"Stephen Dobbie's Tangerine Army"

bill40 said:
And all Critch has done since he left is eff up royally and whilst it's too soon to say if he's effing up royally again the signs aren't great. I may be right or wrong about Dobbie but it's a widely held view. There will be no honeymoon period and neither does he deserve one.
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The signs aren't great. No goals conceded and unbeaten in 4 games.

How vitriolic would it be if we conceded a goal, never mind lost a game?

@Phil_bfc deux was right. A chunk of our fans are complete idiots.
 
EPM46 said:
I watched the last few games of Quitchley's reign in the 21/22 season which were boring and predictable. I suffered almost the whole of the 22/23 season under Appleton and Dinosaur Mick, save for the last 6 games when Stephen Dobbie was handed the job as caretaker. The change was almost unbelievable. The football became exciting to watch. The players bought in to his positive team selections and his tactics. We won 3 out of 6 games including the final day's victory at Norwich
Last night's game took me back to the end of 21/22. Boring, lacking in endeavour to win the game and a team set up to not lose!
Let's hope that the Club have not made another colossal error in reappointing the man who ran away without a bye your leave!
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OOOOOOoooo hahahahahaha!!
 
EPM46 said:
I watched the last few games of Quitchley's reign in the 21/22 season which were boring and predictable. I suffered almost the whole of the 22/23 season under Appleton and Dinosaur Mick, save for the last 6 games when Stephen Dobbie was handed the job as caretaker. The change was almost unbelievable. The football became exciting to watch. The players bought in to his positive team selections and his tactics. We won 3 out of 6 games including the final day's victory at Norwich
Last night's game took me back to the end of 21/22. Boring, lacking in endeavour to win the game and a team set up to not lose!
Let's hope that the Club have not made another colossal error in reappointing the man who ran away without a bye your leave!
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What a complete load of one sided crock of shit.
 
EPM46 said:
My post is what I think. I do not expect any or all fans to agree with me. It’s just how I see it!
This is supposedly a message board to promote discussion. To suggest that it is an “Embarrassing O/P is frankly embarrassing!
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Go on explain that one to me again so I understand.

Are you saying the manager who got us promoted to the Championship in his first season, then got us to mid table in that Championship season all on a tiny budget compared to all the other teams in the league; then returns and goes 4 games unbeaten, is not the right choice for the club?

I’m sensing either you’re looking out of the nursing home window and musing on things or that you haven’t thought this through very well?
 
Chunkylad said:
Go on explain that one to me again so I understand.

Are you saying the manager who got us promoted to the Championship in his first season, then got us to mid table in that Championship season all on a tiny budget compared to all the other teams in the league; then returns and goes 4 games unbeaten, is not the right choice for the club?

I’m sensing either you’re looking out of the nursing home window and musing on things or that you haven’t thought this through very well?
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I think he/she's a bit simple
 
You could argue that against the backdrop of an entire season of disastrous non performances and results, delivering three wins out of six in the Championship was a hell of an achievement. He definitely did it in style.

Critchley clearly has very different methods to get results over a season. I know which style of football I prefer so far whatever the results end product may be.
 
clappers said:
You could argue that against the backdrop of an entire season of disastrous non performances and results, delivering three wins out of six in the Championship was a hell of an achievement. He definitely did it in style.

Critchley clearly has very different methods to get results over a season. I know which style of football I prefer so far whatever the results end product may be.
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I too loved the swashbuckling stuff but when presented the option, I’ll take conservative, methodical promotion and forego a few ooohs and ahhhhs until we get out of this frigging league.
 
What a stupid thread, it is traitorous. Dobbie is not the manager, Critchley is. Get behind the guy who has succeeded very well before and support your team. This negativity has an effect - get behind the players and stop booing them. You didn't get the manager you wanted, tough shit. That is Saddler's decision - get behind the team that we have got - who are actually unbeaten so far this season.
If Critchley fails then he will have to leave. But he won't because he is a proper coach who is very tactically aware. he is also very good at spotting and developing talent, it is worth noting that he bought the underachievers Yates and Bowler to the club, improved them and then made the club a sack full of cash on their sales. I bet you were moaning when these two were sold - that was Critchley. He is a great manager.
Failure, this time, for me would mean not getting promoted within two years. I don't expect that but let's see.
 
Don't mind Critch and I think he will sort things out, although sometimes I think he is overplaying the possession game which is statistically successful at a higher level. However, I had to visit the new pitch at Common Edge and noticed that Dobbie was there training the academy.
I stuck around for a while to watch. He had presence and respect from the lads and his fitness and ball skills were still evident.
With a that skill set and comprehension of young talent available it made me wonder why he was overlooked on this occasion.
I thought maybe Critch's contacts in the game might have had some influence but I don't see any evidence of that currently.
 
Tangerine10 said:
Don't mind Critch and I think he will sort things out, although sometimes I think he is overplaying the possession game which is statistically successful at a higher level. However, I had to visit the new pitch at Common Edge and noticed that Dobbie was there training the academy.
I stuck around for a while to watch. He had presence and respect from the lads and his fitness and ball skills were still evident.
With a that skill set and comprehension of young talent available it made me wonder why he was overlooked on this occasion.
I thought maybe Critch's contacts in the game might have had some influence but I don't see any evidence of that currently.
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So Norburn, Pennington, Morgan et al all saying they spoke to the manager and were impressed by what he had to say isn't evidence of his ability to get players in? Look again.
 
EPM46 said:
Last night's game took me back to the end of 21/22. Boring, lacking in endeavour to win the game and a team set up to not lose!
Let's hope that the Club have not made another colossal error in reappointing the man who ran away without a bye your leave!
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And this is part of the problem.

We have a small minority of fans whose precious feelings were hurt over the fact that NC didn’t say goodbye nicely and will never forgive him, who are itching, just itching, for the inevitable poor run that all teams have so that they can stick the boot in and stamp their little feet again.

I’m intrigued as to the basis on which they regard themselves as adult.
 
The biggest problem with Avftt IMO and probably football fans in general is the black and white, one extreme to the other mood swings. Its been laughable how this board was purring about how Critch is just the right man for the club and we would piss this league to the current madness after two wins and two draws and zero goals against. Utterly absurd and probably worthy of psychoanalysis.

I would have preferred Dobbie myself. A fresh start, no skeletons in the cupboard, big support from the fans, the promise of better attacking football. Move forward not back. You never know what will succeed but going back to a previous coach who succeeded is no guarantee. As we know.

You cant really blame SS for opting for him after last season though. I think Critch has come back a little bit damaged. Terrified of another failure hence even more safety conscious than before. 4 clean sheets is evidence of his priority and also his proficiency in this regard. He still struggles with the simple stuff when it comes to putting attacking players together though, and he seems to consider signing attacking players to be of less value than sorting out his defensive strategy.

Sadlers safe choice of Critch is actually very risky, because it could easily prompt a mutiny of the fanbase, and then where will he be? In a very uncomfortable and difficult place. But the fans already turning need to get a grip. We are unbeaten and it is only 3 games. The performances are not good enough but its only 3 games. Weir and Joseph havent started yet. We havent finished signing players.

Critch builds from back to front. He needs to drop CJ, and sort out his midfield 3. His two up front isnt working, we may need a loan or two in that dept. Dobbie would sort all that out much quicker I suspect. He seemed instinctively better at it. He was an instinctively talented attacking player at various levels of football himself. Critch is thorough and methodical and repetitive. Dobbs seems to see things more clearly and have better instincts. The confidence of a long and successful career in the game, I think. He properly believes in himself.
 
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I think we made a mistake by re appointing the Judas ,but it would have been a bigger one by putting Dobbie in charge . We may have won 3 of our last 6 games ,but 2 of them were through luck as we were out played in both. All he did was motivate a poor team ,to which he deserves credit, but to make him perminant manager because of 6 games would have been mad.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I think we made a mistake by re appointing the Judas ,but it would have been a bigger one by putting Dobbie in charge . We may have won 3 of our last 6 games ,but 2 of them were through luck as we were out played in both. All he did was motivate a poor team ,to which he deserves credit, but to make him perminant manager because of 6 games would have been mad.
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I agree with your overall sentiment, but calling him The Judas gives away your reticence to really support him, and by extension, the team.
 
Wizaard said:
I agree with your overall sentiment, but calling him The Judas gives away your reticence to really support him, and by extension, the team.
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The team has nothing to do with the personal dislike for someone who has earned a nickname in my eyes . I always want the team to do well even if the Judas gets the plaudits.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
I think we made a mistake by re appointing the Judas ,but it would have been a bigger one by putting Dobbie in charge . We may have won 3 of our last 6 games ,but 2 of them were through luck as we were out played in both. All he did was motivate a poor team ,to which he deserves credit, but to make him perminant manager because of 6 games would have been mad.
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What would you do if somebody offered you four times your current salary?
I would leave and take the money, am I a Judas? Almost everybody would be in that camp.
Critchley has a life away from football, nobody would care about him if he was sacked for not succeeding.
 
Wizaard said:
The signs aren't great. No goals conceded and unbeaten in 4 games.

How vitriolic would it be if we conceded a goal, never mind lost a game?

@Phil_bfc deux was right. A chunk of our fans are complete idiots.
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The lack of goals is a concern. The bizarre team selections are a concern. The rigidity of his system is a concern. Not conceding goals will keep us in the divsion but it won't get us promoted which really should be our minimum goal. His recent managerial form is also a concern. The only idiots I see are the blinkered such as yourself. I hope he gets us up but I'm not seeing how.
 
EPM46 said:
I watched the last few games of Quitchley's reign in the 21/22 season which were boring and predictable. I suffered almost the whole of the 22/23 season under Appleton and Dinosaur Mick, save for the last 6 games when Stephen Dobbie was handed the job as caretaker. The change was almost unbelievable. The football became exciting to watch. The players bought in to his positive team selections and his tactics. We won 3 out of 6 games including the final day's victory at Norwich
Last night's game took me back to the end of 21/22. Boring, lacking in endeavour to win the game and a team set up to not lose!
Let's hope that the Club have not made another colossal error in reappointing the man who ran away without a bye your leave!
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ElBurroSinNombre said:
What would you do if somebody offered you four times your current salary?
I would leave and take the money, am I a Judas? Almost everybody would be in that camp.
Critchley has a life away from football, nobody would care about him if he was sacked for not succeeding.
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No problem in someone bettering themselves . What he did was turn his back on the people that followed him without a good bye ,good luck and I don't care what happens to you , I'm off.
 
A lot of what @bill40 says are concerns are entirely reasonable, which is why he upsets folk who want to 100% back Critchley at this point in time. All they are and can ever be at this point in the season are concerns and we all have to hope and want to see things improve as frankly the last two games were mind numbingly boring. No one is saying everything is perfect but those who simply say we’ll be fine etc are just exhibiting faith and hope. More of the same on Saturday and that concern will become even more concerning and the faith and hope brigade will start feeling perhaps a little less hopeful.We simply have to be a lot more positive at home to avoid mid table mediocrity and to avoid the players losing faith and confidence which is ultimately the final arbiter of how we will do this year and why we went down last year.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
No problem in someone bettering themselves . What he did was turn his back on the people that followed him without a good bye ,good luck and I don't care what happens to you , I'm off.
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It was a clause in the contract that he signed that he couldn't make a farewell statement, it was not from what I understand a personal choice.
Diddums if he hurt your feelings, but it wasn't down to him and really what difference does it actually make? He still left.
He also made the club another sack full of cash by leaving like that.
And we got him back a year later - win /win for Blackpool!
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
It was a clause in the contract that he signed that he couldn't make a farewell statement, it was not from what I understand a personal choice.
Diddums if he hurt your feelings, but it wasn't down to him and really what difference does it actually make? He still left.
He also made the club another sack full of cash by leaving like that.
And we got him back a year later - win /win for Blackpool!
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You obviously believe anything your told .How old are you 4or 5?
 
Wizaard said:
A 4 or 5 year old cries about someone leaving for over a year.
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More likely to cry when the wicked step father comes back . Anyway this is a website of opinions and on this subject you won't change my mind. .I also hope you enjoyed the Port Vale game ,because there is more of that to come.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
More likely to cry when the wicked step father comes back . Anyway this is a website of opinions and on this subject you won't change my mind. .I also hope you enjoyed the Port Vale game ,because there is more of that to come.
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Better get used to it then as clearly, booing isn't going to change things.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
You obviously believe anything your told .How old are you 4or 5?
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I actually don't care about whether or not Critchley said a meaningless goodbye to the fans, it isn't important to me and it really makes no difference in the scheme of things, the important thing is that the club got the compo.
I certainly wouldn't hold a childish grudge like some on here seem to enjoy doing.
If he had failed and been sacked no-one would give a second thought as to whether Critchley made a statement or not.

The facts are that he left then and now he has been reappointed.
Our job as supporters is to get behind the manager and give him our backing. He won't always get everything right but we should stay united behind him - a concept that seems to be lost on some. We are in a good position after 3 games and I am sure we will improve. Critchley improves his players because he is an excellent coach, I expect to see improvements in this set of players. he has made the club at least 10 million with his transfer dealings and the compo from himself. He is a great coach and we are lucky to have him.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
I actually don't care about whether or not Critchley said a meaningless goodbye to the fans, it isn't important to me and it really makes no difference in the scheme of things, the important thing is that the club got the compo.
I certainly wouldn't hold a childish grudge like some on here seem to enjoy doing.
If he had failed and been sacked no-one would give a second thought as to whether Critchley made a statement or not.

The facts are that he left then and now he has been reappointed.
Our job as supporters is to get behind the manager and give him our backing. He won't always get everything right but we should stay united behind him - a concept that seems to be lost on some. We are in a good position after 3 games and I am sure we will improve. Critchley improves his players because he is an excellent coach, I expect to see improvements in this set of players. he has made the club at least 10 million with his transfer dealings and the compo from himself. He is a great coach and we are lucky to have him.
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Our job is not to support a manager ,but the team and if like others we think that a manager is detrimental to that team then why get behind him .Some fans have to go back to his first time at Blackpool to find anything positive about him . Ask Villa and QPR fans .
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Our job is not to support a manager ,but the team and if like others we think that a manager is detrimental to that team then why get behind him .Some fans have to go back to his first time at Blackpool to find anything positive about him . Ask Villa and QPR fans .
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Pathetic attitude. Do you think booing Critchley won't impact the team?
 
EPM46 said:
The change was almost unbelievable. The football became exciting to watch. The players bought in to his positive team selections and his tactics. We won 3 out of 6 games including the final day's victory at Norwich
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Very different when you have nothing to lose. I think Dobbie will be an excellent manager but I think you'll find Critchley is the right man (IMHO)
 
Let's get rid of Critch. Need to change the playing habits. Need exciting football I for one wanted Dobbie. Let's not lose Dobbie. 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱
 
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