Sue Gray Report

TangerineBayern said:
Now been released and contains some damning and eye opening stuff, doubt Bozzer will resign though but the damage this and some of his other misdemeanors will cause to our Democratic Constitution will be interesting 🤔
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No apparently we should be worrying more about whats going on in other countries than concentrating on the sleaze in our own.
 
There are huge echoes of 'Judge me at the end of the season ' about 'Wait until the police have finished their investigations; wait until the Sue Gray report comes out'.

Well it's out, it's a damning condemnation of the culture in the most heavily fined building in the country and he declares he's taking full responsibility, yet apparently that means smirking while saying he's humbled by the experience and 'we now need to move on'.

No shame at all.
 
Come out you rwnjs.

Come to Johnsons defence.

And please don't recite yet again "we meed to move on"

I think there's still a lot more to come out - We're only up to page 5 of Cummings' 200 page dossier.
 
Ollygon said:
Come out you rwnjs.

Come to Johnsons defence.

And please don't recite yet again "we meed to move on"

I think there's still a lot more to come out - We're only up to page 5 of Cummings' 200 page dossier.
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Are you implying there Olly that Dirty Dom Cummings has anything to do with leaking these scandals to the press?🤭🤭
 
I read it. What a depressing read. Openly discussing how to do stuff they knew was wrong without getting caught. Abusing staff, the police were there when the alarm went off, investigation into one party stopping because the police were involved and not being reopened. Boris being there again and again and again. And he has the sheer bare face cheek to call on Starmer to resign??

This is personal to us. Our story is the same as, in fact better than, many. Whilst they were partying, my wife could not see her Mum in her Care Home. By the time she could, she was in the last days of her life, she died shortly afterwards. My mum was in hospital, I wasn't allowed to visit her. My friend had Cancer, I couldn't visit her. If those bastards think I'm moving on and forgetting it, they don't know me.
 
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Tangerinemoss said:
I read it. What a depressing read. Openly discussing how to do stuff they knew was wrong without getting caught. Abusing staff, the police were there when the alarm went off, investigation into one party stopping because the police were involved and not being reopened. Boris being there again and again and again. And he has the sheer bare face cheek to call on Starmer to resign??

This is personal to us. Our story is the same as, in fact better, than many. Whilst they were partying, my wife could not see her Mum in her Care Home. By the time she could, she was in the last days of her life, she died shortly afterwards. My mum was in hospital, I wasn't allowed to visit her. My friend had Cancer, I couldn't visit her. If those bastards think I'm moving on and forgetting it, they don't know me.
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I share your anger there and there are millions who won’t move on for the same experiences you had. Listening to him blather, bluster, squirm and continue the lie all day to day was quite frankly ** embarrassing! He has lost the trust of the vast majority of Tory voters and it’s time he resigned but he won’t.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I read it. What a depressing read. Openly discussing how to do stuff they knew was wrong without getting caught. Abusing staff, the police were there when the alarm went off, investigation into one party stopping because the police were involved and not being reopened. Boris being there again and again and again. And he has the sheer bare face cheek to call on Starmer to resign??

This is personal to us. Our story is the same as, in fact better than, many. Whilst they were partying, my wife could not see her Mum in her Care Home. By the time she could, she was in the last days of her life, she died shortly afterwards. My mum was in hospital, I wasn't allowed to visit her. My friend had Cancer, I couldn't visit her. If those bastards think I'm moving on and forgetting it, they don't know me.
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Yes. My Dad's funeral tomorrow and I saw him once in the last 8 months of his life, because he was in hospital and only his wife was allowed to visit.

Stuck to the rules while they literally drank until they were sick, as you do at work events.
 
As usual the wrong questions are being asked. This shouldn't be about whether or not Johnson is a scumbag (he is) but why the entire downing street apparatus felt that partying was a safe thing to do at a time when they were trying to sell a deadly global pandemic to the public?

They knew covid was nothing special, but they all had their roles to play in reshaping the world.

Kabuki theatre from start to finish.
 
Wizaard said:
Yes. My Dad's funeral tomorrow and I saw him once in the last 8 months of his life, because he was in hospital and only his wife was allowed to visit.

Stuck to the rules while they literally drank until they were sick, as you do at work events.
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Be thinking of you tomorrow, mate. A few trite words will not see us off, there's a storm coming Boris's way.
 
GeminiPool said:
As usual the wrong questions are being asked. This shouldn't be about whether or not Johnson is a scumbag (he is) but why the entire downing street apparatus felt that partying was a safe thing to do at a time when they were trying to sell a deadly global pandemic to the public?

They knew covid was nothing special, but they all had their roles to play in reshaping the world.

Kabuki theatre from start to finish.
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How people still don't see as the biggest takeaway from politicians breaking the rules is beyond me.

They weren’t arsed at all about the threat of Covid. It’s not about who drank what, it’s just about this.

They emotionally blackmailed people by telling them they could kill granny, or “look them in the eye and tell them it’s ok to break the rules” whilst they broke their own stupid rules.

Nothing else matters bar for the above. We’ve all been had over, some more than others, which is why the above thought process isn’t being considered by many.
 
Sadly the biggest crime is to have no effective electable Opposition Party so we are faced with a Tory Majority at next GE or a Lib/Lab coalition Government which would be a much bigger problem than what we have now

Frankly I’m not getting emotionally involved like 1966, Wiz etc etc (not meant as an insult btw) as I’ll just live my life as best I can knowing that I can’t affect anything much at all. I will not just type stuff up on here or social media deluding myself that somehow I am changing a single person‘s view one iota or affecting their voting intentions at the next GE

Go easy folks
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I read it. What a depressing read. Openly discussing how to do stuff they knew was wrong without getting caught. Abusing staff, the police were there when the alarm went off, investigation into one party stopping because the police were involved and not being reopened. Boris being there again and again and again. And he has the sheer bare face cheek to call on Starmer to resign??

This is personal to us. Our story is the same as, in fact better than, many. Whilst they were partying, my wife could not see her Mum in her Care Home. By the time she could, she was in the last days of her life, she died shortly afterwards. My mum was in hospital, I wasn't allowed to visit her. My friend had Cancer, I couldn't visit her. If those bastards think I'm moving on and forgetting it, they don't know me.
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From what I've read of yours on here TM, you're a man with a conscience, A man of honour and a citizen who plays by the rules. You're a million miles away from the scum at Downing Street and their 'party' MC.
 
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This from Sky News:
The PM says some events identified in Sue Gray's report were held for the purpose of "saying goodbye to valued colleagues". He adds that "some people will think it was wrong even to do that" but "I respectfully disagree."

this whilst people weren't allowed to say their farewells to relatives dying in hospital. DYING! And that ** disrespectfully disagrees?! Where is the humility? He really does not get it, does he? Prime Minister? Prime turd more like.
 
Wizaard said:
Yes. My Dad's funeral tomorrow and I saw him once in the last 8 months of his life, because he was in hospital and only his wife was allowed to visit.

Stuck to the rules while they literally drank until they were sick, as you do at work events.
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Condolences for your loss Wiz. It's never easy losing a parent, no matter what the age. Hope tomorrow goes as well as these things can
 
If there isnt accountability in these types of issues which are plainly visible, how do we get accountability when the issues are much more opaque, it just simply points to an attitude amongst politicians where they take their exceptionalism as granted. First of all they bring in laws that are fairly draconian for the public and give enforcement agencies huge amounts of leeway to both pursue and charge. They dont obey their own rules and simply expect to be excluded from those enforcement processes, and it seems the police doffs its cap to these people because that is the expectation.

In response when the police step out of line in their pusuit of rule breakers, then government can brush it away, as policing process.

I think we have now arrived at teh point where we need separate agencies to police government, MP's, other ruling and enforcement because the systems of self policing and self governance are no longer appropriate.

Its sad that we cant move on but we shouldnt because we know from this and other recent issues that UK governance is broken, and it will only get worse.

Slightly connected, I saw a video the other day of Johnson giving a speech about inequality and how it is neccessary. he made the comment that 16% of our species have an IQ below 85, and we should expect that these people just have to expect to be at the bottom of the pile while hi level corporate execs, who in my own experience seem to make up a substantial part of that 16%, should be permitted to be as greedy as they want. its just another indicator their belief exceptionalism.
 
GeminiPool said:
As usual the wrong questions are being asked. This shouldn't be about whether or not Johnson is a scumbag (he is) but why the entire downing street apparatus felt that partying was a safe thing to do at a time when they were trying to sell a deadly global pandemic to the public?

They knew covid was nothing special, but they all had their roles to play in reshaping the world.

Kabuki theatre from start to finish.
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Let’s not forget that just weeks before some of these parties Boris Johnson was apparently lying ( not his usual kind of lying ) in an intensive care unit near deaths door and only saved by the skill and dedication of the wonderful nursing staff, so ill from COVID that he was barely seen in public for months, getting the sympathy vote. What a strange way for someone who’s suffered so badly to act showing absolutely no regard for the well being of others in light of this deadly virus. Or was it all just a big con.
 
traffordtang said:
Let’s not forget that just weeks before some of these parties Boris Johnson was apparently lying ( not his usual kind of lying ) in an intensive care unit near deaths door and only saved by the skill and dedication of the wonderful nursing staff, so ill from COVID that he was barely seen in public for months, getting the sympathy vote. What a strange way for someone who’s suffered so badly to act showing absolutely no regard for the well being of others in light of this deadly virus. Or was it all just a big con.
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That's the bit I don't get. He was actually very ill with covid, but then put himself and others in the firing line.
 
Johnson is a lying little ** who's only qualification for power is privilege, without this he'd struggle to find any gainful employment in a true meritocracy, he makes a mockery of every position his connections have handed him, if he had any respect for the position, his party, the electorate or even himself he'd fall on his sword, but he has none, for anyone, because he's a **.

Anyone care to argue his case, beyond 'let's move on there's a war innit'? No? Didn't ** think so.

If we take him at face value for a moment (stop laughing at the back) his excuse that he didn't know anyone was breaking the rules, while highly unlikely, appears to be an admission of 'I have no ** clue what I'm doing, I literally didn't listen through countless meetings, new conferences, press releases or cabinet meetings, I couldn't grasp the same rules that every other person in the country understood, the rules my own administration put in place, I'm quite literally an incompetent fool'.

Johnson, his staff, those who enabled him, those who financed him and those who voted for him should all hang their heads in shame for giving this odious boy child the ability to run amok through this country's morals.
 
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RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
That's the bit I don't get. He was actually very ill with covid, but then put himself and others in the firing line.
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Except he didn't, the PM followed the rules with one minor exception, it was the Civil Servants who decided to turn Downing Street into a nightclub, apparently behind the PM's back.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Johnson is a lying little ** who's only qualification for power is privilege, without this he'd struggle to find any gainful employment in a true meritocracy, he makes a mockery of every position his connections have handed him, if he had any respect for the position, his party, the electorate or even himself he'd fall on his sword, but he has none, for anyone, because he's a **.

Anyone care to argue his case, beyond 'let's move on there's a war innit'? No? Didn't ** think so.

Johnson, his staff, those who enabled him, those who financed him and those who voted for him should all hang their heads in shame for giving this odious boy child the ability to run amok through this country's morals.
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People had the choice of Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn….don’t blame the people (electorate) Lytham….what did you want them to do?……if the choice is eat one plate of dogshit or two then a lot of people will choose the least terrible option
 
Bloodtangerine said:
People had the choice of Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn….don’t blame the people (electorate) Lytham….what did you want them to do?……if the choice is eat one plate of dogshit or two then a lot of people will choose the least terrible option
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That's bollocks and anyway, can you tell me how Corbyn would have been worse?

You don't get to vote for someone and then get to absolve yourself from any responsibility when they turn out to be a shambolic pathological lying fraudster.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Except he didn't, the PM followed the rules with one minor exception, it was the Civil Servants who decided to turn Downing Street into a nightclub, apparently behind the PM's back.
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So he's just incompetent and doesn't know what his own administration is doing, literally in his own house.

Isn't that worse?
 
Bloodtangerine said:
People had the choice of Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn….don’t blame the people (electorate) Lytham….what did you want them to do?……if the choice is eat one plate of dogshit or two then a lot of people will choose the least terrible option
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All of which is completely irrelevant to the current discussion.

This is a bloke who thought he could have drinky-poos every time someone left the office. All at a time when the rest of us were told to stay at home and away from our families - even if they were vulnerable or dying. Even you must be able to see that that is a million miles away from the principled leadership we are entitled to expect.
 
Wizaard said:
Yes. My Dad's funeral tomorrow and I saw him once in the last 8 months of his life, because he was in hospital and only his wife was allowed to visit.

Stuck to the rules while they literally drank until they were sick, as you do at work events.
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Thoughts are with you Wizzard
 
traffordtang said:
Let’s not forget that just weeks before some of these parties Boris Johnson was apparently lying ( not his usual kind of lying ) in an intensive care unit near deaths door and only saved by the skill and dedication of the wonderful nursing staff, so ill from COVID that he was barely seen in public for months, getting the sympathy vote. What a strange way for someone who’s suffered so badly to act showing absolutely no regard for the well being of others in light of this deadly virus. Or was it all just a big con.
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Probably not a con Trafford. Which makes it all the more perplexing.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
That's bollocks and anyway, can you tell me how Corbyn would have been worse?

You don't get to vote for someone and then get to absolve yourself from any responsibility when they turn out to be a shambolic pathological lying fraudster.
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I don’t seek to absolve myself one little bit mate, I’m not ashamed in any way. Can I tell you how Corbyn would have been worse?…….I could only give my best guesses as its hypothetical because of course he returned a disastrous, embarrassing set of results at the GE…..and if you never win any votes and are just permanently the opposition then I guess you should look at yourself as an a individual or Party rather then just saying “Look at them they’re all cunts, look at him, he’s a charlatan who just quotes Latin, this levelling up is a con trick, you're all fools” ……even if you’re right being right isn’t enough
 
basilrobbie3 said:
All of which is completely irrelevant to the current discussion.

This is a bloke who thought he could have drinky-poos every time someone left the office. All at a time when the rest of us were told to stay at home and away from our families - even if they were vulnerable or dying. Even you must be able to see that that is a million miles away from the principled leadership we are entitled to expect.
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Of course I can Robbie, Bojo is a snakecharmer of course…..so what are you suggesting should realistically happen?..serious question
 
Bloodtangerine said:
I don’t seek to absolve myself one little bit mate, I’m not ashamed in any way. Can I tell you how Corbyn would have been worse?…….I could only give my best guesses as its hypothetical because of course he returned a disastrous, embarrassing set of results at the GE…..and if you never win any votes and are just permanently the opposition then I guess you should look at yourself as an a individual or Party rather then just saying “Look at them they’re all cunts, look at him, he’s a charlatan who just quotes Latin, this levelling up is a con trick, you're all fools” ……even if you’re right being right isn’t enough
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So you don't know how Corbyn would have been worse, despite citing his potential Premiership as the overarching reason everyone voted for Johnson?

Being in opposition is irrelevant, Johnson himself was in opposition to his own party's government less than six months before the 2019 General Election.
 
Bloodtangerine said:
Of course I can Robbie, Bojo is a snakecharmer of course…..so what are you suggesting should realistically happen?..serious question
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Serious answer then...

What should have happened is that some of the people involved should have been arrested, but you and I know that was never going to happen.

But the Tory MP's have it in their gift to trigger a leadership contest. I can understand that they might think it a distraction ; but do you think they are really focused on the job in hand at the moment? I don't.

If they don't get rid of him before the next Election, they are going to get a fearful kicking. At which point a lot of these back benchers will be out of a job as well. Not that I will shed a tear for any of them, they are a bunch of gangsters who betray the Party's finer traditions every day.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
So you don't know how Corbyn would have been worse, despite citing his potential Premiership as the overarching reason everyone voted for Johnson?

Being in opposition is irrelevant, Johnson himself was in opposition to his own party's government less than six months before the 2019 General Election.
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Yes I do know how I “think” he would have been worse….you miss my point Lytham
 
basilrobbie3 said:
Serious answer then...

What should have happened is that some of the people involved should have been arrested, but you and I know that was never going to happen.

But the Tory MP's have it in their gift to trigger a leadership contest. I can understand that they might think it a distraction ; but do you think they are really focused on the job in hand at the moment? I don't.

If they don't get rid of him before the next Election, they are going to get a fearful kicking. At which point a lot of these back benchers will be out of a job as well. Not that I will shed a tear for any of them, they are a bunch of gangsters who betray the Party's finer traditions every day.
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Can’t disagree with much of that
 
Sooty59 said:
Delay delay delay & whitewash. The guy has no shame. He'll make loads of dough on the after dinner speakers market, when we finally get rid of him, no doubt having a nod & wink about it all. The middle Englanders will lap it up.
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After dinner speaker, the fuck-wit can hardly string two sentences together within the space of 5 minutes.
"I fully understand the..... Ugggggghhhhh!, Uggggggghhhhh!.... Repeat 100 times. Way the fantastic British public responded to the, Ugggggghhhhhh! , another minutes worth. Pandemic and I did everything that uggghhhhggg".....

You get the jist...... The idiot just ** mumbles and bumbles on and on with inane ** non sensicle shite.
 
Seasider1 said:
After dinner speaker, the fuck-wit can hardly string two sentences together within the space of 5 minutes.
"I fully understand the..... Ugggggghhhhh!, Uggggggghhhhh!.... Repeat 100 times. Way the fantastic British public responded to the, Ugggggghhhhhh! , another minutes worth. Pandemic and I did everything that uggghhhhggg".....

You get the jist...... The idiot just ** mumbles and bumbles on and on with inane ** non sensicle shite.
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And lies to fuck!
 
Seasider1 said:
After dinner speaker, the fuck-wit can hardly string two sentences together within the space of 5 minutes.
"I fully understand the..... Ugggggghhhhh!, Uggggggghhhhh!.... Repeat 100 times. Way the fantastic British public responded to the, Ugggggghhhhhh! , another minutes worth. Pandemic and I did everything that uggghhhhggg".....

You get the jist...... The idiot just ** mumbles and bumbles on and on with inane ** non sensicle shite.
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I agree, but some fuckers seem to like the wanker.
 
Boris needs to go asap, but it will have to be done by the MP’s clearly.
They will have to trust the Party to elect someone who can clear things up. There is a lot to sort out, and hopefully they won’t spend months of naval gazing while they pick someone with half a brain.

I would probably suggest Jeremy Hunt. A terrible Health Secretary, but speaks more sense than any in the cabinet these days OR maybe Tom Tugendhat, Penny Mordaunt or Tobias Ellwood if not?
 
glasshalffull said:
Well I would imagine you are in a better position to assess that than the rest us of us on here, so fair play on that basis I would think she would be worth a try!
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I'm a bit out of the loop these days. But she has done a wide range of jobs in Government and is a past Defence Secretary. Young too.
 
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