Switzerland threatened.

[Curryman]

It would appear that the EU is at it again.

Switzerland, who have co-existed with the surrounding EU since its inception, and have seemingly had a reasonable agreement with the EU, pulled out of negotiations recently to renew and in some ways update their agreement with the EU due to their feeling that the demands of the EU were threatening their independence and right to be self-governing. It now appears that the EU has used the tactics the French have used in their fishing dispute with Jersey by threatening to cut electricity supplies to the Alpine nation unless they come back to the negotiating table. Totally unacceptable in my opinion.

This block is becoming more and more like the Germany of old, under Hitler, who wanted to be the major power in Europe and continue to harass and threaten everyone and anyone whom they can't control.

 

[TangerineBayern]

It will be very interesting when Merkel goes to see how the EU behaves then!

 

[Foolweary]

There's only 3 news outlets carrying this story, telegraph, the express and Bloomberg.

Based on timing i'm guessing curryman gets the telegraph delivered.

 

[Chunkylad]

There's only 3 news outlets carrying this story, telegraph, the express and Bloomberg.

Based on timing i'm guessing curryman gets the telegraph delivered.

Is that a good or bad thing?

 

[Shandypants]

It would appear that the EU is at it again.

Switzerland, who have co-existed with the surrounding EU since its inception, and have seemingly had a reasonable agreement with the EU, pulled out of negotiations recently to renew and in some ways update their agreement with the EU due to their feeling that the demands of the EU were threatening their independence and right to be self-governing. It now appears that the EU has used the tactics the French have used in their fishing dispute with Jersey by threatening to cut electricity supplies to the Alpine nation unless they come back to the negotiating table. Totally unacceptable in my opinion.

This block is becoming more and more like the Germany of old, under Hitler, who wanted to be the major power in Europe and continue to harass and threaten everyone and anyone whom they can't control.

To compare the EU to Germany under Hitler do you no favours at all. Utterly ridiculous.

 

[Curryman]

There's only 3 news outlets carrying this story, telegraph, the express and Bloomberg.

Based on timing i'm guessing curryman gets the telegraph delivered.

Try the internet and Bloomberg. I read both left, right, and foreign reports online when something catches my eye. I haven't had a paper delivered for around thirty years and haven't purchased one for around five years.

 

[Curryman]

To compare the EU to Germany under Hitler do you no favours at all. Utterly ridiculous.

Is it?

 

[straightatthewall]

It would appear that the EU is at it again.

Switzerland, who have co-existed with the surrounding EU since its inception, and have seemingly had a reasonable agreement with the EU, pulled out of negotiations recently to renew and in some ways update their agreement with the EU due to their feeling that the demands of the EU were threatening their independence and right to be self-governing. It now appears that the EU has used the tactics the French have used in their fishing dispute with Jersey by threatening to cut electricity supplies to the Alpine nation unless they come back to the negotiating table. Totally unacceptable in my opinion.

This block is becoming more and more like the Germany of old, under Hitler, who wanted to be the major power in Europe and continue to harass and threaten everyone and anyone whom they can't control.

Yes. It’s not at all offensive to anyone who fought and died trying to defeat Nazi Germany or the millions who were slaughtered in the name of Nazi Germany’s final solution and quest for Ayran supremacy to consider there is a genuine similarity between the EU and the Third Reich.

 

[Bottle]

You do realise, Monsieur Macron, that we have your Bank Account and Nazi Gold stored in our vaults, safe and sound with the legendary “Omerod Money”, now, no more Toblerone for you!

 

[Trammo]

It’s big news in Switzerland. I suspect the Swiss will be investing in creating some more hydro electric power plants in an effort to become self sufficient.

 

[Lytham_fy8]

Is it?

Yes, yes it is.

 

[Curryman]

Yes. It’s not at all offensive to anyone who fought and died trying to defeat Nazi Germany or the millions who were slaughtered in the name of Nazi Germany’s final solution and quest for Ayran supremacy to consider there is a genuine similarity between the EU and the Third Reich.

I suggest you read my post again, Nazi Germany wanted to be the major power in Europe, they wanted to expand their borders, and it was to the East where they looked, bullying such countries a Czechoslovakia, summoning their PM to Germany for an ultimatum, surrender or face the consequences, we are already on our way to take your capital city. The similarity being Switzerland being told to accept EU terms or lose its power. In no way did I intimate that slaughtering certain people was part of the deal.

 

[ElBurroSinNombre]

I suggest you read my post again, Nazi Germany wanted to be the major power in Europe, they wanted to expand their borders, and it was to the East where they looked, bullying such countries a Czechoslovakia, summoning their PM to Germany for an ultimatum, surrender or face the consequences, we are already on our way to take your capital city. The similarity being Switzerland being told to accept EU terms or lose its power. In no way did I intimate that slaughtering certain people was part of the deal.

So a threat of invasion and forced military rule is the equivalent of a negotiation about the power supply to a sovereign country?
Stop digging.
How does the EU want to expand their borders BTW?

 

[gjr69]

They obviously took being knocked out of the Euros by the Swiss very badly!

 

[Curryman]

I give up, it's useless dealing with the combined idiocy of those who read everything into a post, which doesn't exist, to suit their own agenda.

Oh, and I better hadn't mention that India has now become the latest nation to be upset by the EU over vaccinations.

I'm off for my shower. Play nicely, if that's possible.

 

[Foolweary]

Oh, and I better hadn't mention that India has now become the latest nation to be upset by the EU over vaccinations.

nation's don't get upset, nations have interests. Politicians work to further those interests.

Journalists write stories that pander to their customers pre-formed ideas.

Characterising nations as petulant children is almost certainly not going to be accurate journalism.

Attempting to describe the EU as the lonely bully who no one will play with anymore, just suggests you've fallen for some pretty shoddy journalism.

 

[coppiceman]

Sorry Curryman, it was a daft comparison on a story that might not even be true.

 

[King Billy]

I give up, it's useless dealing with the combined idiocy of those who read everything into a post, which doesn't exist, to suit their own agenda.

Oh, and I better hadn't mention that India has now become the latest nation to be upset by the EU over vaccinations.

I'm off for my shower. Play nicely, if that's possible.

Trust me Curryman they completely and deliberately miss the point of what your saying to suit their argument. The irony is they love a good Hitler/Nazi comparison when talking about any view even remotely right wing leaning.

 

[Kip]

Comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis are a staple part of the internet.

It's as silly when Curryman does it as when those on the Left accuse everyone of being 'far-right'.

 

[Mark_GT]

Is that a good or bad thing?

Good cryptic crossword and sport. Less sure about the politics but two out of three ain't bad as the fat bloke sang....

 

[Shandypants]

Is it?

Oh silly me, 75m people died in WW2 as a result of nazi Germany and 6m Jews were exterminated. I get your point the EU with their silly bureaucracy and pen pushing ways are far worse.

 

[Tangerinenick]

EU was a Nazi ideal long before the 50s. Let’s not re-write history. Merkel is the dominant politician and Germany the dominant economic power. Of course people will make a connection . Bollocks of course to compare the two…

 

[Foolweary]

It was also a Winston Churchill idea, which makes it all a bit irrelevant.

It's not dominated by Germany, it's notable how the major countries don't dominate the EU in fact, you just have to look at the rebellious east European narrative to see that clearly.
It's not unreasonable to think that the UKs biggest gripe when in the EU was that they couldn't dominate it. Even when the UK had probably the most advantageous arrangement of any member state.

 

[BWseasider]

I suggest you read my post again, Nazi Germany wanted to be the major power in Europe, they wanted to expand their borders, and it was to the East where they looked, bullying such countries a Czechoslovakia, summoning their PM to Germany for an ultimatum, surrender or face the consequences, we are already on our way to take your capital city. The similarity being Switzerland being told to accept EU terms or lose its power. In no way did I intimate that slaughtering certain people was part of the deal.

Nazi Germany isn't the only country in the world, or even in Europe to have done that, Nazi Germany is known for a lot worse than just intimidating other countries, which is why your comparison is daft - and does you no favors.

 

[Trammo]

EU have asked Interpol to issue an arrest warrant for Swiss Toni. Apparently he has been on tour in the EU drinking all their beer and making love to their beautiful women.

 

[BigHandsOliverKahn]

It would appear that the EU is at it again.

Switzerland, who have co-existed with the surrounding EU since its inception, and have seemingly had a reasonable agreement with the EU, pulled out of negotiations recently to renew and in some ways update their agreement with the EU due to their feeling that the demands of the EU were threatening their independence and right to be self-governing. It now appears that the EU has used the tactics the French have used in their fishing dispute with Jersey by threatening to cut electricity supplies to the Alpine nation unless they come back to the negotiating table. Totally unacceptable in my opinion.

This block is becoming more and more like the Germany of old, under Hitler, who wanted to be the major power in Europe and continue to harass and threaten everyone and anyone whom they can't control.

Aside from the O/P's utterly ridiculous comparison (he clearly has a continual hatred of all things EU), what he should see is that Switzerland are exercising their free right to go it their own way. Now, as with Brexit, that comes at a cost. You cannot continue to enjoy the same benefits (in this case lower power costs due to sharing across EU countries) if you choose to no longer be in the club. So all it means now Switzerland want to do things independently, is that the Swiss need to now provision their power supplies independently. I am sure they are capable of that. It may mean higher costs for them, but if that's their prefered option, they will go with that.

This attitude of leaving the EU but expecting the same benefits to continue is incredibly naïve.

 

[Jaffa_The_Hut]

Cracks started to appear when we voted to leave.
Cracks getting bigger and bigger now that not even bodge job can fix.

 

[Foolweary]

Cracks started to appear when we voted to leave.
Cracks getting bigger and bigger now that not even bodge job can fix.

It's been too long, thanks jaffa I'll add it to the list

Geert wilders will win in Holland the EU IS TOAST
le pen will be French president the EU IS TOAST
There's a refendum in Italy the EU IS TOAST
There's another referendum in Italy the EU IS TOAST
AFD will be in power in Germany the EU IS TOAST
Merkel is dieing of Parkinson's the EU IS TOAST
We've got more vaccines than you, the EU IS TOAST
NEXIT is March 2021, the EU IS TOAST
anger at the vaccine programme, the EU IS TOAST

And now

Switzerland chose not to further integrate, the EU IS TOAST

 

[RUSTY_2_STANDS]

Comparisons to Hitler and the Nazis are a staple part of the internet.

It's as silly when Curryman does it as when those on the Left accuse everyone of being 'far-right'.

I seem to remember one 'far left' poster on here comparing Boris Johnson to a Nazi. Name escapes me but something to do with feline rings a bell.

 

[Since1967]

Something as big and complex as the EU cannot be all 'good'or 'bad'. My personal view, at the time of the Brexit referendum, was that it was based on a flawed concept, it is fundamentally undemocratic and was developing in a way no-one other than a few bureaucrats ever intended. I was convinced we were better off out.
Since then the way the EU behaved in reaching agreement with us, it's shoddy and inefficient response to the vaccine requirement and it's bullying approach to other nations make me more convinced that ever we did the right thing.
The main sentiment of the O/P was absolutely right despite being hijacked in the current mode of stifling debate by imposing interpretations which were never intended.

 

[EagleDay]

Is Curryman trying to compare the military domination of Nazi Germany or the political aspirations to control Europe?

 

[Foolweary]

I know it suited a lot of people in the UK to discuss nothing about the EU vaccine deployment apart from difficulties, but when you look at the figures for the EU the vaccination program is incredible

 

[Matesrates]

Is Curryman trying to compare the military domination of Nazi Germany or the political aspirations to control Europe?

Dominance is dominance, achieved by different methods.

 

[Tangerinenick]

Of course Germany dominates the EU. On every level. Macron is their numero uno puppet.

 

[Curryman]

so why mention Hitler, you prick

Ok so I'm a prick am I? Your argument is lost as soon as you revert to name calling, which prompts the question, Recidivist is your name taken from your history? Just asking.

Dominance is dominance, achieved by different methods.

Thank goodness someone can see what I was suggesting. I could have used the word Stalin, who was just as big a murderer as was Hitler.

The point was that pre WW2 when the rise of the Nazi's was in full swing, and our Government along with other European Governments was appeasing both the Nazis in Germany and the Fascists in Italy, AH was busy planning the extension of land for the German people, firstly by taking back the lands that were removed from them, following The Treaty of Versailles, and then to move on to the lands west of the Urals, where most of their raw materials were sourced. If my history serves me correctly, Austria was the first country to be annexed, without a fight. Nothing was done to stop him, the international community stayed silent. Other areas such as the Sudetenland later became a major source of contention between Germany and Czechoslovakia. So much so that in 1938 participants at the Munich Conference yielded to AH and transferred it to Germany. These were the seeds that became the horror of WW2.

It would appear that the EU, although not using military force, are using similar tactics to try and secure a larger EU state, by using threats as their main weapon, knowing, for instance, that Switzerland is surrounded by EU members. I class this as a form of Blackmail. Presently they are using the threat of cutting the power off to Switzerland to bring them or should I say force them back to the negotiating table. What comes next? Closed borders? Closed airspace and so on? How would the Swiss survive?

In no way was the intention of using that monster's name in any way intended to include his horrendous crimes, but simply to identify the period of time I was referring to.

So there it is, and if you still believe in some way that I was condoning the crimes committed by the fascists, then I can only say you had better get your wish lists for Father Christmas ready or indeed get to sleep at night before Wee Willy Winky comes to get you!

 

[Walthamstow_Seasider]

So you've returned again after you umpteenth flounce

 

[Dirky]

Presumably the EU expected the Swiss to roll over ?

 

[Matesrates]

Presumably the EU expected the Swiss to roll over ?

They probably still do.

 

[tangerinenotorange]

It's been too long, thanks jaffa I'll add it to the list

Geert wilders will win in Holland the EU IS TOAST
le pen will be French president the EU IS TOAST
There's a refendum in Italy the EU IS TOAST
There's another referendum in Italy the EU IS TOAST
AFD will be in power in Germany the EU IS TOAST
Merkel is dieing of Parkinson's the EU IS TOAST
We've got more vaccines than you, the EU IS TOAST
NEXIT is March 2021, the EU IS TOAST
anger at the vaccine programme, the EU IS TOAST

And now
Switzerland chose not to further integrate, the EU IS TOAST

MEPs from 15 EU states joined forces yesterday to declare "resistance" against a European superstate stripping nations of their sovereignty bit by bit. The 'declaration of values' gave a stern warning to Brussels and unanimously pledged to form a new resistance against the creation of the United States of Europe in favour of more respect for sovereign nations. The declaration stated: "The use of political structures and law to create a European superstate and new forms of social structure is a manifestation of the dangerous and invasive social engineering of the past, which must prompt legitimate resistance".

Looks like the EU's resistance against the Commission's plans for a federal EU state with a federal EU army is slowly but surely gathering pace. The declaration went on to say

"The moralistic overactivity that we have seen in recent years in the EU institutions has resulted in a dangerous tendency to impose an ideological monopoly. All attempts to transform European institutions into bodies that take precedence over national constitutional institutions create chaos, undermine the sense of the treaties, question the fundamental role of Member States' constitutions, and the resulting disputes over competences are in effect settled by the brutal imposition of the will of politically stronger entities on weaker ones. This destroys the basis for the functioning of the European community as a community of free nations".

Tick tock tick tock

 

[Lost Seasider]

I know it suited a lot of people in the UK to discuss nothing about the EU vaccine deployment apart from difficulties, but when you look at the figures for the EU the vaccination program is incredible

Not really, they're still about a month behind the UK and US and are only really catching up now as we run out of people to vaccinate; perhaps more significantly the huge gap in first doses across Feb - Apr undoubtedly contributed to a large number of additional deaths and vaccinating across the summer only really protects them against a resurgence next winter.



Perhaps more fundamentally, they contributed nothing towards vaccine development, were late to the party in ordering, and only got to where they are today by piggy backing on investments made by the UK and USA.

 

[Plumbs]

It’s big news in Switzerland. I suspect the Swiss will be investing in creating some more hydro electric power plants in an effort to become self sufficient.

Its just water off a ducks back to them in fact they dont give a dam.

 

[Macseasider]

So you've returned again after you umpteenth flounce

I rarely read this side of the board and you are right. I read 2 threads and 2 different flounces.

 

[Foolweary]

Not really, they're still about a month behind the UK and US and are only really catching up now as we run out of people to vaccinate; perhaps more significantly the huge gap in first doses across Feb - Apr undoubtedly contributed to a large number of additional deaths and vaccinating across the summer only really protects them against a resurgence next winter.

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Perhaps more fundamentally, they contributed nothing towards vaccine development, were late to the party in ordering, and only got to where they are today by piggy backing on investments made by the UK and USA.

I understand we are all subject to our local propaganda but to give the obvious response

The Pfizer vaccine was developed by biontech a german company. 3 billion of these vaccines have been manufactured globally to date. The Marburg facility on its own will manufacture 750 million doses this year.

The covid death count in Germany is 40% lower than the UK in a population 25% larger, so no evidence of unnecessary deaths to be honest.

The daily case rate for UK is soaring, in Germany it's miniscule, as is the death rate in both countries.

But to go back to my original point the EU vaccination program is colossal, referring to the numbers above, it dwarfs even the US in scale approx 375 million doses to 335 million doses so far. Only China seems to have had as large an effect.

 

[Foolweary]

MEPs from 15 EU states joined forces yesterday to declare "resistance" against a European superstate stripping nations of their sovereignty bit by bit. The 'declaration of values' gave a stern warning to Brussels and unanimously pledged to form a new resistance against the creation of the United States of Europe in favour of more respect for sovereign nations. The declaration stated: "The use of political structures and law to create a European superstate and new forms of social structure is a manifestation of the dangerous and invasive social engineering of the past, which must prompt legitimate resistance".

Looks like the EU's resistance against the Commission's plans for a federal EU state with a federal EU army is slowly but surely gathering pace. The declaration went on to say

"The moralistic overactivity that we have seen in recent years in the EU institutions has resulted in a dangerous tendency to impose an ideological monopoly. All attempts to transform European institutions into bodies that take precedence over national constitutional institutions create chaos, undermine the sense of the treaties, question the fundamental role of Member States' constitutions, and the resulting disputes over competences are in effect settled by the brutal imposition of the will of politically stronger entities on weaker ones. This destroys the basis for the functioning of the European community as a community of free nations".

Tick tock tick tock

You just can't stop it can you.

It's the same behaviour as those dooms day cults. As soon as one EU apocalypse passes you just predict another one and expect it to convince us even though the previous 7 predictions passed with no effect.

The End is Nigh!

 

[Lost Seasider]

The Pfizer vaccine was developed by biontech a german company. 3 billion of these vaccines have been manufactured globally to date. The Marburg facility on its own will manufacture 750 million doses this year.

Without assistance or support from the EU, who didn't even get around to ordering it until November.

The covid death count in Germany is 40% lower than the UK in a population 25% larger,

Most of which were before the February, and thus before the vaccine programme started to have an effect.

Also there are plenty of countries in the EU with a far higher death rate than the UK

so no evidence of unnecessary deaths to be honest.

The daily case rate for UK is soaring, in Germany it's miniscule, as is the death rate in both countries.

The EU's case rate is starting to go up and Delta is now 33% of cases sampled in Germany

But to go back to my original point the EU vaccination program is colossal, referring to the numbers above, it dwarfs even the US in scale approx 375 million doses to 335 million doses so far. Only China seems to have had as large an effect.

I think you'll find the effort is by the manufacturers, not the EU.

 

[Wizaard]

Without assistance or support from the EU, who didn't even get around to ordering it until November.




Most of which were before the February, and thus before the vaccine programme started to have an effect.

Also there are plenty of countries in the EU with a far higher death rate than the UK




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The EU's case rate is starting to go up and Delta is now 33% of cases sampled in Germany




I think you'll find the effort is by the manufacturers, not the EU.

And the effort is by the manufacturers in this country.

 

[In the net]

To compare the EU to Germany under Hitler do you no favours at all. Utterly ridiculous.

Not much difference. Pleased we are no longer a part of it. Our fore fathers fought two world wars so we can live a good life.

 

[Wizaard]

Not much difference. Pleased we are no longer a part of it. Our fore fathers fought two world wars so we can live a good life.

And the EEC was set up as a direct attempt to make sure it didn't happen again.

 

[In the net]

And the EEC was set up as a direct attempt to make sure it didn't happen again.

The original Common Market agreed but not what it has become.

 

[Shandypants]

Not much difference. Pleased we are no longer a part of it. Our fore fathers fought two world wars so we can live a good life.

Ridiculous comment. The wealth of this country has increased since we become a member.