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WIZARD OF TANGERINE

WIZARD OF TANGERINE

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We were all disappointed by the Huddersfield game . A game we could have won and even expected to win . We saw the team sheet and some people were not happy with it because there were players names missing from the starting line up . Bowler ,Povada , Patino and Rogers . They had been replaced by names like Madine ,Trybull and CJ.

We all wanted a change infortune and we bring MM in to do a job for us . He won't know the players from Adam and will have to access each ones attitude , strengths and weaknesses . By doing that he has to pick a team from his experience and knowledge . Which is much greater than the coach potatoes and would be managers that write on this website. [myself included].Now I am sure he would have watched past games under the Appleton leadership and seen what each player is capable of.

Now I get to my point . For the last couple of months we have played the likes of Bowler ,Povada and Patino at the start of most of the games that Appleton could . Patino in nearly every game ,Bowler as soon as he arrived and Povada when he wasn't injured or had the right attitude. We haven't won any .

A new manager comes in and tries something different and the moaners with their followers are saying that he should not be our manager and we should be playing Bowler , Povada and Patino from the start . Well you moan as much as you want ,but MM is here till the end of the season and if he does save us from relegation I hope he remembers these people who gave him 1 home game before getting on his back and he gets another job at a bigger club.
 
No we're not managers but most on here have watched enough games of football & therefore have a decent appreciation of what sort of team selection might win us a football match. Appletons failing was our CM of Patino & Carey got brushed aside. MM did address that but the team he chose was horrible to watch & second best to a shit team until he was forced to change.
 
We went with four attack players in Carey,Madine,Yates & CJ absolute no different the way Critch did with his 4 and two holders in midfield which we've been crying out for.
You could have swapped any of the four in any perm you want Poveda for Carey, Bowler for Yates for Madine etc but no chance can Rogers do a 90 he was blowing out of his arse the other night and until full fit shouldn't start.

I had no problem with the formation Tues we just didn't exercise it very well first half.
 
Willie Mcgrotty said:
No we're not managers but most on here have watched enough games of football & therefore have a decent appreciation of what sort of team selection might win us a football match. Appletons failing was our CM of Patino & Carey got brushed aside. MM did address that but the team he chose was horrible to watch & second best to a shit team until he was forced to change.
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Willy, you are missing the o/p’s point completely
I wrote very similar on a post last night, yes, you are right when you say we have watched enough games and have a decent appreciation of what team selection might win us a football match BUT, I assume the majority of posters on here have followed the team for a considerable length of time which is why we know (or at least think we do) what our best line up is.
McCarthy has been here for 2 weeks so will still be identifying his ideal XI and probably so for the next few weeks

We also don’t take into account the opposition. What do you think they have a scouting system for and managers attending opposition matches to see the strengths and weaknesses of upcoming opposition?
Quite simply to identify a team that would be suitable for any particular occasion.
It is not just a case of picking your best XI players and putting them on the pitch; if that was so then (barring injuries) there would be no need for subs.
So that is countered by “what if a player isn’t performing well then?”
And this is where I rest my case.
CJ was one of the better players against boro and when he had a poor game on Tuesday there were cries of woe from some that he shouldn’t have started..
Poveda is hit and miss. Yes, a flair player but I have seen the other side of him where he couldn’t be bothered to chase back for a ball he has lost. Is that the sign of a good player? Not in my opinion.
Bowler came on and changed the game but, it was Huddersfield ffs, who are a very poor outfit.
Would he have had the same impact against Burnley for example. Probably not but these are all ifs and buts and when people come on here and post stuff like. “IF he had taken such and such off and replaced him with someone else then we would have won that game. What a load of nonsense.
When a sub comes on for the last 10 or 20 minutes then you would expect them to give everything but that doesn’t mean they would have been as impactive if they had started the game.
A good analogy would be, you start a new job and after 1 week your manager is disappointed in your performance because you haven’t got to grips with everything. No different than a football manager
I’m taking the dog out now, have a good day.
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Willy, you are missing the o/p’s point completely
I wrote very similar on a post last night, yes, you are right when you say we have watched enough games and have a decent appreciation of what team selection might win us a football match BUT, I assume the majority of posters on here have followed the team for a considerable length of time which is why we know (or at least think we do) what our best line up is.
McCarthy has been here for 2 weeks so will still be identifying his ideal XI and probably so for the next few weeks

We also don’t take into account the opposition. What do you think they have a scouting system for and managers attending opposition matches to see the strengths and weaknesses of upcoming opposition?
Quite simply to identify a team that would be suitable for any particular occasion.
It is not just a case of picking your best XI players and putting them on the pitch; if that was so then (barring injuries) there would be no need for subs.
So that is countered by “what if a player isn’t performing well then?”
And this is where I rest my case.
CJ was one of the better players against boro and when he had a poor game on Tuesday there were cries of woe from some that he shouldn’t have started..
Poveda is hit and miss. Yes, a flair player but I have seen the other side of him where he couldn’t be bothered to chase back for a ball he has lost. Is that the sign of a good player? Not in my opinion.
Bowler came on and changed the game but, it was Huddersfield ffs, who are a very poor outfit.
Would he have had the same impact against Burnley for example. Probably not but these are all ifs and buts and when people come on here and post stuff like. “IF he had taken such and such off and replaced him with someone else then we would have won that game. What a load of nonsense.
When a sub comes on for the last 10 or 20 minutes then you would expect them to give everything but that doesn’t mean they would have been as impactive if they had started the game.
A good analogy would be, you start a new job and after 1 week your manager is disappointed in your performance because you haven’t got to grips with everything. No different than a football manager
I’m taking the dog out now, have a good day.
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Other than the first 15/20 minutes we were totally second best to an awful Huddersfield side. Everything was hoof & up in the air. Even continued after Madine's stupidity. Surely down to setup & MM instructions. Or were we just outscouted by udders?
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
We were all disappointed by the Huddersfield game . A game we could have won and even expected to win . We saw the team sheet and some people were not happy with it because there were players names missing from the starting line up . Bowler ,Povada , Patino and Rogers . They had been replaced by names like Madine ,Trybull and CJ.

We all wanted a change infortune and we bring MM in to do a job for us . He won't know the players from Adam and will have to access each ones attitude , strengths and weaknesses . By doing that he has to pick a team from his experience and knowledge . Which is much greater than the coach potatoes and would be managers that write on this website. [myself included].Now I am sure he would have watched past games under the Appleton leadership and seen what each player is capable of.

Now I get to my point . For the last couple of months we have played the likes of Bowler ,Povada and Patino at the start of most of the games that Appleton could . Patino in nearly every game ,Bowler as soon as he arrived and Povada when he wasn't injured or had the right attitude. We haven't won any .

A new manager comes in and tries something different and the moaners with their followers are saying that he should not be our manager and we should be playing Bowler , Povada and Patino from the start . Well you moan as much as you want ,but MM is here till the end of the season and if he does save us from relegation I hope he remembers these people who gave him 1 home game before getting on his back and he gets another job at a bigger club.
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nope, sorry some of that's tosh again. At least try to be accurate with your criticisms.
Point one. Bowlers only been back a month.
Point two .. You massively contradict yourself. You say he won't know the players from Adam. Well he's not been out of management that long, he should still have a decent background into our players. After all , he's managed against us so he'd have done his checks then. But if you are right and he didn't know the players from Adam, then is it not perfectly reasonable to think that fans who've watched these players play for us maybe have a bit of an idea about them. Let's take Bowler for example, has any fan at any time whilst Bowler has been with us even now or last season, clamoured for him to play a central midfield role. Answer is a resounding NO. Like him or not, we all know Bowler is a winger who is good going forward but terrible tracking back. But what does McCarthy do and say? Play him a central midfield role and tell him he needs to do something he simply basically can't do! And in that vein, do you think when he took over, he didn't look at any videos of how we play? Of course he did, it's a mangers job to acquaint himself with players strengths and weaknesses. And what did he do? He threw Bowler to the wolves like you asking him to do something all fans know he's terrible at. That's rank bad management.

All that aside, I've no problem him being here but he needs to start getting results now. His experimenting has massively failed in three games so far irrespective of who the opposition were.

As for getting a job at a bigger club. Well consider this. He'd been out of work for 18 months for a reason. Not meaning to disrespect him but he is a football dinosaur with his methods of how he wants to play. There ain't a cat in hells chance any bigger club would want him on any long term basis. He's now only a short quick term fix manager which is what we needed. And even our board have recognised that!
 
Eternaloptimist said:
Willy, you are missing the o/p’s point completely
I wrote very similar on a post last night, yes, you are right when you say we have watched enough games and have a decent appreciation of what team selection might win us a football match BUT, I assume the majority of posters on here have followed the team for a considerable length of time which is why we know (or at least think we do) what our best line up is.
McCarthy has been here for 2 weeks so will still be identifying his ideal XI and probably so for the next few weeks

We also don’t take into account the opposition. What do you think they have a scouting system for and managers attending opposition matches to see the strengths and weaknesses of upcoming opposition?
Quite simply to identify a team that would be suitable for any particular occasion.
It is not just a case of picking your best XI players and putting them on the pitch; if that was so then (barring injuries) there would be no need for subs.
So that is countered by “what if a player isn’t performing well then?”
And this is where I rest my case.
CJ was one of the better players against boro and when he had a poor game on Tuesday there were cries of woe from some that he shouldn’t have started..
Poveda is hit and miss. Yes, a flair player but I have seen the other side of him where he couldn’t be bothered to chase back for a ball he has lost. Is that the sign of a good player? Not in my opinion.
Bowler came on and changed the game but, it was Huddersfield ffs, who are a very poor outfit.
Would he have had the same impact against Burnley for example. Probably not but these are all ifs and buts and when people come on here and post stuff like. “IF he had taken such and such off and replaced him with someone else then we would have won that game. What a load of nonsense.
When a sub comes on for the last 10 or 20 minutes then you would expect them to give everything but that doesn’t mean they would have been as impactive if they had started the game.
A good analogy would be, you start a new job and after 1 week your manager is disappointed in your performance because you haven’t got to grips with everything. No different than a football manager
I’m taking the dog out now, have
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sorry but your post is all about if's and buts which is what you are critical of other poster for being.
 
It's not all about team selections is it? It's also about work on the training ground, mental approach, tactics, organisation. The players were struggling on Tuesday night with the fact that Mick has told them to do things completely differently to the way the previous two managers had. Some players seemed to be looking for row Z and realising Bloomfield Road doesn't have a row Z so wtf am I supposed to do?! Dare I ask Mick at HT?!

We don't have time to completely change how we play. But that is what is happening before our eyes. MM does not have the training programmes of Critchley and Appleton inside his skull. So the players have to grapple with a very different way of doing things. In my opinion MM should lean on the players who know the Critch system and use his own motivational and man management skills to keep the players upbeat and determined. we have most of the Critch players and a few more to complement them where necessary. When we beat Reading 4-1 in February last year we started...

Grimshaw
Gabriel Ekpiteta Thorniley Husband
Bowler Dougall Stewart Hamilton
Yates Madine

All eleven are still at the club and not much has arrived since then that has budged these people. In the noughties we built a group of players through Grayson, Parkes and Holloway that stuck together and knew each other's games and they motivated each other. Critch built something similar. So use it, like Holloway did. We now have Lyons, Trybull, Poveda, Patino, Rogers, Nelson to complement/cover them.Trybull for Stewart, Lyons for Gabriel. Connolly for Marv. Madine isn't fit, so get Poveda or Patino in to sit behind Jerry.

I'm not saying this is the one and only answer, just that we have the individual parts, they know the 442 system that Critch coached them so thoroughly, and we don't have time to learn a new system. we don't need to, we have a system and the players all there ready. The players mainly need their confidence working on and to feel they know the system they are playing inside out.
 
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Flare players can sometimes be seen as luxury players which Mc Carthy alluded to when he mention that he wanted a shift from Bowler ie: tracking back. Of course some luxury can be carried to an extent depending on the team around them a classic example for those who remember was Suddick who had plenty of grafters around him to enable him to work his magic.
 
20togo said:
nope, sorry some of that's tosh again. At least try to be accurate with your criticisms.
Point one. Bowlers only been back a month.
Point two .. You massively contradict yourself. You say he won't know the players from Adam. Well he's not been out of management that long, he should still have a decent background into our players. After all , he's managed against us so he'd have done his checks then. But if you are right and he didn't know the players from Adam, then is it not perfectly reasonable to think that fans who've watched these players play for us maybe have a bit of an idea about them. Let's take Bowler for example, has any fan at any time whilst Bowler has been with us even now or last season, clamoured for him to play a central midfield role. Answer is a resounding NO. Like him or not, we all know Bowler is a winger who is good going forward but terrible tracking back. But what does McCarthy do and say? Play him a central midfield role and tell him he needs to do something he simply basically can't do! And in that vein, do you think when he took over, he didn't look at any videos of how we play? Of course he did, it's a mangers job to acquaint himself with players strengths and weaknesses. And what did he do? He threw Bowler to the wolves like you asking him to do something all fans know he's terrible at. That's rank bad management.

All that aside, I've no problem him being here but he needs to start getting results now. His experimenting has massively failed in three games so far irrespective of who the opposition were.

As for getting a job at a bigger club. Well consider this. He'd been out of work for 18 months for a reason. Not meaning to disrespect him but he is a football dinosaur with his methods of how he wants to play. There ain't a cat in hells chance any bigger club would want him on any long term basis. He's now only a short quick term fix manager which is what we needed. And even our board have recognised that!
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At least you have made the effort to put your point across even though it's rubbish . Firstly I believe I pointed out that Bowler had only been back for the 3 games . Secondly ,you don't think much of Bowler if you think he can't work that bit harder and get back and defend . Thirdly ,nobody knows how a player is going to perform in a new position until he has been tried out there . CJ did a good job in defending against Middlesborough . Also if Bowler is just a 1 trick pony ,teams will learn and put extra defenders on him as they have done in the past.
 
voyeur said:
It's not all about team selections is it? It's also about work on the training ground, mental approach, tactics, organisation. Fans think about which players are picked most of the time, like it's all down to that, and it's only one factor. The players were struggling on Tuesday night with the fact that Mick has told them to do things completely differently to the way the previous two managers had. Some players seemed to be looking for row Z and realising Bloomfield Road doesn't have a row so Z wtf am I supposed to do?! Dare I ask Mick at HT?!

This is the worrying thing and I agree with Phil to this extent. We don't have time to completely change how we play. But that is what is happening before our eyes. MM does not have the tactics and training programmes of Critchley and Appleton inside his skull. So the players have to grapple with a very different way of doing things. In my opinion MM should lean on the players who know the Critch system and use his own motivational and man management skills to keep the players upbeat and determined. The keepers, Connolly, Husband, Thorniley, Marv, Kenny, Yates, Gaz, Bowler, CJ, Carey, Gabriel and Lavery all worked with Critch over a couple of years and the system was a simple one, a 442, a system Mick knows well. Critch's squad still dominates the team. Add in Trybull for Wintle/Stewart, Poveda or Patino, and a bit of Rogers. When we beat Reading 4-1 in February last year we started...

Grimshaw
Gabriel Ekpiteta Thorniley Husband
Bowler Dougall Stewart Hamilton
Yates Madine

All eleven are still at the club and not much has arrived since that has budged these people. In the noughties we built a group of players through Grayson, Parkes and Holloway that stuck together and knew each other's games and they motivated each other. Critch built something similar. So use it, like Holloway did.

Gabriel and Marv aren't fit, so play Connolly or Nelson in place of Marv, and Lyons, who is better than Gabriel.

Stewart isn't fit so play Trybull. Madine isn't fit, so get Poveda or Patino in to sit behind Jerry.

I'm not saying this is the one and only answer, just that we have the individual parts, they know the 442 system that Critch coached them so thoroughly, and we don't have time to learn a new system. we don't need to, we have a system and the players all there ready. The players just need their confidence working on.
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There's a lot of truth in what Voy says here, now is not the time for juggling formations or trying to get players to do things outside of their skill set. We need them to do what they're good at and surely McCarthy with his experience should be able to see that, play to their strengths ffs and keep it simple.
4-4-2 suits this group of players, so for Christs sake, just play that way, there is room in that system for flare and stability and it gives the opposition something to think about, imagine having to face Bowler, Jerry, Poveda and Rogers! So, Mick pick the system they know, pick our forwards and wingers to play as such and let the defence and denfensive midfielders worry about defending.

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Lyons Nelson Thorniley Husband
Bowler Dougall Trybull Rogers/CJ?
Poveda Yates
 
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Willie Mcgrotty said:
Other than the first 15/20 minutes we were totally second best to an awful Huddersfield side. Everything was hoof & up in the air. Even continued after Madine's stupidity. Surely down to setup & MM instructions. Or were we just outscouted by udders?
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Sorry, we weren't second best. Talk me through all their chances that they were making.
 
12 Feb 2022 we lost 2-1 at home to Bournemouth who were flying, but remember how well we played and how cruel the ending was. Exactly a year ago. Team...

Grimshaw
Gabriel Ekpiteta Thorniley Sterling
Bowler Connolly Stewart Hamilton
Yates Madine

We have the things we need to stay up. The players and the system.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
At least you have made the effort to put your point across even though it's rubbish . Firstly I believe I pointed out that Bowler had only been back for the 3 games . Secondly ,you don't think much of Bowler if you think he can't work that bit harder and get back and defend . Thirdly ,nobody knows how a player is going to perform in a new position until he has been tried out there . CJ did a good job in defending against Middlesborough . Also if Bowler is just a 1 trick pony ,teams will learn and put extra defenders on him as they have done in the past.
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go on then, let me make the same point but using a different player. Jerry Yates! What's he at the club for? It's to score goals, that's his job and he's our best player for doing that. I'm sure you would agree on that. Now Jerry is at his best when he's getting in and around the penalty area and taking the chances that come his way. His purple patch earlier in the season happened because he wasn't given the task of having to constantly track back in order to help out the defence. Since Appleton gave him that role when we only had Ward to fill in at full bak he's been made to play that way every game and guess what, the goals have dried up. Why is that? It's because he can't be in two places at the same time. Now yep, Jerry is brilliant in the role and clearly much better than Bowler could be ever be but it's stating the obvious that it's to the detriment of what we want Jerry to do and why he was brought to the club. And that is to score goals.

So my point is that you have to play to players strengths. That's Jerrys and Bowlers.
 
20togo said:
go on then, let me make the same point but using a different player. Jerry Yates! What's he at the club for? It's to score goals, that's his job and he's our best player for doing that. I'm sure you would agree on that. Now Jerry is at his best when he's getting in and around the penalty area and taking the chances that come his way. His purple patch earlier in the season happened because he wasn't given the task of having to constantly track back in order to help out the defence. Since Appleton gave him that role when we only had Ward to fill in at full bak he's been made to play that way every game and guess what, the goals have dried up. Why is that? It's because he can't be in two places at the same time. Now yep, Jerry is brilliant in the role and clearly much better than Bowler could be ever be but it's stating the obvious that it's to the detriment of what we want Jerry to do and why he was brought to the club. And that is to score goals.

So my point is that you have to play to players strengths. That's Jerrys and Bowlers.
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Your right about Jerry Yates ,but he never came back very often because he was a striker . Madine is brought back because of his height and strength for set plays . So he has that extra string to his bow when he is not scoring. Bowler ,who is generally a winger is still a midfielder and if he doesn't come back and defend ,a pretty useless one.

Also I think you will find that when Yates scored in that patch of goals that he was actually playing as a winger and not as the centre forward.
 
Wizaard said:
Sorry, we weren't second best. Talk me through all their chances that they were making.
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There final ball was awful but for the final 20 minutes of the first half we were on the back foot & only one team looked like scoring & so it proved. No one had any composure & the dreaded hoof to Madine. Which actually continued once he'd gone off. Couldn't make my mind up if no one wanted it short from Maxwell or the instructions were go long towards the touchline hoping for a tangerine head. Awful football for the main. Only when Jerry eventually inspired a press did we finally show them up as the piss poor team they are.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Your right about Jerry Yates ,but he never came back very often because he was a striker . Madine is brought back because of his height and strength for set plays . So he has that extra string to his bow when he is not scoring. Bowler ,who is generally a winger is still a midfielder and if he doesn't come back and defend ,a pretty useless one.

Also I think you will find that when Yates scored in that patch of goals that he was actually playing as a winger and not as the centre forward.
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that's tosh. He wasn't playing as winger in the orthodox sense. He wasn't hogging the touchline in the way Bowler does. Go and look at the goals he scored. They weren't from him by being out on the wing they were scored by him getting into the penalty area. By his movement off Madine and getting closer to him.You are totally failing to understand. I'm not talking about set plays at all. Madine isn't relevant to the point. Jerry hasn't scored for a dozen games or so because his priority is now to defend! But I guess you're happy with that. You've got this obsession with formations that if we play a front three then the two players not in the middle where Madine is are classed as orthodox wingers. Now yep, CJ and Bowler are but Jerry most certainly isn't and he wasn't playing that way when he was scoring his goals.
 
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20togo said:
that's tosh. He wasn't playing as winger in the orthodox sense. He wasn't hogging the touchline in the way Bowler does. Go and look at the goals he scored. They weren't from him by being out on the wing they were scored by him getting into the penalty area. By his movement off Madine and getting closer to him.You are totally failing to understand. I'm not talking about set plays at all. Madine isn't relevant to the point. Jerry hasn't scored for a dozen games or so because his priority is now to defend! But I guess you're happy with that. You've got this obsession with formations that if we play a front three then the two players not in the middle where Madine is are classed as orthodox wingers. Now yep, CJ and Bowler are but Jerry most certainly isn't and he wasn't playing that way when he was scoring his goals.
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You must be retired and board to keep coming out with the rubbish you do. Yes .Yates comes into the box to score his goals ,but wingers do that. Thats how Bowler scores his goals , by coming down the wing then coming into the box to take his shot. Also you will find Lavery is not a winger as such ,but he played on the other wing with Madine in the middle.

Why do you think a number of posts were complaining that we had two centre forwards playing as wingers . Also if you watch any other team as well as Blackpool ,the wingers come back and help defend when not in possession .

Anyway I am tired of explaining my way of thinking to you as everything I write is either lies ,or tosh according to you. I will leave you with this thought . MM is here till the end of the season . You can write how shit he is and you know better as often as you want , but where it matters is the players have to listen to him and the players don't even know you exist . You can write something back if you want ,but I won't be reading it. I've had enough of reading rubbish today.
 
20togo said:
go on then, let me make the same point but using a different player. Jerry Yates! What's he at the club for? It's to score goals, that's his job and he's our best player for doing that. I'm sure you would agree on that. Now Jerry is at his best when he's getting in and around the penalty area and taking the chances that come his way. His purple patch earlier in the season happened because he wasn't given the task of having to constantly track back in order to help out the defence. Since Appleton gave him that role when we only had Ward to fill in at full bak he's been made to play that way every game and guess what, the goals have dried up. Why is that? It's because he can't be in two places at the same time. Now yep, Jerry is brilliant in the role and clearly much better than Bowler could be ever be but it's stating the obvious that it's to the detriment of what we want Jerry to do and why he was brought to the club. And that is to score goals.

So my point is that you have to play to players strengths. That's Jerrys and Bowlers.
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If Josh Bowler was coming anywhere close to the work-rate of Jerry Yates, he’d be a shoe in.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
If Josh Bowler was coming anywhere close to the work-rate of Jerry Yates, he’d be a shoe in.
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that's not in doubt is it! But you're not that stupid to think it's ever gonna be the case are you? Messis work rate is appalling yet he's always a shoe in isn't he? Principle is the same even if at a lower level. .
 
20togo said:
that's not in doubt is it! But you're not that stupid to think it's ever gonna be the case are you? Messis work rate is appalling yet he's always a shoe in isn't he? Principle is the same even if at a lower level. .
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Messi isn’t playing in a side that’s fighting for their lives in the Championship and he’s arguably the best player in the world.

Josh isn’t even our best player…. So he needs to start grafting like everyone else.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
You must be retired and board to keep coming out with the rubbish you do. Yes .Yates comes into the box to score his goals ,but wingers do that. Thats how Bowler scores his goals , by coming down the wing then coming into the box to take his shot. Also you will find Lavery is not a winger as such ,but he played on the other wing with Madine in the middle.

Why do you think a number of posts were complaining that we had two centre forwards playing as wingers . Also if you watch any other team as well as Blackpool ,the wingers come back and help defend when not in possession .

Anyway I am tired of explaining my way of thinking to you as everything I write is either lies ,or tosh according to you. I will leave you with this thought . MM is here till the end of the season . You can write how shit he is and you know better as often as you want , but where it matters is the players have to listen to him and the players don't even know you exist . You can write something back if you want ,but I won't be reading it. I've had enough of reading rubbish today.
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Jeez, you are hard work, Bowler as you say comes down the wing and cuts in and takes a shot. Jerrys goals were scored by him already being in the box and other players creating the chance for him. And yep, Lavery isn't a winger as you rightly say. He was played there because of his work ethic and that is to the detriment of him as a striker. Just like it is with Jerry. Like I said, go and have a look at Jerrys purple patch of goals. They weren't scored by him being out on the wing with the responsibility of tracking back. Burnley away was a tap in from being on the goal line. Sheff U away, he didn't dash in from the touch line to get his header in. He was already around the penalty spot waiting for the cross. You seem to struggle to grasp the concept of the difference between an orthodox winger like Bowler and CJ and a player like Jerry who was just the wider man in a front 3 alongside Madine. So that's why most of what you say is tosh. As for your lies you acknowledged that McCarthy "promised" Bowler no such thing as a starting place. You made it up.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Messi isn’t playing in a side that’s fighting for their lives in the Championship and he’s arguably the best player in the world.

Josh isn’t even our best player…. So he needs to start grafting like everyone else.
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Yep, another way of saying you wouldn't start him. No doubt, like WOT, you'd be happy with us playing a back ten then. You might even get the clean sheets you crave. I'll tell you what. I'll bet you there's more games this season where we concede a goal than games where we keep a clean sheet. £20 to each others chosen charity?
 
20togo said:
Yep, another way of saying you wouldn't start him. No doubt, like WOT, you'd be happy with us playing a back ten then. You might even get the clean sheets you crave. I'll tell you what. I'll bet you there's more games this season where we concede a goal than games where we keep a clean sheet. £20 to each others chosen charity?
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It’s another way of saying, he needs to work his arse off and justify a start.

I don’t bet
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s another way of saying, he needs to work his arse off and justify a start.

I don’t bet
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.Whatever, but you clearly don't think he is, so therefore he doesn't justify a start. All leads back to the same thing. You've just slagged him off[wrongly] on the other thread. You wouldn't start him and he's only allowed 20/30 minutes to turn a game round if we need to and if we're winning he won't get on. Re the bet, well as you can guess, I'll certainly keep an eye on it.
 
I think Josh needs to step it up …

Clearly so does Mick…

You seem to think we can carry players who want to do half a job.
 
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20togo said:
sorry but your post is all about if's and buts which is what you are critical of other poster for being.
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20’s, I am not criticising Willy but simply pointing out that he has missed the point of the o/p in as much as he makes reference (Willy that is), to how local fans know the ability of their own players.
That was just the first paragraph and the rest was just my opinion of what an incoming manager needs to learn about his inherited squad.
 
voyeur said:
It's not all about team selections is it? It's also about work on the training ground, mental approach, tactics, organisation. The players were struggling on Tuesday night with the fact that Mick has told them to do things completely differently to the way the previous two managers had. Some players seemed to be looking for row Z and realising Bloomfield Road doesn't have a row Z so wtf am I supposed to do?! Dare I ask Mick at HT?!

We don't have time to completely change how we play. But that is what is happening before our eyes. MM does not have the training programmes of Critchley and Appleton inside his skull. So the players have to grapple with a very different way of doing things. In my opinion MM should lean on the players who know the Critch system and use his own motivational and man management skills to keep the players upbeat and determined. we have most of the Critch players and a few more to complement them where necessary. When we beat Reading 4-1 in February last year we started...

Grimshaw
Gabriel Ekpiteta Thorniley Husband
Bowler Dougall Stewart Hamilton
Yates Madine

All eleven are still at the club and not much has arrived since then that has budged these people. In the noughties we built a group of players through Grayson, Parkes and Holloway that stuck together and knew each other's games and they motivated each other. Critch built something similar. So use it, like Holloway did. We now have Lyons, Trybull, Poveda, Patino, Rogers, Nelson to complement/cover them.Trybull for Stewart, Lyons for Gabriel. Connolly for Marv. Madine isn't fit, so get Poveda or Patino in to sit behind Jerry.

I'm not saying this is the one and only answer, just that we have the individual parts, they know the 442 system that Critch coached them so thoroughly, and we don't have time to learn a new system. we don't need to, we have a system and the players all there ready. The players mainly need their confidence working on and to feel they know the system they are playing inside out.
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You're right, Madine's not fit. Not fit to represent this club. He's actually suspended for violent conduct. AGAIN !!!!!!!
 
In answer to the o/p - we'll never know what Mick was striving to achieve, what his scouting reports said what his tactics were (without being down to 10 men), how Huddersfield changed when they saw our team sheet etc - football isn't an individual science
 
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