Summer Transfer Rumours trois - Will Appy (re)sign anyone?

Lost Seasider said:
Has there ever been much of an EU presence in the Championship and League 1? As far as I can remember, the league has always been dominated by British players, with only a tiny number from elsewhere, as likely to be from Africa as the EU, and only at the PL "aspirational" clubs who can usually sort out the work permit problems anyway.

Sorry, I'm not having this "it's all Brexit's fault" line here.
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Yes there has been a great EU presence in the Championship (maybe less so in League1).

Look at our teams from 2011 to 2014 before Brexit; Angel Martinez, Tiago Gomes, Ludovic Sylvestre, Roman Bednar, Andrea Orlandi, Elliott Grandin etc.

All players who contributed, but would not have been able to transfer to us now.

I absolutely believe that there was a cheap, but quality market of EU players that clubs like ourselves benefited from, but now no longer can use because of Brexit, thus making the market for English based players inflated.

It doesn't explain all of our problems, but it is definitely something to consider.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Yes there has been a great EU presence in the Championship (maybe less so in League1).

Look at our teams from 2011 to 2014 before Brexit; Angel Martinez, Tiago Gomes, Ludovic Sylvestre, Roman Bednar, Andrea Orlandi, Elliott Grandin etc.

All players who contributed, but would not have been able to transfer to us now.

I absolutely believe that there was a cheap, but quality market of EU players that clubs like ourselves benefited from, but now no longer can use because of Brexit, thus making the market for English based players inflated.

It doesn't explain all of our problems, but it is definitely something to consider.
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Can we not just get them to apply for work permits?

Surely it's not impossible to get EU players?
 
Appleton saying we have to be open minded to transfers in the latest article on Blackpool Live. Maybe it's a shot across the bows of the 'Recruitment Team' or that we are looking at bringing someone in who he thinks the fans may question?

Although re-reading the article, it could be that he's happy with the current striking options and is just talking generally about moving for a player if they suddenly become available.
 
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AmericanTangerine said:
footballleagueworld.co.uk

Sources: Leicester City join Nottingham Forest and Bournemouth in transfer battle for EFL winger

Premier League club Leicester City are the latest club to enter the transfer battle for Blackpool winger Josh Bowler, sources have exclusively told Football League World.
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Christ what a day for transfer news.

If Leicester City join then we'll certainly be able to get 3 Million minimum for him.

I've said before if he goes it wouldn't be the worst thing especially if we were able to bring in more quality, but the big "if" is if we are able to bring in quality with the money we get for him.
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I would take George Hirst (Young striker who scored 13 at Pompey last year) + £2 million for Bowler.
 
If we lose Bowler right at the end of the window it will be a disaster. If he's going then splash the cash now to replace him before we run out of time. Personally i would get him to sign a new deal on top money with a proviso we will deffo let him go in January.
 
Scaramanga said:
If we lose Bowler right at the end of the window it will be a disaster. If he's going then splash the cash now to replace him before we run out of time. Personally i would get him to sign a new deal on top money with a proviso we will deffo let him go in January.
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I think that's what we have been trying to do. Bowler will go, I'm pretty sure of that, it's just a case of who we actually manage to sign.
 
Matesrates said:
No because Brexit is to blame for everything, the war in Ukraine, climate crisis, etc.
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Makes me wonder how I ever managed to work, pay a mortgage, bring up a family, buy food, go on holiday to Europe. In fact I am absolutely amazed how we managed to do anything pre 1971. If someone had bothered to tell us how miserable and hard done to we were, I might have considered ending it all.😉
 
TheAppyBus said:
It's to blame for a lot tbf... but work permits are still a thing. More difficult okay, but not that difficult? Loads of deals used to be subject to a work permit, just more will be now due to brexit
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Matesrates said:
I agree, it’s obvious more difficult, but not insurmountable.
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There’s a points system. A player has to have 15 points to qualify for a work permit (you can request a special exemption if you’re just under the limit). Points are awarded based on appearances last season in the top 5 leagues (Prem, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, La Liga and Serie A) as well as International appearances.

This means that the majority of players who qualify are out of the budget range for most Championship clubs these days. Brexit has 100% had a negative impact on transfers and inflated British players values. To argue otherwise is pure stupidity and ignorance.
 
NewburyOne said:
Appleton saying we have to be open minded to transfers in the latest article on Blackpool Live. Maybe it's a shot across the bows of the 'Recruitment Team' or that we are looking at bringing someone in who he thinks the fans may question?

Although re-reading the article, it could be that he's happy with the current striking options and is just talking generally about moving for a player if they suddenly become available.
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Maybe it is a shot a cross the bows to agents, saying we are not desperate so if they want a transfer they will have to work for it.
 
Gary said:
There’s a points system. A player has to have 15 points to qualify for a work permit (you can request a special exemption if you’re just under the limit). Points are awarded based on appearances last season in the top 5 leagues (Prem, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, La Liga and Serie A) as well as International appearances.

This means that the majority of players who qualify are out of the budget range for most Championship clubs these days. Brexit has 100% had a negative impact on transfers and inflated British players values. To argue otherwise is pure stupidity and ignorance.
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Good, there should be more chances for home grown players to be employed. Or are you suggesting we should remain subservient to a monolith controlled by other countries with no particular like for us. Pay them billions of pounds per year to be told how we can and cannot live our lives, just to let a few foreign footballers in ? Most of whom we could not afford anyway. Sounds like a marvellous deal, you are almost making me wish we hadn’t left.
 
Gary said:
There’s a points system. A player has to have 15 points to qualify for a work permit (you can request a special exemption if you’re just under the limit). Points are awarded based on appearances last season in the top 5 leagues (Prem, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, La Liga and Serie A) as well as International appearances.
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It's actually far more complicated than that and isn't just based on appearances in the top 5 leagues, that just makes it a bit easier: https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/player-registration/points-based-system

For example, Holland, Belgium Portugal, Turkey are band 2 leagues (so is the Championship BTW), so a player from there will get 10 points automatically, plus another 5 so long as he plays at least 40% of the club's minutes, and that's before any other points that might be earned from European/international competitions and league finishes.

Essentially, as far as I can see, anyone who's good enough to play at this level probably still qualifies for a work permit.
 
Goforgoal said:
Good, there should be more chances for home grown players to be employed. Or are you suggesting we should remain subservient to a monolith controlled by other countries with no particular like for us. Pay them billions of pounds per year to be told how we can and cannot live our lives, just to let a few foreign footballers in ? Most of whom we could not afford anyway. Sounds like a marvellous deal, you are almost making me wish we hadn’t left.
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Monolith ? We had plenty of influence in the EU, chucked it away.
 
Gary said:
There’s a points system. A player has to have 15 points to qualify for a work permit (you can request a special exemption if you’re just under the limit). Points are awarded based on appearances last season in the top 5 leagues (Prem, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, La Liga and Serie A) as well as International appearances.

This means that the majority of players who qualify are out of the budget range for most Championship clubs these days. Brexit has 100% had a negative impact on transfers and inflated British players values. To argue otherwise is pure stupidity and ignorance.
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So basically we can only sign players from Europe who have made appearances in the top 5 leagues and/or have a decent amount of international appearances?

That I did not know, and I'm sure 95% of people on this forum didn't know it either.

If that is true then its an absolute farce. No wonder we can't sign anyone.

At least those pesky Europeans won't be taking our jobs anymore, eh?
 
Goforgoal said:
Good, there should be more chances for home grown players to be employed. Or are you suggesting we should remain subservient to a monolith controlled by other countries with no particular like for us. Pay them billions of pounds per year to be told how we can and cannot live our lives, just to let a few foreign footballers in ? Most of whom we could not afford anyway. Sounds like a marvellous deal, you are almost making me wish we hadn’t left.
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Life before brexit > life after brexit

There's a bit more to it than some poxy footballers.

If you think we're in better shape as a country now then you're a 🤡
 
Lost Seasider said:
It's actually far more complicated than that and isn't just based on appearances in the top 5 leagues, that just makes it a bit easier: https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/player-registration/points-based-system

For example, Holland, Belgium Portugal, Turkey are band 2 leagues (so is the Championship BTW), so a player from there will get 10 points automatically, plus another 5 so long as he plays at least 40% of the club's minutes, and that's before any other points that might be earned from European/international competitions and league finishes.

Essentially, as far as I can see, anyone who's good enough to play at this level probably still qualifies for a work permit.
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Well that makes more sense. Although we still aren't signing any of the bastards!
 
Goforgoal said:
Good, there should be more chances for home grown players to be employed. Or are you suggesting we should remain subservient to a monolith controlled by other countries with no particular like for us. Pay them billions of pounds per year to be told how we can and cannot live our lives, just to let a few foreign footballers in ? Most of whom we could not afford anyway. Sounds like a marvellous deal, you are almost making me wish we hadn’t left.
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Are you trying to make out that foreign footballers were the only benefit of EU membership?! Jesus. No wonder we are in a ** mess. Total football, or total ignorance?! You choose! 😆
 
voyeur said:
Are you trying to make out that foreign footballers were the only benefit of EU membership?! Jesus. No wonder we are in a ** mess. Total football, or total ignorance?! You choose! 😆
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The point I was making was in the whole of Brexit the last consideration, for or against, is if footballers can come here easily. If you didn’t understand that then one of us is totally ignorant.
 
Goforgoal said:
The point I was making was in the whole of Brexit the last consideration, for or against, is if footballers can come here easily. If you didn’t understand that then one of us is totally ignorant.
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OK sorry, it was me! 😆

I must have misunderstood this...

Pay them billions of pounds per year to be told how we can and cannot live our lives, just to let a few foreign footballers in ?
 
voyeur said:
OK sorry, it was me! 😆

I must have misunderstood this...

Pay them billions of pounds per year to be told how we can and cannot live our lives, just to let a few foreign footballers in ?
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Which was the point of the post I was replying to. Posters were saying it was easier when we were in, it was, but that is hardly a reason to stay.
 
Goforgoal said:
Soundbite. Education needs improvement as well.
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And how exactly is the brain drain caused by Brexit going to help that ?!

But please… tell me one positive of Brexit that isn’t just nationalistic rhetoric. A single quantifiable benefit of leaving the EU that makes the average person better off.
 
Goforgoal said:
Which was the point of the post I was replying to. Posters were saying it was easier when we were in, it was, but that is hardly a reason to stay.
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Yes but that post was just referring to the impact on football, entirely reasonably. You widened it out to the whole cost/benefit of the EU and suggested it was only football imports that we got in return for a seemingly total loss of control and huge amounts of money. If that was true I might have voted for Brexit.
 
voyeur said:
Yes but that post was just referring to the impact on football, entirely reasonably. You widened it out to the whole cost/benefit of the EU and suggested it was only football imports that we got in return for a seemingly total loss of control and huge amounts of money. If that was true I might have voted for Brexit.
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I didn’t infer that at all, I was merely pointing out what I considered the less good things about membership. The unhindered movement of footballers is hardly a consideration in such a momentous decision. I will never convince you and wouldn’t presume to try, however I am not a recent convert, I voted to leave in 1975 and all that has happened since just strengthened my resolve. We will leave it at that, I don’t want this discussion to become nasty. 😁
 
Goforgoal said:
Good, there should be more chances for home grown players to be employed. Or are you suggesting we should remain subservient to a monolith controlled by other countries with no particular like for us. Pay them billions of pounds per year to be told how we can and cannot live our lives, just to let a few foreign footballers in ? Most of whom we could not afford anyway. Sounds like a marvellous deal, you are almost making me wish we hadn’t left.
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I made no comment on the EU, this isn’t the place for that. Was merely pointing out that it has negatively affected the transfer market here, don’t twist my words.
 
Goforgoal said:
I didn’t infer that at all, I was merely pointing out what I considered the less good things about membership. The unhindered movement of footballers is hardly a consideration in such a momentous decision. I will never convince you and wouldn’t presume to try, however I am not a recent convert, I voted to leave in 1975 and all that has happened since just strengthened my resolve. We will leave it at that, I don’t want this discussion to become nasty. 😁
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No neither do I. We've had huge benefit from the EU though. We entered it in 1973 as the sick patient of Europe, lest we forget.

But I'm not on here for politics tbh. Forget it.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I’m not sure the average person is happy they earn an extra £20 a week when the value of their weekly wage has plummeted 10-15% !
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Nothing to do with Brexit though, and inflation in the EU is just as high.

In fact, because the EU (aka Germany) has allowed them to become so dependent on Russian gas, they might be even more in the do-do than we are.
 
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