressed.

With regards to identifying the perpetrators, we could do a lot worse than apprehending men carrying long umbrellas. We’ve all seen the spy films where they use the umbrella to inject their target. I suspect this has been picked up on by these predators and they’ve adopted the technique for their perversion. I always knew there was something extremely dodgy about men who fetishise over James Bond movies.
 
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