Summer Transfer Rumours trois - Will Appy (re)sign anyone?

Graves said:
In my opinion:

it’s good that Dale has gone out.

Lavery needs to go.

Keep Yates (I think he has what it takes at this level provided he receives decent service)

Virtue - dury is still out, but could be useful from the bench

Lubala - another i’m not sure of yet. Could be useful back up.
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We can’t recruit and keep these players though. Lubala absolutely has to go. We currently have him plus Yates, Madine, Lavery and Beesley- none of those are getting more than 10 this season and 5 into what is essentially 1 (if we’re playing 433) just can’t work. This is the mess the previous manager left us with.
 
Let’s face it, the recruitment team have signed some real duffers and sicknotes. A midfield that’s nowhere near fit for purpose in the Championship and forwards who are out of form or simply not up to this level.
It’s been obvious for a while, but still the problem persists.
Easy to blame Appleton, but he can only work with the players available to him.
 
tangerine_neil said:
Let’s face it, the recruitment team have signed some real duffers and sicknotes. A midfield that’s nowhere near fit for purpose in the Championship and forwards who are out of form or simply not up to this level.
It’s been obvious for a while, but still the problem persists.
Easy to blame Appleton, but he can only work with the players available to him.
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Agreed
 
TonyEllisTopBins said:
We can’t recruit and keep these players though. Lubala absolutely has to go. We currently have him plus Yates, Madine, Lavery and Beesley- none of those are getting more than 10 this season and 5 into what is essentially 1 (if we’re playing 433) just can’t work. This is the mess the previous manager left us with.
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Agreed if you consider that angle then- if it meant we would replace with better then I would ship out Lubala. I always considered him a winger and not a striker?
 
I think the aim is going to be 2 strikers in, 1 midfielder, 1 winger & a right back. This of course all depends
on who goes out 5/6 includes Dale.
 
tangerine_neil said:
Let’s face it, the recruitment team have signed some real duffers and sicknotes. A midfield that’s nowhere near fit for purpose in the Championship and forwards who are out of form or simply not up to this level.
It’s been obvious for a while, but still the problem persists.
Easy to blame Appleton, but he can only work with the players available to him.
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You mean duffers like Bowler, Grimshaw, Ekpiteta, Gabriel, Connolly, and Lavery who all played their part last season. Or the other duffers like Chris Maxwell, Jerry Yates, Kevin Stewart and Kenny Dougall who were influential in our L1 promotion team. Footballers get injured and the higher you go up the leagues the higher the intensity of the game. With hindsight Virtue and Stewart shouldn't have been given long contract extensions but I think Critchley was a big factor in those decisions.

The simple fact of life in the Championship is that we are competing against bigger clubs with bigger budgets. Simms & Ballard going to Sunderland is a very good illustration of that. I don't think anyone is blaming Appleton after two league games but he might have to adjust his thinking particularly in away games where 4-3-3 in my opinion looks a bit too cavalier.
 
Seainsea said:
You mean duffers like Bowler, Grimshaw, Ekpiteta, Gabriel, Connolly, and Lavery who all played their part last season. Or the other duffers like Chris Maxwell, Jerry Yates, Kevin Stewart and Kenny Dougall who were influential in our L1 promotion team. Footballers get injured and the higher you go up the leagues the higher the intensity of the game. With hindsight Virtue and Stewart shouldn't have been given long contract extensions but I think Critchley was a big factor in those decisions.

The simple fact of life in the Championship is that we are competing against bigger clubs with bigger budgets. Simms & Ballard going to Sunderland is a very good illustration of that. I don't think anyone is blaming Appleton after two league games but he might have to adjust his thinking particularly in away games where 4-3-3 in my opinion looks a bit too cavalier.
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Neil didn’t say we haven't signed good players. He said ‘the recruitment team have signed some duffers’ which is true. Rather a lot either not good enough or can’t run one metre without tearing 87 muscles.
 
Hockaday’s Quiff said:
Neil didn’t say we haven't signed good players. He said ‘the recruitment team have signed some duffers’ which is true. Rather a lot either not good enough or can’t run one metre without tearing 87 muscles.
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Recruitment is a tricky business , there are no guarantees . Every club will have their share of failures for various reasons and we are no different.
 
Seainsea said:
I don't think anyone is blaming Appleton after two league games but he might have to adjust his thinking particularly in away games where 4-3-3 in my opinion looks a bit too cavalier.
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It's a lot less cavalier if your midfield 3 can defend. With 433, you can have 4 players who can defend on the pitch, or 5, or 6, or 7. And your full backs can be geared to attacking of defending. Just stating the obvious but it maybe needs stating. It can be very defensive or very cavalier. Even the king of the Cavaliers, Ian Holloway, had a midfield that had Southern and Vaughan doing a lot of defensive work. What is Appleton's plan? Does he want Fiorini and Patino both starting? Like some on here.
 
voyeur said:
It's a lot less cavalier if your midfield 3 can defend. With 433, you can have 4 players who can defend on the pitch, or 5, or 6, or 7. And your full backs can be geared to attacking of defending. Just stating the obvious but it maybe needs stating. It can be very defensive or very cavalier. Even the king of the Cavaliers, Ian Holloway, had a midfield that had Southern and Vaughan doing a lot of defensive work. What is Appleton's plan? Does he want Fiorini and Patino both starting? Like some on here.
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Fiorini isn't a gun ho forward midfielder, he gets the ball from the back or breaks up play, he just happens to have the vision to pass a great ball forward or. support the attack. Fiorini just didn't work as the "holding" player. He's an attacking midfielder who want s to get forward, get the ball to the attackers, support them and try and score himself, he hasn't had that opportunity yet. So a midfield 3 of Dougall or Connolly or Stewart with Patino in there and Fiorini the most forward midfielder (or Carey) would, in my opinion work. Having Connolly and Dougall and Patino in midfield is just too defensive and Appleton isn't going to do a Quitchley. We can't go down that route again, it was turgid. Plus, we still look like we want to add another midfielder yet if the new bid for the Massive lad is right. We will get 3 or 4 more players in yet before the end of August so it's all likely to change again. Appleton isn't going to pussy foot around players he doesn't rate and we will see a load going out yet. He was fuming with Virtue on Saturday when just before half time Virtue passed back to the keeper inside the Stoke half when he should have gone forward. He won't be in the team on Saturday, guaranteed.
 
Graves said:
In my opinion:

it’s good that Dale has gone out.

Lavery needs to go.

Keep Yates (I think he has what it takes at this level provided he receives decent service)

Virtue - dury is still out, but could be useful from the bench

Lubala - another i’m not sure of yet. Could be useful back up.
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Virtue - dury is still out, but could be useful from the bench.
Would that be Ian Dury🤣🤣👍🏻
 
hertfordseasider said:
Fiorini isn't a gun ho forward midfielder, he gets the ball from the back or breaks up play, he just happens to have the vision to pass a great ball forward or. support the attack. Fiorini just didn't work as the "holding" player. He's an attacking midfielder who want s to get forward, get the ball to the attackers, support them and try and score himself, he hasn't had that opportunity yet. So a midfield 3 of Dougall or Connolly or Stewart with Patino in there and Fiorini the most forward midfielder (or Carey) would, in my opinion work. Having Connolly and Dougall and Patino in midfield is just too defensive and Appleton isn't going to do a Quitchley. We can't go down that route again, it was turgid. Plus, we still look like we want to add another midfielder yet if the new bid for the Massive lad is right. We will get 3 or 4 more players in yet before the end of August so it's all likely to change again. Appleton isn't going to pussy foot around players he doesn't rate and we will see a load going out yet. He was fuming with Virtue on Saturday when just before half time Virtue passed back to the keeper inside the Stoke half when he should have gone forward. He won't be in the team on Saturday, guaranteed.
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Appleton doesnt want to to a Critchley, fine, but he's not made a great start in rejigging the midfield. Saturday's srarting midfield was a dog's breakfast in anybody's language. It was doomed before it kicked a ball, and hardly kicked a ball. So I admire your trust.

Critchley wanted to go 433. He wanted to attack. He couldn't get the players within the budget. We have to rebuild carefully. If Appleton doesnt wise up it will go to shit. Players will get fed up etc. What's happened to Marv? He's played well with Keogh, Thorniley and Jimmy so why not Williams?

You have to earn the right to compete. Not chuck some rusty young lads not used to this level together in the engine room. You can develop more attractive football when you are competing with the opposition and beating them.

People now saying our players aren't good enough, league one standard. But they held their own last season. And nobody's left, and we've added Prem loans. We should be better, no?
 
voyeur said:
Appleton doesnt want to to a Critchley, fine, but he's not made a great start in rejigging the midfield. Saturday's srarting midfield was a dog's breakfast in anybody's language. It was doomed before it kicked a ball, and hardly kicked a ball. So I admire your trust.

Critchley wanted to go 433. He wanted to attack. He couldn't get the players within the budget. We have to rebuild carefully. If Appleton doesnt wise up it will go to shit. Players will get fed up etc. What's happened to Marv? He's played well with Keogh, Thorniley and Jimmy so why not Williams?

You have to earn the right to compete. Not chuck some rusty young lads not used to this level together in the engine room. You can develop more attractive football when you are competing with the opposition and beating them.

People now saying our players aren't good enough, league one standard. But they held their own last season. And nobody's left, and we've added Prem loans. We should be better, no?
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He's not Quitchley though is he? And he wants to play 433 and he wants the players he wants to be able to do that. He should have started with Dougall on Saturday but when he came on he didn't really improve it and I don't think he fancies him. Dougall should start on Saturday too if Gabriel isn't in the team. If he is then Connolly will play that role.

Just watch, there are going to be quite a few of last years squad disappearing off to other teams either sold or on loans, I mean if they're all such good Championship players there won't be any problem off loading them will there?

He will need this window and the January one to get the players in to really see a difference, too many loans at the moment, we need 3 players to sign who are better than what we have,, 4 if Bowler goes. We got 2 points from our first 5 games last season and we were pretty shit. He changed it because he didn't have the players to play 433, I agree but he had a hand in who he wanted and he has to take some responsibility for that. Appleton is going to stick to his guns and live or die by the sword. He may pull it off, he may crash and burn, I just don't want a 442 where we have 4 defenders, 2 defensive midfielders and 2 inverted wingers and 2 up top, we hardly scored any goals playing that formation.

Could it be that Marv misses playing next to an experienced centre half like Keogh, Thorniley or Husband? He has the responsibility of the central partnership and is the senior player, I think he prefers someone who takes that responsibility off him. He's a great defender and it could be something as simple as that. I don't think he should be captain though either, should be someone like Connolly or Keogh.

You have to get used to the idea that it isn't going to be the same as last season and there is no way you will see 442. Unfortunately we have too many players who ARE league 1 standard and that's where they will be heading.
 
hertfordseasider said:
He's not Quitchley though is he? And he wants to play 433 and he wants the players he wants to be able to do that. He should have started with Dougall on Saturday but when he came on he didn't really improve it and I don't think he fancies him. Dougall should start on Saturday too if Gabriel isn't in the team. If he is then Connolly will play that role.

Just watch, there are going to be quite a few of last years squad disappearing off to other teams either sold or on loans, I mean if they're all such good Championship players there won't be any problem off loading them will there?

He will need this window and the January one to get the players in to really see a difference, too many loans at the moment, we need 3 players to sign who are better than what we have,, 4 if Bowler goes. We got 2 points from our first 5 games last season and we were pretty shit. He changed it because he didn't have the players to play 433, I agree but he had a hand in who he wanted and he has to take some responsibility for that. Appleton is going to stick to his guns and live or die by the sword. He may pull it off, he may crash and burn, I just don't want a 442 where we have 4 defenders, 2 defensive midfielders and 2 inverted wingers and 2 up top, we hardly scored any goals playing that formation.

Could it be that Marv misses playing next to an experienced centre half like Keogh, Thorniley or Husband? He has the responsibility of the central partnership and is the senior player, I think he prefers someone who takes that responsibility off him. He's a great defender and it could be something as simple as that. I don't think he should be captain though either, should be someone like Connolly or Keogh.

You have to get used to the idea that it isn't going to be the same as last season and there is no way you will see 442. Unfortunately we have too many players who ARE league 1 standard and that's where they will be heading.
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If they are all league one standard we Must have had a bloody good coach then.

He doesn't fancy Dougall so he picks those 3? Ridiculous. It was really poor team selection and it's not often you see that at this level.

Half the division scored fewer than us last season believe it or not.

I dont want 442 either. But I want a team thats balanced and functions first and foremost.
 
voyeur said:
I dont want 442 either. But I want a team thats balanced and functions first and foremost.
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We both want that but it's going to have to be with players Appleton wants and I agree that he should have started with Dougall on Saturday and why he hoiked Virtue off at half time. I hope he plays either Dougall or Connolly on Saturday with Patino and Fiorini or Carey.
 
voyeur said:
Appleton doesnt want to to a Critchley, fine, but he's not made a great start in rejigging the midfield. Saturday's srarting midfield was a dog's breakfast in anybody's language. It was doomed before it kicked a ball, and hardly kicked a ball. So I admire your trust.

Critchley wanted to go 433. He wanted to attack. He couldn't get the players within the budget. We have to rebuild carefully. If Appleton doesnt wise up it will go to shit. Players will get fed up etc. What's happened to Marv? He's played well with Keogh, Thorniley and Jimmy so why not Williams?

You have to earn the right to compete. Not chuck some rusty young lads not used to this level together in the engine room. You can develop more attractive football when you are competing with the opposition and beating them.

People now saying our players aren't good enough, league one standard. But they held their own last season. And nobody's left, and we've added Prem loans. We should be better, no?
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We started poor but actually finished the match with 52% possession so to say we hardly kicked the ball is absulute nonsense
 
Appleton is finding out who can and who can't, he's got till 1st September to do this, not an easy task. Ekpiteta
distribution is suspect at this level most of us know this.
 
voyeur said:
I meant his chosen starting line up. Which had to be adjusted at half time. Again. I'm sure he'll figure it out.
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He went with the team that got us 3 points against Reading

That's fair enough

The issue was that Stokes midfield 3 were better than ours during the 1st half
 
Philbfctrois said:
He went with the team that got us 3 points against Reading

That's fair enough

The issue was that Stokes midfield 3 were better than ours during the 1st half
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I get that, but after a bright start against Reading the midfield was easily dominated and it didng require a genius to see us struggling at Stoke. It played out exactly as expected tbh.
 
voyeur said:
I get that, but after a bright start against Reading the midfield was easily dominated and it didng require a genius to see us struggling at Stoke. It played out exactly as expected tbh.
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The lack of a right back STILL meant he didn't have many options to be fair

God only knows why we haven't signed one

Bullshit Ben says Connolly can play there though so all is good, may as well make Bullshit the head coach as well
 
Philbfctrois said:
The lack of a right back STILL meant he didn't have many options to be fair

God only knows why we haven't signed one

Bullshit Ben says Connolly can play there though so all is good, may as well make Bullshit the head coach as well
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It wasn't BSB who said it, it was actually Simon Sadler. Maybe a collective mindset.

"We want to make sure we get things right. I see we’re getting criticised for starting the season again without a right-back, well that’s actually completely incorrect because we’ve got two in Jordan Gabriel, who is very close to coming back, and Callum Connolly who funnily enough managed to score the only goal on Saturday and yet again proved himself to be really versatile. Now, are we lighter in that position than we otherwise wanted to be? Probably. But it’s not like all those years ago when we played Nottingham Forest on the first game of the season."

Complacent at best, careless at worst.
 
Putting 2 and 2 together, and possibly getting 5, looks like we have had a bid turned down for Dan Barlaser from Rotherham. Another £1m plus bid.

Edit : just seen thread on this. Thought this thread was for transfer rumours !
 
bollieboy said:
Putting 2 and 2 together, and possibly getting 5, looks like we have had a bid turned down for Dan Barlaser from Rotherham. Another £1m plus bid.

Edit : just seen thread on this. Thought this thread was for transfer rumours !
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This is where we come to vent at the lack of signings, anything even remotely positive isn’t welcome in here
 
We're clearly developing a pattern with regards to the CM position, bid 1m for a player, have it rejected.

It seems scattergun, but it isn't unusual for the club to have multiple targets in one position. We'll probably still be in for FDB if he doesn't sign a new contract as well as a few other in that same position.

Think it doesn't help at all that information is being leaked to the public, every club has bids knocked back, that is the nature of the beast, but it doesn't help the club at all that agents/other clubs are leaking the amount of bid that has been put in.

Of course the easy solution is to submit a bid that will be accepted, but that might mean paying well over what a player is worth, which is something the club should not be doing.

A few more weeks left will see clubs get more desperate and knowing that we have the money to spend gives me faith that the club will be able to get a couple of good deals.
 
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