Team for Tuesday

Phil_bfc deux said:
You give it a rest stalking me you freak
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You’re an odd fella, calling someone a stalker for replying to you on a public forum you daft bald **.

Maybe if you weren’t so stubborn about every single subject you’re wrong about, people like me wouldn’t have to point it out to you.
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
You’re an odd fella, calling someone a stalker for replying to you on a public forum you daft bald **.

Maybe if you weren’t so stubborn about every single subject you’re wrong about, people like me wouldn’t have to point it out to you.
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Nah you do stalk me every single post you disagree with me on and everytime some other fcuker also disagrees with me you like their post

Can you actually think for yourself instead of just disagreeing because it's me

Play the ball not the man eh boy
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Nah you do stalk me every single post you disagree with me on and everytime some other fcuker also disagrees with me you like their post

Can you actually think for yourself instead of just disagreeing because it's me

Play the ball not the man eh boy
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There’s a reason I disagree with 99% of the waffle you post, because it’s wrong.

When someone does the research to prove you wrong you refuse to listen, it’s like a little child.

We agree that the squad is crying out for 4231 but calling out the manager for playing 5 at the back away at two quality sides is a little premature, as I’ve said, if he plays 5 at the back Tuesday and Saturday then I’ll worry.

I won’t cry over it just yet.
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
There’s a reason I disagree with 99% of the waffle you post, because it’s wrong.

When someone does the research to prove you wrong you refuse to listen, it’s like a little child.

We agree that the squad is crying out for 4231 but calling out the manager for playing 5 at the back away at two quality sides is a little premature, as I’ve said, if he plays 5 at the back Tuesday and Saturday then I’ll worry.

I won’t cry over it just yet.
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I'm not crying either I'm just pointing out that appointing a manager like McCarthy with the players we have is a bit ** stupid

Oh and BFC X 3s stats were bullshit as I've proven because he's only given stats on about half of McCarthy's matches
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
Oh and BFC X 3s stats were bullshit as I've proven because he's only given stats on about half of McCarthy's matches
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So you’re just assuming that the missing matches are all 5 at the back to prove your point? Although the majority of the other matches say your point is complete bollocks?

Let’s see what he does for the next two matches, if it’s the same as today then we’re bang in trouble.
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
So you’re just assuming that the missing matches are all 5 at the back to prove your point? Although the majority of the other matches say your point is complete bollocks?

Let’s see what he does for the next two matches, if it’s the same as today then we’re bang in trouble.
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No I'm not, you are the one assuming

I'm saying posting half baked stats to try and make a point is ridiculous as I've quite rightly pointed out
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
No I'm not, you are the one assuming

I'm saying posting half baked stats to try and make a point is ridiculous as I've quite rightly pointed out
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Your argument was ‘that’s his go to formation’ and someone has proven over the course of his career, that he doesn’t really have a ‘go to formation’ as he’s used various.

I guess if you can’t understand that then there’s really no hope at all.
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
Your argument was ‘that’s his go to formation’ and someone has proven over the course of his career, that he doesn’t really have a ‘go to formation’ as he’s used various.

I guess if you can’t understand that then there’s really no hope at all.
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He has a proven way of playing irrelevant of the formation and anyway I don't trust any of the stats that BFC posted

If he can't get all the data then a little bit of data means fcuk all
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
It will he 532 again get used to it
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I really hope you are wrong.
I will cut McCarthy some slack for these first 2 games.
I'm sure the players all work hard in training, listen to what the Managers says, work his formations but it seems to me they don't seem capable of doing the same on the pitch.
Looking at the stats today we only made 93 successful passes with a pass success rate of 50% (Boro 549 and 85%).
Every match our pass success rate is poor and I suspect that wouldn't improve noticeably whoever was in charge.
We actually had as many shots as Boro, 13 each but only 1 on target to their 6.
Again I'm not sure how that would affected by a different Manager.
BUT like most posters I dont think we are playing our best formation and as a consequence we're not getting the best out of our squad.
So I'll give Mick the chance to realise this and if we set up 5-3-2 on Tuesday I'll be worried.
 
Insider said:
I really hope you are wrong.
I will cut McCarthy some slack for these first 2 games.
I'm sure the players all work hard in training, listen to what the Managers says, work his formations but it seems to me they don't seem capable of doing the same on the pitch.
Looking at the stats today we only made 93 successful passes with a pass success rate of 50% (Boro 549 and 85%).
Every match our pass success rate is poor and I suspect that wouldn't improve noticeably whoever was in charge.
We actually had as many shots as Boro, 13 each but only 1 on target to their 6.
Again I'm not sure how that would affected by a different Manager.
BUT like most posters I dont think we are playing our best formation and as a consequence we're not getting the best out of our squad.
So I'll give Mick the chance to realise this and if we set up 5-3-2 on Tuesday I'll be worried.
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That's better good stats them

I would be interested to know if those passing stats are the lowest of the season so far
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
That's better good stats them

I would be interested to know if those passing stats are the lowest of the season so far
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All the stats are on the thread so if you are bothered have a look at them all.
However the next lowest number of passes was Wigan 203/119/59% and the best was Milwall 451/347/77%
 
Insider said:
All the stats are on the thread so if you are bothered have a look at them all.
However the next lowest number of passes was Wigan 203/119/59% and the best was Milwall 451/347/77%
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Fair enough Wigan with 10 men and Millwall with a back 3

So yeah my concerns about McCarthy are real
 
Maxwell
lyons Connolly Goode nelson/thompson
Trybull dougall bowler rogers
Poveda yates
Bench
Grimshaw
Patino cj Madine lavery
Nelson/thompson Thornley
 
Grimshaw

Connolly Goode Nelson Lyons

Bowler Dougall Trybull CJ/Rogers

Poveda

Yates
 
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Insider said:
I really hope you are wrong.
I will cut McCarthy some slack for these first 2 games.
I'm sure the players all work hard in training, listen to what the Managers says, work his formations but it seems to me they don't seem capable of doing the same on the pitch.
Looking at the stats today we only made 93 successful passes with a pass success rate of 50% (Boro 549 and 85%).
Every match our pass success rate is poor and I suspect that wouldn't improve noticeably whoever was in charge.
We actually had as many shots as Boro, 13 each but only 1 on target to their 6.
Again I'm not sure how that would affected by a different Manager.
BUT like most posters I dont think we are playing our best formation and as a consequence we're not getting the best out of our squad.
So I'll give Mick the chance to realise this and if we set up 5-3-2 on Tuesday I'll be worried.
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I said it earlier buy I'm not sure formation is the pressing concern, the manager needs to get the player's confidence back because right now they're nervous and panicky, they look a bit shot to me.
 
We really need to attack Huddersfield and create chances. Also, need to start controlling games. Something we never seem to do.


Grimshaw

Lyons Goode Nelson Husband

Connolly Trybull

Bowler Poveda Morgan

Yates
 
Thorniley HAS to play, he is our best defender. I wouldn’t have Thompson anywhere near the side, he’s a liability.

Most of all though, we need to play a system that suits our players - and that is not five at the back and hoofball!
 
Looking back to last season’s PNE game, this was the set up:
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We bossed the game - I’d be happy with 4-4-2, same two up front, Poveda/CJ on the left, German lad with Dougall in the middle. Need to be harder to beat in the middle and have Madine battling for balls up front.
 
Junior_BentsPlatformShoes said:
Looking back to last season’s PNE game, this was the set up:
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We bossed the game - I’d be happy with 4-4-2, same two up front, Poveda/CJ on the left, German lad with Dougall in the middle. Need to be harder to beat in the middle and have Madine battling for balls up front.
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I thought King Kenny looked sharp when he came on and he can be the more forward of the holding pairing. He put a peach of a ball through to CJ. I don't really know yet what Trybull offers because it's sometimes hard to pick a player out on TV coverage when you don't know them that well. I wouldn't start CJ but swap him for Rogers. Fitting Poveda into 4-4-2 is difficult because that formation's better suited to Gary/Jerry.
So Poveda and CJ might have to settle for being impact subs.
LB is problematical. I'm not a fan of Connolly at RB which would mean switching Lyons to LB. Thompson is a loose cannon but he does at least give you energy and enthusiasm and if CJ doesn't play he could provide the long throws.
Whatever happens it can't be 3 at the back.
 
Right trying again :)


Grimshaw

Connelly, Goode, Nelson, Lyons.

Bowler, Trybull, Dougall, Rogers

Poveda

Yates
 
Tangerine_Dream said:
Your argument was ‘that’s his go to formation’ and someone has proven over the course of his career, that he doesn’t really have a ‘go to formation’ as he’s used various.

I guess if you can’t understand that then there’s really no hope at all.
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In recent seasons he's played a 5 or 2DCM in over half the gam,es. We don't know the circumstances obviously, but clearly he isn't averse to the system.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I said it earlier buy I'm not sure formation is the pressing concern, the manager needs to get the player's confidence back because right now they're nervous and panicky, they look a bit shot to me.
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It's connected.

Confidence is partly linked to the belief you can do the task in hand and if the task in hand is unfamiliar, it'll take you time to develop the confidence in it.
 
First decision to be made. Play Bowler wide right or don't play him- he's a chocolate fireguard in midfield proper. That will go a long way to helping. Any formation needs to fit into that. Why misuse your best player by a mile and your best outlet.

Second decision is who partners Trybull. If we go a 5 (3) then Patino plays, Lyons goes to LWB and until Jordy G rides in on a white charger CC takes the RB and Thorniley comes in. The WB's must join in with midfield rather than getting too ahead and leaving space behind. In a 4, still tempted to keep Patino (the days of starting Dougall have gone).

The rest of the team should be a matter of form.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I'm not crying either I'm just pointing out that appointing a manager like McCarthy with the players we have is a bit ** stupid

Oh and BFC X 3s stats were bullshit as I've proven because he's only given stats on about half of McCarthy's matches
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You've not proven anything at all Phil, you're just clutching at straws..

The missing games...

There were 455 missing games that I didn't have any data for... As I said to you, those games cover the period from 1992 - 2007 so that's Mick's time at

1. Millwall (207 games of which I have info for 0) - 207 Missing
2. ROI (68 games of which I have info for 30) - 38 Missing
3. Sunderland (147 games of which I have info for 2) - 145 Missing
4. Wolves (270 games of which I have info for 208) - 62 Missing

That's 452 in total...

We know that he was rarely employing 3/5 at the back during that period and typically his 'go to' tactic was 4-4-2

As I said, the addition of those extra games just reinforces things further...

There is no doubt whatsoever that he's adopted this 5 at the back style in his more recent seasons though.
 
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