Sunak did NOT clear Cruella's attack on the Police

Ollygon said:
It's like the last days of the Roman Empire.

The Visigoths are coming to sack Downing Street.

We should have a General Election NOW.
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Well when the PM doesn’t have a backbone I’m not surprised in the slightest.

The Met Police couldn’t organise a Policeman’s ball raffle they haven’t got a clue on what it wrong and what is right so good on her some balls at last in the Cabinet. 👍
 
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Apparently Cruella wasn't in Parliament today.

She was with a close family member who was having an operation!!!!!!!!!!!!

To quote a favourite phrase of the Daily Mail - "You couldn't make it up"

Maybe her husband was going through a voluntary Suellaectomy.? If so, I hope they removed all the nasty bits, as it could grow back!!
 
There seems to be a lot of people ready to jump on the Home Secretary when it's the Metropolitan Police's activities that need closer scrutiny.

Suella rightly says that if the march goes ahead this weekend, the public will expect to see a proactive approach by the police to any displays of hate, breaches of conditions and general disorder. Sunak says he will hold the Scotland Yard boss accountable if there is trouble. The Met has the power to ban the event under Section 13 of the Public Order Act 1986 if there is a threat of serious public disorder which cannot not be controlled by other measures. So the onus is wholly on the Met. If the protest passes without incident they will get credit, but if not, the Scotland Yard boss will rightly be brought to account.

What I would like to see is the new Desecration of War Memorials part of the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 (Section 50) being used to jail offenders for the maximum of 10 years.
 
tommytwojags said:
There seems to be a lot of people ready to jump on the Home Secretary when it's the Metropolitan Police's activities that need closer scrutiny.

Suella rightly says that if the march goes ahead this weekend, the public will expect to see a proactive approach by the police to any displays of hate, breaches of conditions and general disorder. Sunak says he will hold the Scotland Yard boss accountable if there is trouble. The Met has the power to ban the event under Section 13 of the Public Order Act 1986 if there is a threat of serious public disorder which cannot not be controlled by other measures. So the onus is wholly on the Met. If the protest passes without incident they will get credit, but if not, the Scotland Yard boss will rightly be brought to account.

What I would like to see is the new Desecration of War Memorials part of the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act 2022 (Section 50) being used to jail offenders for the maximum of 10 years.
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Stop deflecting.

We're talking about the Home Secretary.

What do you think about what she said, and the reasons why?

A short answer will suffice.
 
The speculation is that she is trying to get herself sacked to make her into a martyr with right wingers and party members.
This would then put her in a better position to become leader after an election loss.
It's a dangerous game - she has certainly increased the risk of violence with her inflammatory behavior and some sane Conservatives have called this. The police force are at greater risk of injury or worse because of what the home secretary has said. It's crazy behavior. It's generally not good to have the police force and home secretary fighting turf wars rather than doing their jobs.
 
Shandypants said:
"Suella rightly says 🤣🤣🤣🤣"
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Go on, quote my full comment.

Suella rightly says that if the march goes ahead this weekend, the public will expect to see a proactive approach by the police to any displays of hate.

If you don't think the public expects the police to control the anti-semitic hatred that will come out of this protest you're either a terrorist sympathiser or you don't understand wtf is going on.
 
News commentators and some politicians (on both sides), are saying that Braverman is using extreme language - hate-filled mobs - and lies in order to appeal to people on the far-right of British politics. Tell me @tommytwojags and @Jaffa_The_Hut , is that the sector of the political spectrum where you are most comfortable?
 
1966_and_all_that said:
News commentators and some politicians (on both sides), are saying that Braverman is using extreme language - hate-filled mobs - and lies in order to appeal to people on the far-right of British politics. Tell me @tommytwojags and @Jaffa_The_Hut , is that the sector of the political spectrum where you are most comfortable?
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You know that the average person in the street wants Armistice day to pass peacefully. You also know that a proportion of up to 1 million protesters are going to disrespect that, regardless of what the government or police say. The Met has confidently taken the view that it can control the protesters without them disrupting or disrespecting the remembrance ceremonies. That seems highly unlikely, since the protesters are already desecrating cenotaphs. So, the sector of the political spectrum where I stand is the one where the people of this country want to peacefully attend services to remember those who have died in the great wars. I hope that's not too extreme right wing for you.
 
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tommytwojags said:
You know that the average person in the street wants Armistice day to pass peacefully. You also know that a proportion of up to 1 million protesters are going to disrespect that, regardless of what the government or police say. The Met has confidently taken the view that it can control the protesters without them disrupting or disrespecting the remembrance ceremonies. That seems highly unlikely, since they are already desecrating cenotaphs. So, the sector of the political spectrum where I stand is the one where the people of this country want to peacefully attend services to remember those who have died in the great wars. I hope that's not too extreme right wing for you.
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A simple 'no' would have sufficed. The Remembrance services respect those who died fighting for our country. They fought for a country that believes in liberty, democracy and freedom from autocracy. The protesters want a ceasefire in Gaza. They want innocent civilians to be free from the terror of being bombed. The aims and objectives of those demonstrators fit well with those remembering the dead of past conflicts.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
News commentators and some politicians (on both sides), are saying that Braverman is using extreme language - hate-filled mobs - and lies in order to appeal to people on the far-right of British politics. Tell me @tommytwojags and @Jaffa_The_Hut , is that the sector of the political spectrum where you are most comfortable?
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I’m fully supportive of her because she’s the only one in authority who’s trying to stop this March/protest going ahead.

No one else either in Government or the Met Police seem to have the balls to stop it hence why I’m behind her 101%.
 
tommytwojags said:
I fear you will find out their aims and objectives this coming weekend. I hope it's as you suggest.
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Cards on the table? I think the vast majority will demonstrate peacefully whilst making it clear that they want a ceasefire. The rabble minority might get violent or try to deface things.
 
tommytwojags said:
Go on, quote my full comment.

Suella rightly says that if the march goes ahead this weekend, the public will expect to see a proactive approach by the police to any displays of hate.

If you don't think the public expects the police to control the anti-semitic hatred that will come out of this protest you're either a terrorist sympathiser or you don't understand wtf is going on.
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The Palestinian people are a Semitic race.
Chew on that whilst spouting your vitriol.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
A simple 'no' would have sufficed. The Remembrance services respect those who died fighting for our country. They fought for a country that believes in liberty, democracy and freedom from autocracy. The protesters want a ceasefire in Gaza. They want innocent civilians to be free from the terror of being bombed. The aims and objectives of those demonstrators fit well with those remembering the dead of past conflicts.
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will some of these protesters who will no doubt be chanting their river to the sea anti semitic slogans be achieving their aims and objectives and do those objectives fit well with those remembering the dead of past conflicts? I think not! I refer you to your later post #19 where you pretty much acknowledge that and is why the march should not be allowed to take place this weekend..
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The Palestinian people are a Semitic race.
Chew on that whilst spouting your vitriol.
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No vitriol from me, just a desire for peace in the world, but just to clarify the position a global survey unsurprisingly showed the Middle East as the most anti-Semitic region on earth, with 93% of Palestinians holding anti-semitic beliefs. I hope that clarifies the position for you.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I’m fully supportive of her because she’s the only one in authority who’s trying to stop this March/protest going ahead.

No one else either in Government or the Met Police seem to have the balls to stop it hence why I’m behind her 101%.
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Sorry, not true. The Met Commissioner has to have an extremely high level of threat proven before he can ban the march. Braverman can ban it now, no problem. If she is so convinced of her case, why is she passing the buck to the Met?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Sorry, not true. The Met Commissioner has to have an extremely high level of threat proven before he can ban the march. Braverman can ban it now, no problem. If she is so convinced of her case, why is she passing the buck to the Met?
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Let’s see shall we come Saturday how peaceful this ‘peaceful protest’ actually is and wether Mark Rowley is right then we’ll soon see who was right.
 
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tommytwojags said:
No vitriol from me, just a desire for peace in the world, but just to clarify the position a global survey unsurprisingly showed the Middle East as the most anti-Semitic region on earth, with 93% of Palestinians holding anti-semitic beliefs. I hope that clarifies the position for you.
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Anti Israeli and anti semitic are not necessarily the same thing.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Sorry, not true. The Met Commissioner has to have an extremely high level of threat proven before he can ban the march. Braverman can ban it now, no problem. If she is so convinced of her case, why is she passing the buck to the Met?
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This lot love passing the buck and claiming they are powerless to stop the woke blob. Saves having to make a decision on anything.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
Sorry, not true. The Met Commissioner has to have an extremely high level of threat proven before he can ban the march. Braverman can ban it now, no problem. If she is so convinced of her case, why is she passing the buck to the Met?
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Under section 13 of the 1986 Public Order Act, a police chief can ask the home secretary to ban marches to avoid serious public disorder. Unless an extreme emergency I believe that the Met would have to ask the government to ban the protest. After a meeting with Sir Mark Rowley Rishi accepted his assurances that the police will keep the public safe, but Rowley's job is on the line if this goes wrong.
 
tommytwojags said:
Under section 13 of the 1986 Public Order Act, a police chief can ask the home secretary to ban marches to avoid serious public disorder. Unless an extreme emergency I believe that the Met would have to ask the government to ban the protest. After a meeting with Sir Mark Rowley Rishi accepted his assurances that the police will keep the public safe, but Rowley's job is on the line if this goes wrong.
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Said exactly the same earlier on today about his job being on the line.

You live by the sword you die by the sword.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Let’s see shall we come Saturday how peaceful this ‘peaceful protest’ actually is and wether Mark Rowley is right then we’ll soon see who was right.
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I'm sure we all hope that, Jaffa, but I see the one person who could stop it actually ramping up the conflict. Do you not think, holding the view of potential disorder that you do, that she should ban it?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
I'm sure we all hope that, Jaffa, but I see the one person who could stop it actually ramping up the conflict. Do you not think, holding the view of potential disorder that you do, that she should ban it?
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I’m of the opinion ‘someone’ should ban it plain and simple.
 
20togo said:
will some of these protesters who will no doubt be chanting their river to the sea anti semitic slogans be achieving their aims and objectives and do those objectives fit well with those remembering the dead of past conflicts? I think not! I refer you to your later post #19 where you pretty much acknowledge that and is why the march should not be allowed to take place this weekend..
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You are desperately one dimensional.
 
tommytwojags said:
No vitriol from me, just a desire for peace in the world, but just to clarify the position a global survey unsurprisingly showed the Middle East as the most anti-Semitic region on earth, with 93% of Palestinians holding anti-semitic beliefs. I hope that clarifies the position for you.
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Not really, no. I believe there is a very anti-Israel tendency among both Palestinian and other Arab nations.
 
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