Lytham_fy8
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'And some fans passed away and never went back'
Close to home here that one.
Close to home here that one.
I did a table the other week outlining what would happen if Reading disappeared tomorrow, and we would lose ground at the top. To be fair, should they lose more of their best players we may get some of that benefit back later in the season.When did you do direct action?
And nobody is saying they shouldn't do it at Reading. Why will we lose a lot more than most? 3 points. Even Fleetwood beat them away. I don't recall their fans being particularly supportive of us either. Brighton, Orient, Derby yes - but Reading?
But there is a fundamental problem whoever is in charge - whether it’s the EFL or an independent regulator.On the contrary. The support we had from the fans of other clubs was outstanding. Not just Blackburn/Orient/Charlton and other crisis clubs but everyone. Those of us who stood outside the ground every match day from 2015 to 2019, leafleting visiting fans week after week, month after month, year after year, will agree that overall, other clubs' fans were very much onside. They chanted anti Oyston stuff, they bought food and drink from local shops and not the ground, they smuggled in banners and many of them gave financial donations to J4F. The BST leaflets went everywhere and really helped to educate other fans as to what we were doing and why.
Given how long our campaign went on and how tough it was, just getting other fans putting an arm round your shoulder and saying "keep going" was worth a very great deal.
That's why I can't turn a blind eye to the problems other fans are facing now. If we can help in any way, however small, we should do it.
And we’re trying to change the system. But people outside of football need to know the system is broken and the effects this can have. Otherwise there’s no buy-in to implement change. So just sitting back and waiting for change is not an option.No, we have to change the system. Everything else is futile.
Exactly. Which is why this is an issue for fans of all clubs. I don't understand this insular, narrow view of " only interested in my club". Of course our club is out main priority but as we don't exist in a bubble, the things going on elsewhere can affect us too.But there is a fundamental problem whoever is in charge - whether it’s the EFL or an independent regulator.
Rogue owners will have to be punished.
Punishing rogue owners means punishing the club.
Punishing the club means punishing the fans.
That’s the nut that needs to be cracked.
I agree.Exactly. Which is why this is an issue for fans of all clubs. I don't understand this insular, narrow view of " only interested in my club". Of course our club is out main priority but as we don't exist in a bubble, the things going on elsewhere can affect us too.
That's why we used to say, you're only ever one owner away from a potential nightmare. Until the system is changed, every club is vulnerable.
So this stuff really, really matters.
They know it's broken, as is everything else. It's a huge political problem to solve.And we’re trying to change the system. But people outside of football need to know the system is broken and the effects this can have. Otherwise there’s no buy-in to implement change. So just sitting back and waiting for change is not an option.
I don't recall them being particularly supportive and not their fans as a whole.Reading's ST are well established, well respected and have always been very supportive of us.
Are you a parody account or just a massive loser ????I note that some BST members have recently applauded the direct action by Reading fans in causing match abandonment.
They should be more concerned with the integrity of the competition rather than reliving their past exploits vicariously, particularly as there is a chance that the club will need a result at Reading on the last day of the season in order to reach the play-offs.
It would be oh so ironic if this behaviour of Reading fans which many Blackpool fans endorse caused the abandonment of the last game of the season and for the club to consequently miss out.
Are you sure it wasn't a suggestion box?I heard from a Nobber mate that collection boxes were going around Dumpdale in support of our cause, don’t know whether this true or not
I'd say that I'm either, neither or both.Are you a parody account or just a massive loser ????
Not sure MGT hence my question but I'll ask him again next weekAre you sure it wasn't a suggestion box?
Another way of thinking about this - if the Nobbers went out of business (quite possible I'd say, should Hemmings' offspring decide the pull the rug on their horrendous losses when he goes "on" to the great Dumpdale in the sky), how would we all feel? I'd be amused initially but then a bit sorry that we had lost our natural enemy. What is sport without rivalry, and for that you need rivals.
Yes the current system is broken.They know it's broken, as is everything else. It's a huge political problem to solve.
which is what the ex owner of the mirror wanted. maxwell. back in the day.Another club trying to live beyond its means and status. They've been a lower league team for most of their history.
However, the problem really is the impossibility of trying to compete financially with the big city clubs.
And that's a problem for the vast majority now, with Forest the latest victims. Two-time European cup winners when football was still a sport.
I don't like Reading much either. Maybe they should have merged with Oxford.
Yep, agree with all of that. The cynic in me thinks that the EPL are purposely dithering over City and Chelsea in order to be able to pass them on. Having first made an inane decision on Everton that frames the argument, naturally.Yes the current system is broken.
I think an independent regulator is a first step in mending the system but it certainly isn’t a magic wand. And an independent regulator will have to make decisions that will hurt clubs/fans of those clubs.
That’ll be the real test. When clubs are still going under, but it’s on the regulator’s watch. Not the EFL’s.
People need to be prepared for that.
Correct JMT...NO fans of whatever club wants it run by eff yu up or whatever foriegn owner running it into the ground. Solidarity with Reading or the biscuitmen as they used to be known. Because they were the works team of Huntley and Palmer. Could be wrong but i am sure about that. CRUMBZ.
thankxz satriales. what a sad situation. yes the biscuitmen. funny how i remembered that.Correct JMT...
Huntley and Palmer were once the biggest employer in Reading.
Yeah a few weirdos from other cubs held a few scarves up every now and again for a facebook pictureOn the contrary. The support we had from the fans of other clubs was outstanding. Not just Blackburn/Orient/Charlton and other crisis clubs but everyone. Those of us who stood outside the ground every match day from 2015 to 2019, leafleting visiting fans week after week, month after month, year after year, will agree that overall, other clubs' fans were very much onside. They chanted anti Oyston stuff, they bought food and drink from local shops and not the ground, they smuggled in banners and many of them gave financial donations to J4F. The BST leaflets went everywhere and really helped to educate other fans as to what we were doing and why.
Given how long our campaign went on and how tough it was, just getting other fans putting an arm round your shoulder and saying "keep going" was worth a very great deal.
That's why I can't turn a blind eye to the problems other fans are facing now. If we can help in any way, however small, we should do it.
Good job we had you leading us Phil rather than ChristineYeah a few weirdos from other cubs held a few scarves up every now and again for a facebook picture
I'm talking about bigger things like away fans boycotting our ground, did that ever happen
Very few joined our marches or protests
I spent about a month on other clubs message boards along with a few others trying to really drum up support from other clubs fans from all leagues and nobody really gave a fuck, i know it doesn't suit your agenda now you are part of this FSA bollocks but trying to re write history makes me think you have been in Basil Robbies company for too long
As he also talks horse shite
Its been a long tome since i read such nonsense on this board to be honestThere is some odd logic in play here.
Direct action when we do it is OK, but not for anyone else. This guy has cost them sixteen points, and one of those deductions got them relegated last season. He's also sold the stadium to himself, meaning administration is probably too much of a risk because the football club has little in the way of assets.
It's clear the EFL are at their wits end. They have found that points deductions make no difference to him. They ask for financial guarantees - he doesn't give them. They fine him - and he doesn't pay. They want him to sell, but having overpaid for the club in the first place he wants a price he is very unlikely to get. They also would like to force him to divest himself of the club - but have no powers to do it. If you were a Reading fan, watching all this, what would you do?
Even if you don't see the principle involved, we do have at least two vested interests here. The first is that if Reading fold or are expelled from the League (both of which are possible), then we stand to lose more than most if their record get expunged. The second vested interest is that of our owner. He's playing by the financial rules - he's entitled to expect regulatory action that deals with this sort of thing, and in this case he isn't getting it.
The pyramid lives or dies on 92 clubs being safe and secure. It's all very well not caring about Reading, but we do need other clubs to play. Their fans, contrary to what has been said above, were always supportive of us in our times of trouble.
Final thing Briggs5, I don't know whether you read BST Newsletters, but the latest one contains :
- notes on what we doing to get young people involved at our club
- an update on our latest meeting with Julian Winter, also about fan engagement
- BST mascots - one for EVERY home league game
- representations we made to the FA about how they messed YOU about re FA Cup Round 2
- support for a Blackpool fan led fundraiser
- requests for information about stewarding at the Exeter game
Facts and perceptions are not necessarily always the same.
People will show solidarity with RFC tomorrow at dozens of grounds. We are just reminding our away support that it is happening and they can join in (or not) as they wish.
I can't remember Christine leading anythingGood job we had you leading us Phil rather than Christine
Who did ?Its been a long tome since i read such nonsense on this board to be honest
I can't remember Christine leading anything
No one person lead anything to be honestWho did ?
I tell you what isn't a good look and that's you and a few others from BST trying to re write historyThey did but a few had to put themselves into the direct firing line after I got sued and you seem to have an issue with them
It’s not a good look
No one is trying to re-write history however certain people put themselves in the direct firing line and after I got sued that took real gutsI tell you what isn't a good look and that's you and a few others from BST trying to re write history
Loads of people put themselves in the firing line and it wasn't inclusive of a few of the BST top table
Wow....No one is trying to re-write history however certain people put themselves in the direct firing line and after I got sued that took real guts
Far more than getting to the corner flag v Derby
That’s it Phil accuse someone of being drunk because they challenge your narrativeWow....
What about the Arsenal game and the coach, or the 50 who marched downed Yeadon Way in case the coach came that way, what about trying to topple over Oyston in his car or the lads who got the pitch invasion going or the massive social media campaign or the balcony boys
or what about the tennis balls etc
No guts in any of the above them?
Or even the people who didn't shit it on this very site when you got sued
I take it you've been on the gin again as you are bang out of order
Will speak to you next home game
Like i said, since TT got involved, there has been a refocus on issues solely affecting Blackpool fans. I've said in this very thread that it's good BST are helping out other clubs with their expertise.There is some odd logic in play here.
Direct action when we do it is OK, but not for anyone else. This guy has cost them sixteen points, and one of those deductions got them relegated last season. He's also sold the stadium to himself, meaning administration is probably too much of a risk because the football club has little in the way of assets.
It's clear the EFL are at their wits end. They have found that points deductions make no difference to him. They ask for financial guarantees - he doesn't give them. They fine him - and he doesn't pay. They want him to sell, but having overpaid for the club in the first place he wants a price he is very unlikely to get. They also would like to force him to divest himself of the club - but have no powers to do it. If you were a Reading fan, watching all this, what would you do?
Even if you don't see the principle involved, we do have at least two vested interests here. The first is that if Reading fold or are expelled from the League (both of which are possible), then we stand to lose more than most if their record get expunged. The second vested interest is that of our owner. He's playing by the financial rules - he's entitled to expect regulatory action that deals with this sort of thing, and in this case he isn't getting it.
The pyramid lives or dies on 92 clubs being safe and secure. It's all very well not caring about Reading, but we do need other clubs to play. Their fans, contrary to what has been said above, were always supportive of us in our times of trouble.
Final thing Briggs5, I don't know whether you read BST Newsletters, but the latest one contains :
- notes on what we doing to get young people involved at our club
- an update on our latest meeting with Julian Winter, also about fan engagement
- BST mascots - one for EVERY home league game
- representations we made to the FA about how they messed YOU about re FA Cup Round 2
- support for a Blackpool fan led fundraiser
- requests for information about stewarding at the Exeter game
Facts and perceptions are not necessarily always the same.
People will show solidarity with RFC tomorrow at dozens of grounds. We are just reminding our away support that it is happening and they can join in (or not) as they wish.
No its you that's pathetic trying to make out you and your ilk are the only ones who did anythingThat’s it Phil accuse someone of being drunk because they challenge your narrative
No one is saying those initiatives didn’t play there part - its you repeatedly targeting those at BST that put themselves directly in the firing line
It’s frankly pathetic
I don't forget anything. I'm talking on my own behalfI always will Phil as I hold both her and Steve in high regard
You seem to forget the synergies between BST and TKs and later also MSG
I really don’t see the need for your divisive posts
I think you are perhaps over-egging my contributions and influence here.Like i said, since TT got involved, there has been a refocus on issues solely affecting Blackpool fans. I've said in this very thread that it's good BST are helping out other clubs with their expertise.
Yeah I agree with all that.The “if you punish the club you punish the fans” argument is precisely why you need responsible organised fans groups, to put pressure on at the time of sale to ensure it’s to the right people, and to maintain a working relationship with the cloud so that should things start to turn sour, the fans can be a part of helping to try to sort things out if possible, rather than being left in the dark and ending up protesting.
That would be “awful” and would not be “out of sync” with some of the “awful” luck Blackpool have suffered over the years.I note that some BST members have recently applauded the direct action by Reading fans in causing match abandonment.
They should be more concerned with the integrity of the competition rather than reliving their past exploits vicariously, particularly as there is a chance that the club will need a result at Reading on the last day of the season in order to reach the play-offs.
It would be oh so ironic if this behaviour of Reading fans which many Blackpool fans endorse caused the abandonment of the last game of the season and for the club to consequently miss out.
There is some odd logic in play here.
Direct action when we do it is OK, but not for anyone else. This guy has cost them sixteen points, and one of those deductions got them relegated last season. He's also sold the stadium to himself, meaning administration is probably too much of a risk because the football club has little in the way of assets.
It's clear the EFL are at their wits end. They have found that points deductions make no difference to him. They ask for financial guarantees - he doesn't give them. They fine him - and he doesn't pay. They want him to sell, but having overpaid for the club in the first place he wants a price he is very unlikely to get. They also would like to force him to divest himself of the club - but have no powers to do it. If you were a Reading fan, watching all this, what would you do?
Even if you don't see the principle involved, we do have at least two vested interests here. The first is that if Reading fold or are expelled from the League (both of which are possible), then we stand to lose more than most if their record get expunged. The second vested interest is that of our owner. He's playing by the financial rules - he's entitled to expect regulatory action that deals with this sort of thing, and in this case he isn't getting it.
The pyramid lives or dies on 92 clubs being safe and secure. It's all very well not caring about Reading, but we do need other clubs to play. Their fans, contrary to what has been said above, were always supportive of us in our times of trouble.
Final thing Briggs5, I don't know whether you read BST Newsletters, but the latest one contains :
- notes on what we doing to get young people involved at our club
- an update on our latest meeting with Julian Winter, also about fan engagement
- BST mascots - one for EVERY home league game
- representations we made to the FA about how they messed YOU about re FA Cup Round 2
- support for a Blackpool fan led fundraiser
- requests for information about stewarding at the Exeter game
Facts and perceptions are not necessarily always the same.
People will show solidarity with RFC tomorrow at dozens of grounds. We are just reminding our away support that it is happening and they can join in (or not) as they wish.
I'm not against Reading fans taking direct action, I'm against them taking direct action that negatively impacts us.That would be “awful” and would not be “out of sync” with some of the “awful” luck Blackpool have suffered over the years.
However…..I still get traumatised when I recall the desperate state OUR Club was in under Oyston control.
All I cared about then was the MASSIVE INJUSTICE served by the Oystons on to beloved OUR Community Asset.
I do think Readings circumstances are different but feel for the fans all the same & therefore have to praise any fans that fight the inept EFL and bad owners.
It’s the EFL that needs to get its house in order, they nearly killed OUR Club, we survived thankfully but Bury didn’t.
I support BST in their praise of Reading Fans actions :
“FOOTBALL WITHOUT FANS IS “NOTHING” AS ARE FANS WITHOUT A FOOTBALL CLUB”
#FuckTheEFL
To be fair to the EFL, they are much better at this sort of thing under Parry than they ever were under Harvey. In this case, they are constrained by their lack of powers to circumvent competition law. The only weapons they still have are pretty nuclear, unfortunately. I don't see administration being an immediate option, as it doesn't seem to benefit anyone but the owner.Robbie,
It all seems very simple to me. The amount of due diligence carried out on company purchases can take months. Due to the perceived need from the EFL to get a buyer in quickly, they seem to waive new owners through without all the necessary checks and balances.
I sometimes wonder if the EFL actually employ anyone who knows what due diligence really means. Perhaps they rely too much on the Administrators, who just wish to earn their fee and get on to the next one.
If I was there today I would join in, but fear in the future we are in danger of spending quite a lot of time doing this thing.
I get that and I agree I don’t want it impacting us either.I'm not against Reading fans taking direct action, I'm against them taking direct action that negatively impacts us.
The best thing they can do is to boycott en masse and protest outside the ground as we did. That type of direct action would maintain the integrity of the competition whilst still making their point.