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hertfordseasider

hertfordseasider

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Who will be fighting relegation this season. It is exactly what I feared he is a boring, grey, tactically obsessed mismatch of a manager for us. I have seen enough now to realise it was a big mistake to reemploy him. We were absolutely shite, we have midfielders and hoofed it over and over again. We have one decent striker, we are too negative and we look more like a league 2 side than a Championship side.
I predict Critchley will be gone before Christmas if he continues with tactics like this. We have a dull owner and a dull manager. might as well change our strip to grey!
 
We’re 4 games in. We’re unbeaten. We haven’t conceded a goal yet. We’re just not getting the service to the strikers. I’m hoping a few things can be sorted before September. We need another big man for Lavery to play off & we need a bit more flare in the middle of the pitch. Norburn great at the defensive work. We just need something along side him that can move on into the oppositions 3rd. I do think we need to put the panic button on hold for now. Give it a few more games and see what the situation is. I’ve watched the last three games from the sunny Algarve, so maybe I’ve got rose tinted specs given my surroundings. But I'm not panicking just yet.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Who will be fighting relegation this season. It is exactly what I feared he is a boring, grey, tactically obsessed mismatch of a manager for us. I have seen enough now to realise it was a big mistake to reemploy him. We were absolutely shite, we have midfielders and hoofed it over and over again. We have one decent striker, we are too negative and we look more like a league 2 side than a Championship side.
I predict Critchley will be gone before Christmas if he continues with tactics like this. We have a dull owner and a dull manager. might as well change our strip to grey!
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On the plus side, this is similar to how his first 10 games transpired during his first spell with us so let's hope it then clicks like last time.

The one good thing about a slow start, it will make sure the club don't sit back and think they've cracked it before the transfer window shuts.

I am amazed how many hopeful long balls there were. It certainly wasn't possession based football.
 
Football is meant to be enjoyable. I've never been more bored by the last 2 performances.

I don't want to hear about clean sheets. Not interested. Want a team that tries to score goals. That is the whole purpose of football. This little grey man and his grey football is becoming very painful.
 
WeMightScrapeADraw said:
We’re 4 games in. We’re unbeaten. We haven’t conceded a goal yet. We’re just not getting the service to the strikers. I’m hoping a few things can be sorted before September. We need another big man for Lavery to play off & we need a bit more flare in the middle of the pitch. Norburn great at the defensive work. We just need something along side him that can move on into the oppositions 3rd. I do think we need to put the panic button on hold for now. Give it a few more games and see what the situation is. I’ve watched the last three games from the sunny Algarve, so maybe I’ve got rose tinted specs given my surroundings. But I'm not panicking just yet.
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Maybe we need to concede a goal to kick our arses into gear. All seems a bit lethargic at times. No real urgency apart from a few bursts when Virtue came on and one when Lavery finally got in around the back of their defence. The rest just looked like comfort football. Either play a very simple, safety-first pass or hoof it in hope to give a problem to someone else.
 
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Lala said:
I’m not going to go Sadler bashing, but agree re Critchley.

We should have struck out for a completely new manager like Rosenoir or the likes, when Critchley left. We need to stop being risk averse with managerial appointments. It’s dire and holding us back and dragging us down.
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Oh, go on, It's very invigorating when you start! 😉
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Maybe we need to concede a goal to kick our arses into gear. All seems a bit lethargic at times. No real urgency apart from a few bursts when Virtue came on and one when Lavery final got in around the back of their defence. The rest just looked like comfort football. Either play a very simple, safety-first pass or hoof it in hope to give a problem to someone else.
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All great points. Beesley isn’t what we need at the top of the pitch. A lot of side ways passing as well.
 
Lala said:
I’m not going to go Sadler bashing, but agree re Critchley.

We should have struck out for a completely new manager like Rosenoir or the likes, when Critchley left. We need to stop being risk averse with managerial appointments. It’s dire and holding us back and dragging us down.
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The problem with managers who aren’t risk averse is that they tend to lose matches.

Imagine if with this “dream manager” we’d lost every game so far this season.

I expect this board would be a calm and placid place like it usually is.
 
Tuesday night we played against a team who had 7 put past them on the opening day today it was team joint bottom of the league Orient who hadn’t a point until today 3 hours of hoofball without single goal four and a half hours if you count the Exeter game.

I’m just amazed at some of the comments about another clean sheet today we really do have some gullible fans on here. 🤷‍♂️
 
hertfordseasider said:
Who will be fighting relegation this season. It is exactly what I feared he is a boring, grey, tactically obsessed mismatch of a manager for us. I have seen enough now to realise it was a big mistake to reemploy him. We were absolutely shite, we have midfielders and hoofed it over and over again. We have one decent striker, we are too negative and we look more like a league 2 side than a Championship side.
I predict Critchley will be gone before Christmas if he continues with tactics like this. We have a dull owner and a dull manager. might as well change our strip to grey!
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Tactically obsessed?
Right lads get the ball and ** it over the top.
Very tactical!
 
It's not a problem with a possession based style more the tempo, it's just so pedestrian. Wellens team plays possession but with more intent on probably a quarter of the budget. For what it's worth I actually think they'll be okay this season.
Us, well what did we really expect, Norburn apart at 300k, we have signed freebies. We finished the game with Virtue, Carey, CJ, Beesley. Hardly a promotion pushing lineup is it. Critch is risk averse which is fine as long as you have 1 or 2 players who can make something happen as in Bowler or Yates. We have none of that, we are a boring beige wall I'm afraid.
 
Macseasider said:
That's just hearsay. We could also have won every game 5-0 with your imaginary "dream manager". Therefore your point is irrelevant.
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Not when you’re advocating a jump from “a safe pair of hands” to “let’s risk it all with an exciting new and untried manager”.

TBH the real debate is if you want excitement, are you prepared to take a series of losses on the chin? And stick with that manager? Even if it means relegation?

Or after the series of losses will we then get the often repeated refrain

“I don’t care about the quality. I don’t want to be entertained. I just want us to grind out the points”.

PS It wasn’t my imaginary “dream manager”. It was another poster who said we needed to take risks.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Not when you’re advocating a jump from “a safe pair of hands” to “let’s risk it all with an exciting new and untried manager”.

TBH the real debate is if you want excitement, are you prepared to take a series of losses on the chin? And stick with that manager? Even if it means relegation?

Or after the series of losses will we then get the often repeated refrain

“I don’t care about the quality. I don’t want to be entertained. I just want us to grind out the points”.

PS It wasn’t my imaginary “dream manager”. It was another poster who said we needed to take risks.
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So explain last season's 2 managers then/ we now have a third in the same vein, boring terrible football.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Who will be fighting relegation this season. It is exactly what I feared he is a boring, grey, tactically obsessed mismatch of a manager for us. I have seen enough now to realise it was a big mistake to reemploy him. We were absolutely shite, we have midfielders and hoofed it over and over again. We have one decent striker, we are too negative and we look more like a league 2 side than a Championship side.
I predict Critchley will be gone before Christmas if he continues with tactics like this. We have a dull owner and a dull manager. might as well change our strip to grey!
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Yet we started the day 4 points off the top, now it's 3. We obviously need another forward option, but apart from that we're OK. It will come. 5 consecutive clean sheets. We didn't get that many all season last time out.
 
Wizaard said:
Yet we started the day 4 points off the top, now it's 3. We obviously need another forward option, but apart from that we're OK. It will come. 5 consecutive clean sheets. We didn't get that many all season last time out.
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But it's so awful to watch Wiz, keep going like this and we'll drop like a stone.
 
For me, both Mac (#5) & Mex (#22) make perfectly valid points - it just depends on which side of the fence you fall.

It’s blatantly apparent, even at this stage of the season, that we’re firing blanks in search of a goal. That said - to go thus far without conceding is at least reassuring.

The missing factor, for me at least, which leads to to side with Mac’s viewpoint, is that at the end of the day it’s supposed to be entertainment - a release - rather than ‘win at all costs’ or even worse ‘avoid defeat at all costs’ which I fear is becoming all too apparent at present.

From an individual managerial perspective, I can see how that would be a consideration, but I can’t help but feel the paying punter is being short-changed thus far in pursuit of such a self-serving philosophy.
 
hertfordseasider said:
So explain last season's 2 managers then/ we now have a third in the same vein, boring terrible football.
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Two “risk averse” appointments who got us relegated.

A third “risk averse” appointment who will probably keep us in the league by not conceding goals and who, from his track record, may get us promoted if he can get the team and tactics right.

Compared to your Unicorn “dream manager” plucked from who knows where, who’ll instantly produce not only exciting footballing spectacles but also results that’ll get us promoted as champions.

How many matches have to watched that have been thrill a thons? And how many have been boring as feck but grinded out the points?
 
The thing about clean sheets and draws is it's ok for a few games but how much more can we tolerate if we desire to go back up. There's loads on here defending the bore draws but will the feelings be the same after 46 games with only circa 46 points on the board. I'm sure everyone will be queuing up to shake his hand on keeping us up.
 
Bluecabinboy said:
For me, both Mac (#5) & Mex (#22) make perfectly valid points - it just depends on which side of the fence you fall.

It’s blatantly apparent, even at this stage of the season, that we’re firing blanks in search of a goal. That said - to go thus far without conceding is at least reassuring.

The missing factor, for me at least, which leads to to side with Mac’s viewpoint, is that at the end of the day it’s supposed to be entertainment - a release - rather than ‘win at all costs’ or even worse ‘avoid defeat at all costs’ which I fear is becoming all too apparent at present.

From an individual managerial perspective, I can see how that would be a consideration, but I can’t help but feel the paying punter is being short-changed thus far in pursuit of such a self-serving philosophy.
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I agree with a lot of that

The business case is interesting. There will always be a hard core who will shell out for a season ticket regardless. They boast about it all the time on here.

There are others who will pay according to whether they can make a particular match and that’s when the “entertainment” factor kicks in.

Where the numbers/cash break I have no idea. But yeah entertainment comes into the financial equation certainly.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Not when you’re advocating a jump from “a safe pair of hands” to “let’s risk it all with an exciting new and untried manager”.

TBH the real debate is if you want excitement, are you prepared to take a series of losses on the chin? And stick with that manager? Even if it means relegation?

Or after the series of losses will we then get the often repeated refrain

“I don’t care about the quality. I don’t want to be entertained. I just want us to grind out the points”.

PS It wasn’t my imaginary “dream manager”. It was another poster who said we needed to take risks.
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I meant more of a risk when hiring a manager. Going backwards all of the time is the absolute opposite of risky, it’s not even normal !
It’s lacking in any foresight and it’s certainly not paying off.
 
The most bipolar poster on here.

For reference, the OP called Sadler rehiring Critchley “a stroke of genius” after Burton.

No nuance to his opinions, just idiotically lurching from BEAT THING EVA to WORST THING EVA, hour to hour.
 
HetzkeBlaster said:
The thing about clean sheets and draws is it's ok for a few games but how much more can we tolerate if we desire to go back up. There's loads on here defending the bore draws but will the feelings be the same after 46 games with only circa 46 points on the board. I'm sure everyone will be queuing up to shake his hand on keeping us up
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Mexboroseasider said:
I agree with a lot of that

The business case is interesting. There will always be a hard core who will shell out for a season ticket regardless. They boast about it all the time on here.

There are others who will pay according to whether they can make a particular match and that’s when the “entertainment” factor kicks in.

Where the numbers/cash break I have no idea. But yeah entertainment comes into the financial equation certainly.
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8,000 season tickets means the gate is at least that every week. That money has been banked, so gate money will be mainly away fans from now on, unless we're in the picture at Christmas, and the floating fans who follow success get involved.
 
no -one in midfield who actually wants to run forward with the ball. Only time it happened was when Carey came on and he ran forty yars or so forward with the ball and slipped think it was Hamilton in.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Who will be fighting relegation this season. It is exactly what I feared he is a boring, grey, tactically obsessed mismatch of a manager for us. I have seen enough now to realise it was a big mistake to reemploy him. We were absolutely shite, we have midfielders and hoofed it over and over again. We have one decent striker, we are too negative and we look more like a league 2 side than a Championship side.
I predict Critchley will be gone before Christmas if he continues with tactics like this. We have a dull owner and a dull manager. might as well change our strip to grey!
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Good shout, let's get another flamboyant owner in an electric blue suit, sheepskin coat and fedora hat, that went well.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Who will be fighting relegation this season. It is exactly what I feared he is a boring, grey, tactically obsessed mismatch of a manager for us. I have seen enough now to realise it was a big mistake to reemploy him. We were absolutely shite, we have midfielders and hoofed it over and over again. We have one decent striker, we are too negative and we look more like a league 2 side than a Championship side.
I predict Critchley will be gone before Christmas if he continues with tactics like this. We have a dull owner and a dull manager. might as well change our strip to grey!
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3 teams that parked the bus, we will do better against the better teams.
 
WeMightScrapeADraw said:
We’re 4 games in. We’re unbeaten. We haven’t conceded a goal yet. We’re just not getting the service to the strikers. I’m hoping a few things can be sorted before September. We need another big man for Lavery to play off & we need a bit more flare in the middle of the pitch. Norburn great at the defensive work. We just need something along side him that can move on into the oppositions 3rd. I do think we need to put the panic button on hold for now. Give it a few more games and see what the situation is. I’ve watched the last three games from the sunny Algarve, so maybe I’ve got rose tinted specs given my surroundings. But I'm not panicking just yet.
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I’ve watched every game so far from Moscow, I’m still positive that the season will turn out well for us, so it’s not the Algarve!
 
Albert Ross said:
The two 7s were freak results they happen, Orient will go down.
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Not sure they will from what I saw today, Archibald and Galbraith look like decent footballers, Orient looked capable of staying up to me unless we are really shit like Burton!
 
Macseasider said:
Football is meant to be enjoyable. I've never been more bored by the last 2 performances.

I don't want to hear about clean sheets. Not interested. Want a team that tries to score goals. That is the whole purpose of football. This little grey man and his grey football is becoming very painful.
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No one cares about clean sheets. It’s points and wins that are necessary It is a worry we are a tenth of the season in and have no proper centre forward or an identity. Wellens today was animated and invested You just feel critchley is beige certainly not tangerine
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Tuesday night we played against a team who had 7 put past them on the opening day today it was team joint bottom of the league Orient who hadn’t a point until today 3 hours of hoofball without single goal four and a half hours if you count the Exeter game.

I’m just amazed at some of the comments about another clean sheet today we really do have some gullible fans on here. 🤷‍♂️
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Total missed opportunity. Orient were nervy their keeper had been spooked early doors and then was clattered but we applied no pressure and paid the price for our spineless performance
 
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