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Middxile

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Blackpool are a not very good mid table Division 3 side. The PL is long gone, and the Championship is way out of reach at this time. Pool have quite a lot of ordinary players, which will get you to, and keep you, in mid table. There is no way in the world that this squad can get anywhere near the top six, this season, or next. Quite a few are out of contract, which may be no bad thing. Our leading goal scorer, and easiest on the eye midfielder are both loanees. When they leave, we lose goals and creativity. We are left with…..ordinary ( and lots of it). I think that next season should start now, finding out if Academy players can cut it. There is nothing to be lost by checking out every Youth player. Matt Busby said “ If you don’t put them in, you never know”, and he knew a thing or two.
 
Middxile said:
Blackpool are a not very good mid table Division 3 side. The PL is long gone, and the Championship is way out of reach at this time. Pool have quite a lot of ordinary players, which will get you to, and keep you, in mid table. There is no way in the world that this squad can get anywhere near the top six, this season, or next. Quite a few are out of contract, which may be no bad thing. Our leading goal scorer, and easiest on the eye midfielder are both loanees. When they leave, we lose goals and creativity. We are left with…..ordinary ( and lots of it). I think that next season should start now, finding out if Academy players can cut it. There is nothing to be lost by checking out every Youth player. Matt Busby said “ If you don’t put them in, you never know”, and he knew a thing or two.
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A decent manager would help though.
 
20togo said:
it's naivety in the extreme to think putting so many youth/academy players into the team at the same time will benefit either them or the club.
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He did not say play them all at once and I would image that there would only be 2or 3 that are anything like good enough. Now is the time to give them run outs because we are not winning games with all our first team choices.
 
I think any of the Youth players who have already or who are about to be offered pro-contracts should be blooded now. We are not going to make six, and we can’t go down.
 
20togo said:
Ah right, so play one one week, then drop him. Play another one the next week then drop him and then etc. Yep, great idea!
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All at once does not mean 1 at a time . We have 6 games left I think ,so play 1 ,put another on the bench . If we are a couple of goals up play 2 or even all three . Do you not realise in football substitutions can be made . Maybe you should watch football more and see how other managers bring in young talent ,because this is exactly what they do.
 
I don't think you find out much in end of season games with the pressure off . That's why I never jumped on the Dobbie bandwagon. The time to bring a young player in is when the teams doing well and very gradually with sub appearances. It doesn't sound like there's a lot there anyway at the moment. Hopefully we will reap the rewards for Apter at Tranmere this season... next season , so I don't think that was a mistake.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
All at once does not mean 1 at a time . We have 6 games left I think ,so play 1 ,put another on the bench . If we are a couple of goals up play 2 or even all three . Do you not realise in football substitutions can be made . Maybe you should watch football more and see how other managers bring in young talent ,because this is exactly what they do.
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ah, so it's a 47 game season then. I'd hazard a guess that it's a certainty that i watch more football than you. Like i said before in 20 years of posting on here I can say you're the thickest poster i've ever come across. And you want to start the youngsters and then say "if we are a couple of goals up". When were we last a couple of goals up? Maybe an alternative in your idiotic view is bring them on when we are a couple of goals down, when the team is struggling and their youthfulnss ill help turn things around? Did you go away to Peterboro last game of the season three seasons back where he tried it? And we got hammered 5-0 to a relegated team. I went and witnessed the consequences. You really haven't a clue.
 
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The best way to see if your younger players are any good is loan them out to lower down the pyramid, we've had plenty come to us over the years this way and arguably our best two this season are loanees.

A few of them got game time in BSM cup games and no one impressed.

Apter apart anyone else ripping it up?
Nope because there certainly not good enough to play in the division(yet) so this giving them a chance whilst their doing nothing elsewhere is utter Rollocks.
 
20togo said:
ah, so it's a 47 game season then. I'd hazard a guess that it's a certainty that i watch more football than you. Like i said before in 20 years of posting on here I can say you're the thickest poster i've ever come across. And you want to start the youngsters and then say "if we are a couple of goals up". When were we last a couple of goals up? Maybe an alternative in your idiotic view is bring them on when we are a couple of goals down, when the team is struggling and their youthfulnss ill help turn things around? Did you go away to Peterboro last game of the season three seasons back where he tried it? And we got hammered 5-0 to a relegated team. I went and witnessed the consequences. You really haven't a clue.
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You need to read what I wrote again and then apologise for your reply . How can I argue with someone who can't read.
 
TimperleyTangerine said:
Well NC was happy to leave Apter at Tranmere when he would have been an asset in the match day squad since Xmas.
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He also would be on the receiving end of absolute dogs abuse from our fans when he has a couple of bad games - we’re not the most patient fanbase going at this moment. I’ll happily hold Critchley/Sadler to account on various things, but letting him continue to learn his trade under a manager like Nigel Adkins at Tranmere was the absolute best decision for everyone. Playing football consistently week in, week out against burly league two defenders, and absolute excelling at the same time, - he’ll be a more well-rounded player when we get him back. Perfect for everyone.

Critchley/Sadler were bang on to send him back for the rest of the season.
 
Middxile said:
Blackpool are a not very good mid table Division 3 side. The PL is long gone, and the Championship is way out of reach at this time. Pool have quite a lot of ordinary players, which will get you to, and keep you, in mid table. There is no way in the world that this squad can get anywhere near the top six, this season, or next. Quite a few are out of contract, which may be no bad thing. Our leading goal scorer, and easiest on the eye midfielder are both loanees. When they leave, we lose goals and creativity. We are left with…..ordinary ( and lots of it). I think that next season should start now, finding out if Academy players can cut it. There is nothing to be lost by checking out every Youth player. Matt Busby said “ If you don’t put them in, you never know”, and he knew a thing or two.
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respectfully disagree.

How can we say the Championship is way out of reach when we were just there last season and only 3 years ago ran through this division with ease?

Fans boycotted and many risked never seeing their team play again because the believed in the greater cause of ridding the club of the O's, the entirety of this club's existence is built upon not accepting things for how they are.

We can and should be doing much much better.

With that said it's important not to be a reactionary, because not everything will come immediately, however, you make a great point regarding the performance level of this years squad, without Rhodes and Kaddy where would we be? Probably 10-15 points worse off... take them away along with some of the out of contract players and we're even worse off.

Now these players ARE replaceable, but my issue is that what has Critchley done this season to suggest that he will be able to adequately use the replacements next season to go beyond where we are now?

Also don't think we are really in a position to play some of our youth players quite yet... Apter up first...
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
He did not say play them all at once and I would image that there would only be 2or 3 that are anything like good enough. Now is the time to give them run outs because we are not winning games with all our first team choices.
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We did that at Peterborough a couple of years back and got caned.

You may not have noticed but Jack Moore was on the bench.
 
poolseasider said:
The best way to see if your younger players are any good is loan them out to lower down the pyramid, we've had plenty come to us over the years this way and arguably our best two this season are loanees.

A few of them got game time in BSM cup games and no one impressed.

Apter apart anyone else ripping it up?
Nope because there certainly not good enough to play in the division(yet) so this giving them a chance whilst their doing nothing elsewhere is utter Rollocks.
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I think you are doing our youth a disservice. Possibly the only positive in our failed season is the leap from youth to L1 is not too great compared to youth to Championship.
Think every time I have seen our youth against teams that should on paper be better, we have at least matched them.
Only a fool or Critchley would throw 3 youth players, into the mix at one time, but I am happy for them to be squad fillers and used sparingly off the bench.
Simon Sadler also obviously believes that having a good youth set up is key to our long term progress and I applaud him for that.
The other upside is promoting from.our youth should allow us the flexibility to splash the cash on the team positions we are weak in.
Paul Stewart was not very good when he first played for the first team, second season he was magnificent.
 
Wizaard said:
We did that at Peterborough a couple of years back and got caned.

You may not have noticed but Jack Moore was on the bench.
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We got caned in a match that meant nothing . The youngsters got a run out and the coach probably learned something about them . Most coaches bring in youngsters for games like that . Also being on the bench is not the same as getting minutes under your belt.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
We got caned in a match that meant nothing . The youngsters got a run out and the coach probably learned something about them . Most coaches bring in youngsters for games like that . Also being on the bench is not the same as getting minutes under your belt.
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do you ever think things through before you type? Clearly not! So the Peterboro match meant nothing? So what was the point in all those fans going if it meant nothing? And do you not recall the furore at the time about his team selection. We went to Peterboro for a match against a relegated team knowing that a win could mean we finished above Preston. But hey that means nothing to you and yet you say you are a Blackpool fan.

So with FIVE games left are you saying these games mean something or not? You can@t have it both ways! If you want to say they mean something IE a chance of getting in the play offs, then you are simply putting added pressure on youngsters to come into the team an perform knowing that they will come in for criticism should it not work out.
 
tangysider said:
I think you are doing our youth a disservice. Possibly the only positive in our failed season is the leap from youth to L1 is not too great compared to youth to Championship.
Think every time I have seen our youth against teams that should on paper be better, we have at least matched them.
Only a fool or Critchley would throw 3 youth players, into the mix at one time, but I am happy for them to be squad fillers and used sparingly off the bench.
Simon Sadler also obviously believes that having a good youth set up is key to our long term progress and I applaud him for that.
The other upside is promoting from.our youth should allow us the flexibility to splash the cash on the team positions we are weak in.
Paul Stewart was not very good when he first played for the first team, second season he was magnificent.
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This is where we'll agree to disagree.
I want our youth playing regularly not bit parts here and there,sat on a subs bench or playing basically friendlies against same ages.

Coleman,Shelvey,Ballard,Simms, Rodgers etc all dropped down to us and improved same could happen to our youngsters on loan.

Apter is a case in point gone out on loan done really well rewarded with a new contract and will come back a massively better player for doing a season in Lge 2.
 
poolseasider said:
This is where we'll agree to disagree.
I want our youth playing regularly not bit parts here and there,sat on a subs bench or playing basically friendlies against same ages.

Coleman,Shelvey,Ballard,Simms, Rodgers etc all dropped down to us and improved same could happen to our youngsters on loan.

Apter is a case in point gone out on loan done really well rewarded with a new contract and will come back a massively better player for doing a season in Lge 2.
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I know where you are coming from, but we currently have Connolly on over 6kgbp on the bench.
A youth player would be a fraction of that and allow us to pay good wages to a first teamer, and we do need a few very good L1 or better players first team ready bringing in in the summer.
If the youth player proves himself he will get more game time, for every Apter there are several Moffatts to name but 1 who I am happy is on loan elsewhere.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
All at once does not mean 1 at a time . We have 6 games left I think ,so play 1 ,put another on the bench . If we are a couple of goals up play 2 or even all three . Do you not realise in football substitutions can be made . Maybe you should watch football more and see how other managers bring in young talent ,because this is exactly what they do.
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As long as substitutes aren't used until the 70th minute I suppose they're acceptable.
 
20togo said:
do you ever think things through before you type? Clearly not! So the Peterboro match meant nothing? So what was the point in all those fans going if it meant nothing? And do you not recall the furore at the time about his team selection. We went to Peterboro for a match against a relegated team knowing that a win could mean we finished above Preston. But hey that means nothing to you and yet you say you are a Blackpool fan.

So with FIVE games left are you saying these games mean something or not? You can@t have it both ways! If you want to say they mean something IE a chance of getting in the play offs, then you are simply putting added pressure on youngsters to come into the team an perform knowing that they will come in for criticism should it not work out.
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We have just played 5 games with 1 goal and you say don't bring in someone different . When do these lads get their chances . According to you ,they don't .
 
Middxile said:
There is no way in the world that this squad can get anywhere near the top six, this season, or next. Quite a few are out of contract, which may be no bad thing.
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First I'd disagree we are a mid-table League One side - I would say lower Championship.
A squad where the average wage is £6k a week should be having more success than we are and that comes down to Sadler and his cohorts.
It's not working. Change it now because if it goes pear shaped next season we won't have anywhere near the budget for a Top 6 finish!
 
Many of the younger academy players get to train with the full squad and also play against them in bounce games.

I’m sure it’s clear to Dobbie, Donnelly and to Critchley which ones are anywhere close to being first team players / loan players in Div 2 or Conference.

So realistically it’s currently only Apter and perhaps Moore who are close enough to being full squad players. Apter they had to be sure of by giving him a loan season in Div 2 as he hadn’t had a lot of experience.

This is no different to Simms, Ballard, Dewsbury Hall and John Jules. Loan them to one or two divisions below. See if they can physically cope with the demands of a long season and then decide if to sell or put in the squad. Most of the ‘kids’ we’ve loaned in the past 4 years have gone on to be first team players at a higher level than us. They needed that experience. Our academy is not there yet. It’s why most end up in 3,4 or 5 divisions below.
 
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Chunkylad said:
Many of the younger academy players get to train with the full squad and also play against them in bounce games.

I’m sure it’s clear to Dobbie, Donnelly and to Critchley which ones are anywhere close to being first team players / loan players in Div 2 or Conference.

So realistically it’s currently only Apter and perhaps Moore who are close enough to being full squad players. Apter they had to be sure of by giving him a loan season in Div 2 as he hadn’t had a lot of experience.

This is no different to Simms, Ballard, Dewsbury Hall and John Jules. Loan them to one or two divisions below. See if they can physically cope with the demands of a long season and then decide if to sell or put in the squad. Most of the ‘kids’ we’ve loaned in the past 4 years have gone on to be first team players at a higher level than us. They needed that experience. Our academy is not there yet. It’s why most end up in 3,4 or 5 divisions below.
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spot on. Perhaps WOT should take note.
 
tangysider said:
I think you are doing our youth a disservice. Possibly the only positive in our failed season is the leap from youth to L1 is not too great compared to youth to Championship.
Think every time I have seen our youth against teams that should on paper be better, we have at least matched them.
Only a fool or Critchley would throw 3 youth players, into the mix at one time, but I am happy for them to be squad fillers and used sparingly off the bench.
Simon Sadler also obviously believes that having a good youth set up is key to our long term progress and I applaud him for that.
The other upside is promoting from.our youth should allow us the flexibility to splash the cash on the team positions we are weak in.
Paul Stewart was not very good when he first played for the first team, second season he was magnificent.
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You're spot on about Paul Stewart but even at 18yrs old he had the physique, running power and temperament that meant he could go one on one with seasoned Div3/4 defenders. I seem to remember he alternated between wide midfield and striker when he first broke into the first team and then Sam Ellis played him up front and he began to score goals on a regular basis.

Kouassi is probably the closest to Stewart in physique and power and hopefully he will continue to improve next season.
 
Critchley is categorically (without a senior No2), the worst Blackpool Manager I have seen for decades, the last one being Hendry.

Notice I didn't include Appleton who didn't inspire much, but I preferred to Quitchley
 
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