Lytham_fy8
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'And some fans passed away and never went back'
Close to home here that one.
Close to home here that one.
the crisis at Reading
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basilrobbie3
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I did a table the other week outlining what would happen if Reading disappeared tomorrow, and we would lose ground at the top. To be fair, should they lose more of their best players we may get some of that benefit back later in the season.
Reading's ST are well established, well respected and have always been very supportive of us.
Anyway, if you are going tomorrow you can join in the support if you wish. The purpose of the OP was to keep people informed so they could make their own minds up.
Mexboroseasider
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But there is a fundamental problem whoever is in charge - whether it’s the EFL or an independent regulator.
Rogue owners will have to be punished.
Punishing rogue owners means punishing the club.
Punishing the club means punishing the fans.
That’s the nut that needs to be cracked.
Tangerine Tractor
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And we’re trying to change the system. But people outside of football need to know the system is broken and the effects this can have. Otherwise there’s no buy-in to implement change. So just sitting back and waiting for change is not an option.
CSSeasider
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Exactly. Which is why this is an issue for fans of all clubs. I don't understand this insular, narrow view of " only interested in my club". Of course our club is out main priority but as we don't exist in a bubble, the things going on elsewhere can affect us too.
That's why we used to say, you're only ever one owner away from a potential nightmare. Until the system is changed, every club is vulnerable.
So this stuff really, really matters.
Mexboroseasider
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I agree.
I do sort of understand the “I’m only interested in my club” mentality. But then I know the same people could be bleating about “useless and toothless authorities” a couple of months later. At the same time as not being prepared to do anything about trying to change the system. And moaning about the people who are.
But my point was different. It’s that whoever is in charge of regulation (EFL or independent regulator) there comes a point where an owner/club will have to be punished. When you punish a club, you punish the fans.
Loco
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They know it's broken, as is everything else. It's a huge political problem to solve.
Loco
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I don't recall them being particularly supportive and not their fans as a whole.
DreadPool
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Are you a parody account or just a massive loser ????
Mark_GT
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Are you sure it wasn't a suggestion box?I heard from a Nobber mate that collection boxes were going around Dumpdale in support of our cause, don’t know whether this true or not
Another way of thinking about this - if the Nobbers went out of business (quite possible I'd say, should Hemmings' offspring decide the pull the rug on their horrendous losses when he goes "on" to the great Dumpdale in the sky), how would we all feel? I'd be amused initially but then a bit sorry that we had lost our natural enemy. What is sport without rivalry, and for that you need rivals.
I'd say that I'm either, neither or both.
Anyway, I have some time on my hands and fancy getting into a facile debate with the board fantasist, so would you mind explaining to me what it is exactly about my post that his prompted this little outburst of yours?
TangerineBayern
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Not sure MGT hence my question but I'll ask him again next weekAre you sure it wasn't a suggestion box?
Another way of thinking about this - if the Nobbers went out of business (quite possible I'd say, should Hemmings' offspring decide the pull the rug on their horrendous losses when he goes "on" to the great Dumpdale in the sky), how would we all feel? I'd be amused initially but then a bit sorry that we had lost our natural enemy. What is sport without rivalry, and for that you need rivals.
Mexboroseasider
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Yes the current system is broken.
I think an independent regulator is a first step in mending the system but it certainly isn’t a magic wand. And an independent regulator will have to make decisions that will hurt clubs/fans of those clubs.
That’ll be the real test. When clubs are still going under, but it’s on the regulator’s watch. Not the EFL’s.
People need to be prepared for that.
JOHNMAJORTOM
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which is what the ex owner of the mirror wanted. maxwell. back in the day.
JOHNMAJORTOM
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NO fans of whatever club wants it run by eff yu up or whatever foriegn owner running it into the ground. Solidarity with Reading or the biscuitmen as they used to be known. Because they were the works team of Huntley and Palmer. Could be wrong but i am sure about that. CRUMBZ.
basilrobbie3
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Yep, agree with all of that. The cynic in me thinks that the EPL are purposely dithering over City and Chelsea in order to be able to pass them on. Having first made an inane decision on Everton that frames the argument, naturally.
Satriale's Pork Store
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JOHNMAJORTOM
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thankxz satriales. what a sad situation. yes the biscuitmen. funny how i remembered that.
Tangerine Tractor
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The “if you punish the club you punish the fans” argument is precisely why you need responsible organised fans groups, to put pressure on at the time of sale to ensure it’s to the right people, and to maintain a working relationship with the cloud so that should things start to turn sour, the fans can be a part of helping to try to sort things out if possible, rather than being left in the dark and ending up protesting.
Phil_bfc deux
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Yeah a few weirdos from other cubs held a few scarves up every now and again for a facebook picture
I'm talking about bigger things like away fans boycotting our ground, did that ever happen
Very few joined our marches or protests
I spent about a month on other clubs message boards along with a few others trying to really drum up support from other clubs fans from all leagues and nobody really gave a fuck, i know it doesn't suit your agenda now you are part of this FSA bollocks but trying to re write history makes me think you have been in Basil Robbies company for too long
As he also talks horse shite
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TwelveAngryMen
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Good job we had you leading us Phil rather than Christine
Don’t know where we’d be if you hadn’t got to the corner flag in the assault on the directors box v Derby
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Phil_bfc deux
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Its been a long tome since i read such nonsense on this board to be honest
I can't remember Christine leading anythingGood job we had you leading us Phil rather than Christine
TwelveAngryMen
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Who did ?
Phil_bfc deux
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No one person lead anything to be honest
As i remember loads of people were involved at various times to try and effect change
TwelveAngryMen
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They did but a few had to put themselves into the direct firing line after I got sued and you seem to have an issue with them
It’s not a good look
It’s not a good look
Phil_bfc deux
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I tell you what isn't a good look and that's you and a few others from BST trying to re write history
Loads of people put themselves in the firing line and it wasn't inclusive of a few of the BST top table
Satriale's Pork Store
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No one is saying it was.
At the end of the day if you don't think Reading FC (an older established club than us) and their fans deserve your solidarity and support then that is your choice.
But for goodness sake give it a rest.
At the end of the day if you don't think Reading FC (an older established club than us) and their fans deserve your solidarity and support then that is your choice.
But for goodness sake give it a rest.
TwelveAngryMen
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No one is trying to re-write history however certain people put themselves in the direct firing line and after I got sued that took real guts
Far more than getting to the corner flag v Derby
Putting it bluntly I’m sick of you having a pop at them
Blackpool_Rox
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From a Reading fan via a BFC fan …. don’t shoot the messenger you miserable lot with short memories 
‘’…… Yeah that was a balanced view from Basilrobbie
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Some of the others are not so supportive and I get that when the perception is from some that we have bought success, however, the facts are that when Coppell won the Championship in 2005/6 with 106 points, it was with a largely unknown squad with no well known stars who cost very little. It was very much a case of ‘the sum of the parts’ being greater than any individuals. That squad had no Premiership appearances prior to their debut in the Premier League, yet finished 8th, missing out on Europe by one goal.
When we won the Championship again in 2011/12, it was with a blend of Academy graduates and experienced old pros at the end of their careers, who again, cost very little. The common denominator in both seasons was Sir John Madejski who, although a wealthy man, also knew how to run a business, and spent fu** all on transfers. I think we spent £2.3m on transfers for the following season, but the fans were happy as we were doing it the ‘Reading Way’ and had pride in our club.
The ‘Russian Billionaire’ who took over the club from Sir John didn’t explain that it was his Dad who was the billionaire and he had to sell the club back to Sir John, when his dad stopped his pocket money! We were then sold to a Thai brother and sister who were mainly interested in the land around the stadium and had very little interest in investing in the football side.
They were persuaded to make a few signings by super agent Kia Joorabchin and they were mainly dross. However, Jaap Stam managed to get us to the play off final again with a largely young squad and didn’t use many of the money signings. Dai Yongge purchased the club at half time in the play off final in 2017. He did make some big money signings but was again taking advice from Joorabchin so very few of them turned out to be any good. He spent about £80m on building a new Training Centre, which is great, but as far as ‘buying success’ is concerned that’s a joke as pretty much all of the players he has bought have not lived up to their billing from Joorabchin. Dai Yongge has not ‘bought success’ and all we have had since his reign started has been steady decline and failure.
Basically all he bought was rubbish. For the past two or three years he just hasn’t been interested resulting in 16 points deducted for not doing what any business owner should do, pay the bills and pay the taxman!
In the seven years since he took over, he has not once communicated with the fans
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Oh for the John Madejski days when at least we knew what we were and what we stood for………’’
‘’…… Yeah that was a balanced view from Basilrobbie
.Some of the others are not so supportive and I get that when the perception is from some that we have bought success, however, the facts are that when Coppell won the Championship in 2005/6 with 106 points, it was with a largely unknown squad with no well known stars who cost very little. It was very much a case of ‘the sum of the parts’ being greater than any individuals. That squad had no Premiership appearances prior to their debut in the Premier League, yet finished 8th, missing out on Europe by one goal.
When we won the Championship again in 2011/12, it was with a blend of Academy graduates and experienced old pros at the end of their careers, who again, cost very little. The common denominator in both seasons was Sir John Madejski who, although a wealthy man, also knew how to run a business, and spent fu** all on transfers. I think we spent £2.3m on transfers for the following season, but the fans were happy as we were doing it the ‘Reading Way’ and had pride in our club.
The ‘Russian Billionaire’ who took over the club from Sir John didn’t explain that it was his Dad who was the billionaire and he had to sell the club back to Sir John, when his dad stopped his pocket money! We were then sold to a Thai brother and sister who were mainly interested in the land around the stadium and had very little interest in investing in the football side.
They were persuaded to make a few signings by super agent Kia Joorabchin and they were mainly dross. However, Jaap Stam managed to get us to the play off final again with a largely young squad and didn’t use many of the money signings. Dai Yongge purchased the club at half time in the play off final in 2017. He did make some big money signings but was again taking advice from Joorabchin so very few of them turned out to be any good. He spent about £80m on building a new Training Centre, which is great, but as far as ‘buying success’ is concerned that’s a joke as pretty much all of the players he has bought have not lived up to their billing from Joorabchin. Dai Yongge has not ‘bought success’ and all we have had since his reign started has been steady decline and failure.
Basically all he bought was rubbish. For the past two or three years he just hasn’t been interested resulting in 16 points deducted for not doing what any business owner should do, pay the bills and pay the taxman!
In the seven years since he took over, he has not once communicated with the fans
.Oh for the John Madejski days when at least we knew what we were and what we stood for………’’
Phil_bfc deux
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Wow....
What about the Arsenal game and the coach, or the 50 who marched downed Yeadon Way in case the coach came that way, what about trying to topple over Oyston in his car or the lads who got the pitch invasion going or the massive social media campaign or the balcony boys
or what about the tennis balls etc or the lads who went to multiple court cases to support fellow Pool fans
No guts in any of the above them?
Or even the people who didn't shit it on this very site when you got sued
I take it you've been on the gin again as you are bang out of order
Will speak to you next home game
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TwelveAngryMen
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That’s it Phil accuse someone of being drunk because they challenge your narrative
No one is saying those initiatives didn’t play their part - its you repeatedly targeting those at BST that put themselves directly in the firing line
It’s frankly pathetic
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Like i said, since TT got involved, there has been a refocus on issues solely affecting Blackpool fans. I've said in this very thread that it's good BST are helping out other clubs with their expertise.
Phil_bfc deux
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No its you that's pathetic trying to make out you and your ilk are the only ones who did anything
To be frank if the BST top table actually loosened the hand brake a little when you and the current SLO were running things a lot more could have happened
Anyway I'm out of this shite now as I've more important things to deal with
Nice to see you still have Lady Seddon's back though, so at least you have some loyalty and a bit of backbone left
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TwelveAngryMen
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I always will Phil as I hold both her and Steve in high regard
You seem to forget the synergies between BST and TKs and later also MSG
I really don’t see the need for your divisive posts
You seem to forget the synergies between BST and TKs and later also MSG
I really don’t see the need for your divisive posts
Phil_bfc deux
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I don't forget anything. I'm talking on my own behalf
I don't give a shit about Reading, BST, the fcuking FSA or any fans led review or wanker white paper and that was what this thread was about
Good night .............
TwelveAngryMen
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Night Phil
Tangerine Tractor
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I think you are perhaps over-egging my contributions and influence here.
Mark_GT
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I wonder if any club will ever have such a solid boycott to embarrass and pressure a bad owner. I genuinely think we were unique, and lots of people played a part. The idea of having a good old demo then going into a ground and filling a bad owner's pockets is ridiculous, but it still happens as a matter of course. If I was at the game tomorrow I'd probably clap a bit for Reading but let's be Frank, the best thing their fans can do is vote with their feet and not enter their ground.
Blackpool_Fan
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Feel for the reading fans.
Mexboroseasider
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Yeah I agree with all that.
To avoid confusion, I’m very much in favour of an independent regulator. I’m just saying that there will be occasions when the regulator may have to punish a club. And the fans won’t then be happy.
And (while it may change the way football money is shared between clubs) an independent regulator won’t be pumping money into a club to save it financially. And if a club does go under you just know some people will be saying “Hold on. I thought an independent regulator was supposed to stop this sort of thing”. And then start claiming the change was never needed and having a pop at people who argued for change (so BST etc in the case of BFC).
An independent regulator should be much, much better than the EFL and PL but it isn’t going to magically change football overnight.
CompleteControl
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Some other clubs fans do care about Reading.Port Vale fans have come out strongly in support. In return Reading fans raised over £10,000 for the for the proposed statue of P V legend John Rudge.
If other fans follow their example maybe the EFL would take notice.
If other fans follow their example maybe the EFL would take notice.
Torycorner
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That would be “awful” and would not be “out of sync” with some of the “awful” luck Blackpool have suffered over the years.
However…..I still get traumatised when I recall the desperate state OUR Club was in under Oyston control.
All I cared about then was the MASSIVE INJUSTICE served by the Oystons on to beloved OUR Community Asset.
I do think Readings circumstances are different but feel for the fans all the same & therefore have to praise any fans that fight the inept EFL and bad owners.
It’s the EFL that needs to get its house in order, they nearly killed OUR Club, we survived thankfully but Bury didn’t.
I support BST in their praise of Reading Fans actions :
“FOOTBALL WITHOUT FANS IS “NOTHING” AS ARE FANS WITHOUT A FOOTBALL CLUB”
#FuckTheEFL
basilexile
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Robbie,
It all seems very simple to me. The amount of due diligence carried out on company purchases can take months. Due to the perceived need from the EFL to get a buyer in quickly, they seem to waive new owners through without all the necessary checks and balances.
I sometimes wonder if the EFL actually employ anyone who knows what due diligence really means. Perhaps they rely too much on the Administrators, who just wish to earn their fee and get on to the next one.
If I was there today I would join in, but fear in the future we are in danger of spending quite a lot of time doing this thing.
I'm not against Reading fans taking direct action, I'm against them taking direct action that negatively impacts us.That would be “awful” and would not be “out of sync” with some of the “awful” luck Blackpool have suffered over the years.
However…..I still get traumatised when I recall the desperate state OUR Club was in under Oyston control.
All I cared about then was the MASSIVE INJUSTICE served by the Oystons on to beloved OUR Community Asset.
I do think Readings circumstances are different but feel for the fans all the same & therefore have to praise any fans that fight the inept EFL and bad owners.
It’s the EFL that needs to get its house in order, they nearly killed OUR Club, we survived thankfully but Bury didn’t.
I support BST in their praise of Reading Fans actions :
“FOOTBALL WITHOUT FANS IS “NOTHING” AS ARE FANS WITHOUT A FOOTBALL CLUB”
#FuckTheEFL
The best thing they can do is to boycott en masse and protest outside the ground as we did. That type of direct action would maintain the integrity of the competition whilst still making their point.
CompleteControl
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I am sure feelings will be particularly strong for Reading supporters at the last game of the season. I wonder who they are playing?
basilrobbie3
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To be fair to the EFL, they are much better at this sort of thing under Parry than they ever were under Harvey. In this case, they are constrained by their lack of powers to circumvent competition law. The only weapons they still have are pretty nuclear, unfortunately. I don't see administration being an immediate option, as it doesn't seem to benefit anyone but the owner.
All that said, Jongge was part of the consortium that the EPL declared unfit to run Hull, so although he had shedloads of cash some alarm bells should have rung. It's a mess.
Torycorner
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I get that and I agree I don’t want it impacting us either.
I was merely pointing how my mindset was to Hudds fans on Judgement Day One.
if I’m honest I was so focused on seeing the O’s go I didn’t have the “width of vision to even think about them” I was so focused on seeing the Oystons OUT.
In hindsight possibly a bit selfish but we were at WAR & OUR Club was in “intensive care”
I can understand if Reading fans feel the same as I did to their actions tight now, having been there !
I think one pitch invasion is enough and they have done that, if they have a big protest prior to the match like our JD3 I think it would have possibly even more impact especially with numbers like we had for out JD2 & JD3.
Also Pool fans could join/support them by protesting with them before the game.
Hertsseasider
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So, did anyone join in and clap ?