The missing Titanic sub

JJpool said:
The Titanic is just under 2.5 miles down so the line would have had to have been longer, it'd be a hell of a line and a strong one too.
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They have umbilical cords on submersibles that have been down to the Mariana trench which is 39,000ft (11,000m) deep admittedly they are remote control subs so depth shouldn’t be an issue I suppose the only reason it didn’t have one was the possibility of tangling up in the actual Titanic wreckage as it moved around.
 
BWseasider said:
They deliberately didn’t get it certified by the maritime regulator, which they said was because the regulator wouldn’t understand the innovation, in reality the regulator wouldn’t have deemed it safe.
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The more I read about the craft, the more I think it will have likely imploded into a million tiny pieces. Reports of structural fatigue, a report saying it could only go down 3000 metres - 800m short of the Titanic, and a court case between a former pilot and the company who sacked him after he pointed out 3 years ago that the material the craft was made from had never been properly tested at those depths... it all sounds like it was an accident waiting to happen.
 
The US coastguard have said they've re-searched the area with negative results 🤷🏻‍♂️

I've not got a clue about this sort of thing but even if they find it I can't imagine bringing it back upto the surface will be easy, especially with very limited time to do it. It seems to be a difficult task just getting down to those depths, never mind find a needle in a haystack. So to then secure the vessel and somehow drag it back up 13,000ft sounds equally as challenging as locating it.

Ironic that possibly the last people to see the Titanic aren't going to live to tell the tale, I'd be surprised if anyone is allowed to do this again.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
They have umbilical cords on submersibles that have been down to the Mariana trench which is 39,000ft (11,000m) deep admittedly they are remote control subs so depth shouldn’t be an issue I suppose the only reason it didn’t have one was the possibility of tangling up in the actual Titanic wreckage as it moved around.
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Exactly.

As I said above it could have been tethered but it would have restricted movements and therefore lessened the thrill. You pay your money, you take your choice......
 
Matesrates said:
Sonar has picked up banging noises, maybe they might just get lucky.
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Alas, I think that pinning any hopes on sounds that may or may not have come from the sub is pointless.
If it had been a military boat that had sunk, then it might be easier to isolate the banging using passive Sonar.
You just wouldn't believe some of the sounds that eminate from subsurface, it really is mind blowing....!

Much that I would like to attribute 'knocking' to the stricken craft, and therein believe that the passengers are still alive, unfortunately I can't see it.
If a military boat is reported as 'subsunk', then there would be a distress beacon released (assuming there hadn't been a catastrophic event rendering that impossible).
At least, SAR units would have a good indication of where the boat was.
For some reason, the operators of the submersible don't appear to have any sort of distress beacon available, but that's for any subsequent inquiry to establish.

At the depth that the submersible is reported at being, then sounds can come from anywhere (literally), because sound transmits well through water. Unfortunately things like salinity, water temperature, thermal layering, sea state, and such can bend, and distort the noise, so locating where it originated becomes incredibly difficult, even with the most sensitive of hydrophones.
 
HighfieldSeasider said:
The US coastguard have said they've re-searched the area with negative results 🤷🏻‍♂️

I've not got a clue about this sort of thing but even if they find it I can't imagine bringing it back upto the surface will be easy, especially with very limited time to do it. It seems to be a difficult task just getting down to those depths, never mind find a needle in a haystack. So to then secure the vessel and somehow drag it back up 13,000ft sounds equally as challenging as locating it.

Ironic that possibly the last people to see the Titanic aren't going to live to tell the tale, I'd be surprised if anyone is allowed to do this again.
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Who would want to NOBODY IN THEIR RIGHT MIND .
 
It seems obvious in hindsight that some form of backup and/or escape method should have been in place. Send two at the same time, both with docking ports like the space station, so if one is in trouble, the other can lock on and get it to safety.
 
Matesrates said:
It seems obvious in hindsight that some form of backup and/or escape method should have been in place. Send two at the same time, both with docking ports like the space station, so if one is in trouble, the other can lock on and get it to safety.
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I don't think that's possible at the depth and pressure they're under, that's why people get bolted in.
 
Matesrates said:
It seems obvious in hindsight that some form of backup and/or escape method should have been in place. Send two at the same time, both with docking ports like the space station, so if one is in trouble, the other can lock on and get it to safety.
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Cost too much. Money money money not safety.conyroling that sub with a playstation remote control is laughable .
 
An expert who has been recovering artifacts from the Titanic wreckage for 25 years has said expeditions take 12-18 months to plan and execute, "You can't throw a rescue mission together in 48 hours".

"You have to mobilise equipment, you have to get equipment out there, and I'm not sure there's anything close enough that can actually get down to Titanic's depth to do any good - if that is actually where this submersible is."

He didn't sound too optimistic of a happy ending unfortunately.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
They have umbilical cords on submersibles that have been down to the Mariana trench which is 39,000ft (11,000m) deep admittedly they are remote control subs so depth shouldn’t be an issue I suppose the only reason it didn’t have one was the possibility of tangling up in the actual Titanic wreckage as it moved around.
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I thought you meant for the purpose of pulling it up should there be an issue. This weight 10 tonnes.
 
I’m guessing the paying passengers would have been aware of the massive risk they were taking…it’s always easy in hindsight to critique ….you wouldn’t get me down there if you paid me…fingers crossed for positive outcome…
 
Realistically they are as good as dead, it's harder to get down there than an outer space recovery. Horrible ending.
 
Wizaard said:
Saw an interview with an expert today who said a PS3 handset made sense as it was simple to use, not complicated.
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Apparantly it had a lot of ‘off the shelf’ parts. Realistically I think specifically designed parts were probably a safer more desirable option.
 
Chishandfips said:
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This is complete sensationalist bollocks. The appropriate emergency services were at the scene of the tragic events in Greece. Survivors were picked up and I'm damned sure a massive effort has been made to retrieve the victims. The two events are completely separate and the idiotic comparison is made for stupid people by stupid people. Probably the same people that absolutely HATE refugees too.
 

I though this video was interesting and had some quite worrying info that made someone pull out previously.
 
Macseasider said:
This is complete sensationalist bollocks. The appropriate emergency services were at the scene of the tragic events in Greece. Survivors were picked up and I'm damned sure a massive effort has been made to retrieve the victims. The two events are completely separate and the idiotic comparison is made for stupid people by stupid people. Probably the same people that absolutely HATE refugees too.
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I like this sensationalist shit. Takes my mind off thinking about the 10,000 kids who starve to death each day.
 
Shandypants said:
Realistically they are as good as dead, it's harder to get down there than an outer space recovery. Horrible ending.
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There have been some amazing rescues tbf... like a similar one of 2 British men in 1973 that was on the BBC Website the other day - with 12 minutes of oxygen left and a day after they "should" have died according to the stats at the time. so, fingers crossed 🤞
 
Who doesn’t love a good old fashioned rescue story? It’s like the books from when I was a kid. Journey to the centre of the Earth, etc.

Think the countdown clock is around now.
I doubt that US plane will get that equipment there in time. Hard to believe world leading team is from Jersey and they are borrowing a rope from Scotland. Customs could have been more obliging as well. 😶
 
They should have sent the ‘expert’ that searched the River Wyre. He’d have found them in 24 hours guaranteed.
This is an horrendous story. It’s incredibly unlikely they’ll be rescued.
The story shouldn’t be used as an opportunity by those divisive twisted people who love to wage class wars.
All human life is precious and in circumstances like these we need to show our own humanity and not callously try and make ridiculous political points.
My heart goes out to all involved and I can only hope for a miracle.
 
Malced said:
They should have sent the ‘expert’ that searched the River Wyre. He’d have found them in 24 hours guaranteed.
This is an horrendous story. It’s incredibly unlikely they’ll be rescued.
The story shouldn’t be used as an opportunity by those divisive twisted people who love to wage class wars.
All human life is precious and in circumstances like these we need to show our own humanity and not callously try and make ridiculous political points.
My heart goes out to all involved and I can only hope for a miracle.
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well said malced. Some on here with massive chips on their shoulders. It's as if they are only just discovering that life isn't fair!
 
Malced said:
They should have sent the ‘expert’ that searched the River Wyre. He’d have found them in 24 hours guaranteed.
This is an horrendous story. It’s incredibly unlikely they’ll be rescued.
The story shouldn’t be used as an opportunity by those divisive twisted people who love to wage class wars.
All human life is precious and in circumstances like these we need to show our own humanity and not callously try and make ridiculous political points.
My heart goes out to all involved and I can only hope for a miracle.
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Ye, echo that Malced
 
It’s a terrible way to die and I cannot begin to understand what it must be like for those onboard. Horrible circumstances and unlikely to have a good ending.

I suppose the only footnote is the amount of press coverage for these five souls seems somewhat disproportionate to the coverage given to those losing their lives tragically crossing the channel. Just saying.
 
What surprises me is the fact that the submersible wasn't registered to carry passengers and yet was allowed to continue. On whose authority I don't know. The fact that it had been pulled on two recent occasions should have rung warning bells surely. I'm also surprised that people who are obviously either very good at their work or have been lucky in accumulating their wealth would even consider using this service without a full and complete check on its back up, of its safety precautions and of its history and registration.

Like all cowboy suppliers, someone always gets hurt, or in this case most likely killed.

I feel extremely sorry for the people on board and their families.
 
Game over unfortunately. The odds of being rescued were billions to one and the knocking noise that was "heard" was a bizarre one. Tapping on the side of a hull designed to withstand water pressure 2.5 miles deep, yeh of course!
 
US Coast Guard: Debris field discovered within search by an ROV
The US Coast Guard says a debris field was discovered within the search area by an remotely operated vehicle (ROV) near the Titanic wreck.

It said experts within the unified command are evaluating the information.

Earlier, the coast guard said the search and rescue operation was still "active".

It confirmed the French deep-sea robot Victor 6000 has been deployed, meanwhile the Canadian vessel Horizon Arctic has also deployed its own ROV that is on the sea floor.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
It’s a terrible way to die and I cannot begin to understand what it must be like for those onboard. Horrible circumstances and unlikely to have a good ending.

I suppose the only footnote is the amount of press coverage for these five souls seems somewhat disproportionate to the coverage given to those losing their lives tragically crossing the channel. Just saying.
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Really? The channel crossings must easily be within the top 3 stories on the news over the last few months. The danger is always highlighted as has been the loss of life. The crossings have been covered increasingly on the news for the last few years and have been subject to parliamentary debates, meetings with macron , subject to new legislation, etc etc.
They’re a daily occurance and deaths are common place albeit very tragic.

Making a read across between the two as if it’s some sort of competition is ridiculous. Why compare to migrant crossings? Why not the number of deaths from the climate or smoking or car accidents or train crashes or famine in Africa or surely there’s more killed in stabbings in London, or from Mayo overdose, so why is the press not reporting that 24/7?

Answer is that they’re all stores in their own right. This disaster is a different story, quite unique, and it’s new, hence it’s news. It’s about people who were missing when there was a hope of rescue. There was the pressure (excuse the pun) of time, and so this necessitated regular updates. They couldn’t come back in a week and say ‘oh yeah by the way, you know that sub that went missing? Well - they all died’.

Why did the press focus on Nicola who went missing when there was migrants risking their lives on illegal boat crossings?


Why did the press report so heavily on the boy’s football team trapped underground when there were migrants drowning periodically?

So no. It’s not a competition nor is it a race to the bottom (excuse the pun again) to find the worst story and report that exclusively.

I’ll stand by my comments that making such comparisons is nonsense, divisive and ill-judged.
 
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HighfieldSeasider said:
US Coast Guard: Debris field discovered within search by an ROV
The US Coast Guard says a debris field was discovered within the search area by an remotely operated vehicle (ROV) near the Titanic wreck.

It said experts within the unified command are evaluating the information.

Earlier, the coast guard said the search and rescue operation was still "active".

It confirmed the French deep-sea robot Victor 6000 has been deployed, meanwhile the Canadian vessel Horizon Arctic has also deployed its own ROV that is on the sea floor.
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Even if they deploy Victor 6000 this second, the sub needs bringing back to the surface then opening up. Even if it set off now its an 8 hour round trip journey, they aren't surviving, even a blind optimistic can see that.
 
Shandypants said:
Even if they deploy Victor 6000 this second, the sub needs bringing back to the surface then opening up. Even if it set off now its an 8 hour round trip journey, they aren't surviving, even a blind optimistic can see that.
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I think they probably died pretty early on with the hull giving way. This is the opinion of one ‘expert’ due to the total lack of communication, and apparently the sub was designed to resurface if certain things went wrong.
I think this is also perhaps a better outcome than the slower alternative and the realisation they may then have had that they were possibly going to die.
 
I’m sad for the families, but not for the people onboard. The British guy is described as an explorer; the titanic has already been discovered, so he wasn’t exploring, it’s been visited before, and there’s been numerous documentaries showing the wreck. He and the others did this because they are extremely wealthy and want to be able to say, we saw the Titanic up close.

They knew the risks and didn’t care about the consequences, or indeed their families, if they had done, they would never have signed the contract that in the first page told them there were three ways they could die. But they still signed it and got into a 22 foot tin can, bolted from the outside, with no way out and no rescue plan in the event of emergencies.

Now there’s this huge rescue mission costing someone millions in what most people think is an impossible task. People are dying and suffering all over the world and not because of the decisions they’ve made, but due to circumstances beyond their control.

Theres a lot wrong with this world.
 
Agree Lala. When this theory was first mentioned, I hoped if it was going to be a tragic outcome then death would be instant and not the slow, agonising end both mentally and physically of the realisation of running out of oxygen with little chance of being rescued. I cannot imagine anything worse than being trapped in a "tin can" of a vessel so deep down in the ocean. The 19 year old lad, I've just got no words.
 
Picking the name Titan{ic) wasn't really a good idea, Not a lucky name to begin with. There does need to be some sort of health and safety body to pass these mini subs before they can venture again to the bottom of the Atlantic.
 
Malced said:
Really? The channel crossings must easily be within the top 3 stories on the news over the last few months. The danger is always highlighted as has been the loss of life. The crossings have been covered increasingly on the news for the last few years and have been subject to parliamentary debates, meetings with macron , subject to new legislation, etc etc.
They’re a daily occurance and deaths are common place albeit very tragic.

Making a read across between the two as if it’s some sort of competition is ridiculous. Why compare to migrant crossings? Why not the number of deaths from the climate or smoking or car accidents or train crashes or famine in Africa or surely there’s more killed in stabbings in London, or from Mayo overdose, so why is the press not reporting that 24/7?

Answer is that they’re all stores in their own right. This disaster is a different story, quite unique, and it’s new, hence it’s news. It’s about people who were missing when there was a hope of rescue. There was the pressure (excuse the pun) of time, and so this necessitated regular updates. They couldn’t come back in a week and say ‘oh yeah by the way, you know that sub that went missing? Well - they all died’.

Why did the press focus on Nicola who went missing when there was migrants risking their lives on illegal boat crossings?


Why did the press report so heavily on the boy’s football team trapped underground when there were migrants drowning periodically?

So no. It’s not a competition nor is it a race to the bottom (excuse the pun again) to find the worst story and report that exclusively.

I’ll stand by my comments that making such comparisons is nonsense, divisive and ill-judged.
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Fair enough
 
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