Stay European!

If cat wants to label themself as European I really dont see how that is nasty, full of bile or anything else that anyone could be offended by, just their choice. Why would anyone get annoyed by it, we can all put whatever we want, they aren't going to come round and do a DNA test on us.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The census doesn't request depth of feeling, just factual information. For instance, I haven't got the form yet but if two options are allowed I will put European and British. I was born in England to British Parents and I have lived my life in Europe.
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Tangojoe said:
It does, unless as cat says you show your nationality as 'other', in which case you can add European, but then that would be both inaccurate and denying you are British.
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and falsifying a legal document
 
The question is.
How do YOU describe your nationality?
Writing European in answer can not be described as falsifying anything.
Like I said, it is your choice how you answer this question.
 
Yes cat, we’re part of Europe as a continent, but your British, now just own it you weirdo.
 
gjr69 said:
At what point does having a different opinion become hatred and who decides where that line is drawn?
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Yes it’s a fair point. CISA’s mildly uncontroversial post about the census is dismissed as nasty and abusive by a certain poster who then starts imagining all sorts of things about said poster’s state of mind and ability to do his job.
The lack of self-awareness is quite extraordinary.
 
basilrobbie said:
Indeed. Can you imagine 20s behaving like this in public? He'd get decked in no time.
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behave like what? I'd guess Cat wouldn't be allowed to get away with half of what he writes if it were said on a national media website.
L’étranger said:
Yes it’s a fair point. CISA’s mildly uncontroversial post about the census is dismissed as nasty and abusive by a certain poster who then starts imagining all sorts of things about said poster’s state of mind and ability to do his job.
The lack of self-awareness is quite extraordinary.
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I think you'll find it was the o/p who used the term "nasty and abusive" but hey let's not let facts get in the way eh!
 
20togo said:
behave like what? I'd guess Cat wouldn't be allowed to get away with half of what he writes if it were said on a national media website.

I think you'll find it was the o/p who used the term "nasty and abusive" but hey let's not let facts get in the way eh!
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Quite right. You actually accused him of being a Communist and implied he was a liar.
 
coppiceman said:
Quite right. You actually accused him of being a Communist and implied he was a liar.
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If he used the emblem of the Communist party as his avatar on another forum then why should I not assume that to be the case? Do keep up.
 
catinstalbans said:
As we fill the census returns in over the next week there is the opportunity to take a stand and make a small protest at the rights which have been stripped away from us since leaving the EU. Everyone can declare themselves European on the national identity question by ticking the box marked other, and then writing European in the space below. You can tick more than one box, so it is perfectly acceptable to identify as British European, English European or Welsh, Scottish or Northern Ireland European too if that fits.
A tiny protest but one which will remain on record for the next 10 years as the Brexit disaster and it's attack on our rights as citizens and the devastating effects on our economy plays out. I recommend this action to everyone.
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Why on earth would you want to be part of this dog shit organisation.
 
basilrobbie said:
Indeed. Can you imagine 20s behaving like this in public? He'd get decked in no time.
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You raise an interesting point.
Yep, I can imagine being in a pub with friends and talking over the usual stuff, you know, football, cricket golf, music, holidays etc. Even a bit of politics thrown in although I'm not sure that's a subject that gets talked about too often. Imagine then if a random stranger came over and stood with us and started talking about politics and spouting his political beliefs non stop.messages. I reckon we'd think, wow, who is this guy? I think we'd say leave it mate were just here for a drink and a chat. But then he just kept repeating the same old stuff talking just about the same old stuff and constantly interrupting your enjoyment Think you'd tell him after a while to go and annoy some-one else. He then left the pub.
Then a few days later you're back in the pub with your same mates. You look around and there's a few people you recognise, you nod to them and pass a few minutes with them talking about football again, things like the EPL, the golf, the players etc. And in walks the same guy who walks up to you and once again starts talking about just what he wants to talk about. You ask him if he ever talks about anything else and he answers no and then he starts again talking about the only thing he seems to care about. God it's boring, but hey it's your local why should you leave and go some-where else. Eventually he leaves.

Now this scenario carries on day after day, week after week, year after year. Jeez, why does this guy keep coming into the pub and saying the same old stuff all in a rather unpleasant and nasty manner. So who gets "decked" Robbie? Who's the guilty party? Me or my mates for telling him to fuck off saying we are sick of his one agenda, one topic and nothing to say about anything else.
All an entirely feasible scenario which could well be played out in public But hey, in your eyes, it's all my fault.
 
catinstalbans said:
The blame others for your own actions argument in a nutshell.
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Not at all. Robbie raised the matter of it being in public.And that's how I see it. Why would I get decked for being in a pub with my own mates. It's not me that's causing the problem. I talk about the same things when I'm out with mates that I do on here. I'd guess you talk about many other topics when you're out socialising too. But on here you don't, it's just the same old,same old.
My advice, take it or leave it, would be try and bring something else to the table.
 
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20togo said:
You raise an interesting point.
Yep, I can imagine being in a pub with friends and talking over the usual stuff, you know, football, cricket golf, music, holidays etc. Even a bit of politics thrown in although I'm not sure that's a subject that gets talked about too often. Imagine then if a random stranger came over and stood with us and started talking about politics and spouting his political beliefs non stop.messages. I reckon we'd think, wow, who is this guy? I think we'd say leave it mate were just here for a drink and a chat. But then he just kept repeating the same old stuff talking just about the same old stuff and constantly interrupting your enjoyment Think you'd tell him after a while to go and annoy some-one else. He then left the pub.
Then a few days later you're back in the pub with your same mates. You look around and there's a few people you recognise, you nod to them and pass a few minutes with them talking about football again, things like the EPL, the golf, the players etc. And in walks the same guy who walks up to you and once again starts talking about just what he wants to talk about. You ask him if he ever talks about anything else and he answers no and then he starts again talking about the only thing he seems to care about. God it's boring, but hey it's your local why should you leave and go some-where else. Eventually he leaves.

Now this scenario carries on day after day, week after week, year after year. Jeez, why does this guy keep coming into the pub and saying the same old stuff all in a rather unpleasant and nasty manner. So who gets "decked" Robbie? Who's the guilty party? Me or my mates for telling him to fuck off saying we are sick of his one agenda, one topic and nothing to say about anything else.
All an entirely feasible scenario which could well be played out in public But hey, in your eyes, it's all my fault.
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It's an interesting analogy.

I think a more realistic one would be one where you go in the pub with a few mates. You rearrange the seating, bollock the chef for using French words on the menu, call the landlord a Commie for having red beermats, demand everybody stand up while you put the National Anthem on the jukebox , go to the door every so often to shake your fist at random pedestrians, harangue the old bloke in the corner for remarks that he made in 1974, before picking a fight with a new face because he asks you to keep the noise down.

You look round to your mates for back up, only to find that they have all sneaked out the back door and are by now half way to the Red Lion. At this point the new bloke decks you. It's nothing serious, but the sequence starts all over again when the paramedics arrive and you start in on them for being late, query their diagnosis, blah blah, blah.........
 
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basilrobbie said:
It's an interesting analogy.

I think a more realistic one would be one where you go in the pub with a few mates. You rearrange the seating, bollock the chef for using French words on the menu, call the landlord a Commie for having red beermats, demand everybody stand up while you put the National Anthem on the jukebox , go to the door every so often to shake your fist at random pedestrians, harangue the old bloke in the corner for remarks that he made in 1974, before picking a fight with a new face because he ask you to keep the noise down.

You look round to your mates for back up, only to find that they have all sneaked out the back door and are by now half way to the Red Lion. At this point the new bloke decks you. It's nothing serious, but the sequence starts all over again when the paramedics arrive and you start in on them for being late, query their diagnosis, blah blah, blah.........
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mildly amusing but you raised a serious point questioning me and now you want to trivialise it. See my previous post replying to the o/p.
 
basilrobbie said:
It's an interesting analogy.

I think a more realistic one would be one where you go in the pub with a few mates. You rearrange the seating, bollock the chef for using French words on the menu, call the landlord a Commie for having red beermats, demand everybody stand up while you put the National Anthem on the jukebox , go to the door every so often to shake your fist at random pedestrians, harangue the old bloke in the corner for remarks that he made in 1974, before picking a fight with a new face because he ask you to keep the noise down.

You look round to your mates for back up, only to find that they have all sneaked out the back door and are by now half way to the Red Lion. At this point the new bloke decks you. It's nothing serious, but the sequence starts all over again when the paramedics arrive and you start in on them for being late, query their diagnosis, blah blah, blah.........
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Haha! And without having to resort to hyperbole!

I think the most important lessons to be learned in order to get the best out of AVFTT are:

1. Your own opinion really isn`t that important, but how you convey it is.

2. Listen to other people`s points of view and consider them

3.Address each poster as an individual, avoid labels, and try not to personalise things.

4. Never respond to those that may have self-esteem issues and only want to take it out on someone else - they will have to find someone else to bicker with, and they rarely bring anything to the table anyway.

I suspect the odd one or two on here who constantly like to give in large would actually be a lot more respectful in real life...
 
My original point wasn't really very serious. You do seem lacking in a sense of humour, although I'm sure in real life you're not.

And I wasn't being wholly trivial either. I'd say that you are the among the most argumentative AND judgemental posters on AVFTT and seem able to fall out with almost anyone at the drop of a hat. I know it doesn't bother you, of course.
 
basilrobbie said:
My original point wasn't really very serious. You do seem lacking in a sense of humour, although I'm sure in real life you're not.

And I wasn't being wholly trivial either. I'd say that you are the among the most argumentative AND judgemental posters on AVFTT and seem able to fall out with almost anyone at the drop of a hat. I know it doesn't bother you, of course.
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perhaps you missed the part of my post which said it was mildly amusing.Maybe it was your prejudice that didn't see that though. No problem, 👍
 
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Davepick said:
Whatever anyone says, we are in Europe geographically, so we are Europeans.
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Whatever anyone says we are from planet Earth, so why not say we are Earthlings? 😆 I feel most people prefer to be a bit more specific with their nationality as opposed to the continent they are from. And it was shandypants who didn't like the notion of man made borders and be it, English, British or European they are all man made borders.
 
basilrobbie said:
My original point wasn't really very serious. You do seem lacking in a sense of humour, although I'm sure in real life you're not.

And I wasn't being wholly trivial either. I'd say that you are the among the most argumentative AND judgemental posters on AVFTT and seem able to fall out with almost anyone at the drop of a hat. I know it doesn't bother you, of course.
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Oh and of course Cat comes on here and is a barrel of laughs. But hey, you keep "decking" me if it suits you to do so.
 
Thelaneends1 said:
We are not European, never have been and never will be so you weirdos who want to be part of the Europe family need to move over there.
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Providing proof that you are rubbish at geography AND history in a one line post. That's impressive.
 
catinstalbans said:
As we fill the census returns in over the next week there is the opportunity to take a stand and make a small protest at the rights which have been stripped away from us since leaving the EU. Everyone can declare themselves European on the national identity question by ticking the box marked other, and then writing European in the space below. You can tick more than one box, so it is perfectly acceptable to identify as British European, English European or Welsh, Scottish or Northern Ireland European too if that fits.
A tiny protest but one which will remain on record for the next 10 years as the Brexit disaster and it's attack on our rights as citizens and the devastating effects on our economy plays out. I recommend this action to everyone.
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Only just realised you’re a spoof poster.....well played, take my hat off to you👍
 
Thelaneends1 said:
We are not European, never have been and never will be so you weirdos who want to be part of the Europe family need to move over there.
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Not European? Never have been? Let’s start with the Romans, shall we? They first visited in 55BC, then returned with armies in 43AD and liked it so much they stayed for about 400 years marrying into the local tribes. You have heard of Britannicus, the Roman name for our islands? So even “Britain” has an Italian derivation.
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Roman conquest of Britain - Wikipedia

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You do recall the Anglo-Saxon tribes who moved over here in large numbers from Germany in the 6thC AD after the Romans left? And, in doing so, pushed the original Celtic tribes out to the fringes of Cornwall, Wales, Ireland, Scotland etc.
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Anglo-Saxons - Wikipedia

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Followed by the Vikings from Norway and Denmark who turned up on the east coast in numbers from the 8thC forming the Danelaw (York=Jorvik) and for several hundred years sailed around the north coast of Scotland down into the Irish Sea settling along the way and taking over the Scottish islands and coast, Lancashire, the Isle of Man and the Dublin area in the 11thC.
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Vikings - Wikipedia

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Followed by the Normans (descended from the Viking, Rollo) who invaded southern England from Normandy in 1066. After that there were numerous smaller and more peaceful migrations over the centuries such as the Angevins, Huguenots (from France) etc.

So, even if you think of yourself as white British, anyone who does not have pure Celtic or Pictish Scot forebears is basically European in heritage, at least in part and probably mostly. But I like to think of us as polylinear British with strong European strands. Get yourself one of those Ancestry DNA tests and your gene group findings might challenge your narrow view. It’s even possible there might be a strong strand of Arab in you. Go on, I dare you.
 
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catinstalbans said:
As we fill the census returns in over the next week there is the opportunity to take a stand and make a small protest at the rights which have been stripped away from us since leaving the EU. Everyone can declare themselves European on the national identity question by ticking the box marked other, and then writing European in the space below. You can tick more than one box, so it is perfectly acceptable to identify as British European, English European or Welsh, Scottish or Northern Ireland European too if that fits.
A tiny protest but one which will remain on record for the next 10 years as the Brexit disaster and it's attack on our rights as citizens and the devastating effects on our economy plays out. I recommend this action to everyone.
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Just filled out ours and we both opted to see ourselves as European. Thanks for the tip. 👍
 
Archibald Knox said:
Not European? Never have been? Let’s start with the Romans, shall we? They first visited in 55BC, then returned with armies in 43AD and liked it so much they stayed for about 400 years marrying into the local tribes. You have heard of Britannicus, the Roman name for our islands? So even “Britain” has an Italian derivation.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Roman conquest of Britain - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
You do recall the Anglo-Saxon tribes who moved over here in large numbers from Germany in the 6thC AD after the Romans left? And, in doing so, pushed the original Celtic tribes out to the fringes of Cornwall, Wales, Ireland, Scotland etc.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Anglo-Saxons - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
Followed by the Vikings from Norway and Denmark who turned up on the east coast in numbers from the 8thC forming the Danelaw (York=Jorvik) and for several hundred years sailed around the north coast of Scotland down into the Irish Sea settling along the way and taking over the Scottish islands and coast, Lancashire, the Isle of Man and the Dublin area in the 11thC.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Vikings - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org
Followed by the Normans (descended from the Viking, Rollo) who invaded southern England from Normandy in 1066. After that there were numerous smaller and more peaceful migrations over the centuries such as the Angevins, Huguenots (from France) etc.

So, even if you think of yourself as white British, anyone who does not have pure Celtic or Pictish Scot forebears is basically European in heritage, at least in part and probably mostly. But I like to think of us as polylinear British with strong European strands. Get yourself one of those Ancestry DNA tests and your gene group findings might challenge your narrow view. It’s even possible there might be a strong strand of Arab in you. Go on, I dare you.
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I did. Fascinating stuff. What you say above is spot on in my case though I am 100% Briton which is a bit of a rarity. Was hoping for a bit of Marius or Ivor the boneless.
 
catinstalbans said:
As we fill the census returns in over the next week there is the opportunity to take a stand and make a small protest at the rights which have been stripped away from us since leaving the EU. Everyone can declare themselves European on the national identity question by ticking the box marked other, and then writing European in the space below. You can tick more than one box, so it is perfectly acceptable to identify as British European, English European or Welsh, Scottish or Northern Ireland European too if that fits.
A tiny protest but one which will remain on record for the next 10 years as the Brexit disaster and it's attack on our rights as citizens and the devastating effects on our economy plays out. I recommend this action to everyone.
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👍applied for my Irish EU passport on St Patrick’s Day - Slainte
 
catinstalbans said:
As we fill the census returns in over the next week there is the opportunity to take a stand and make a small protest at the rights which have been stripped away from us since leaving the EU. Everyone can declare themselves European on the national identity question by ticking the box marked other, and then writing European in the space below. You can tick more than one box, so it is perfectly acceptable to identify as British European, English European or Welsh, Scottish or Northern Ireland European too if that fits.
A tiny protest but one which will remain on record for the next 10 years as the Brexit disaster and it's attack on our rights as citizens and the devastating effects on our economy plays out. I recommend this action to everyone.
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So Covid has nothing to do with our current problems then?
 
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