The penny has finally dropped

Don't think it''ll catch on -this collaborative joint effort to better one another's prospects. Brexit means full spinal column severance from the brain where all reason and common sense plays no more part in our survival.
 
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Anyone watch the Covid select committee yesterday? Oxford probably about 4 - 6 months ahead of anyone else in the world, we also now have the capacity to manufacture it in huge quantities.

Brussels likely asking us for help.

Oh and usual question, has anybody double checked the source?
 
Lost Seasider said:
Anyone watch the Covid select committee yesterday? Oxford probably about 4 - 6 months ahead of anyone else in the world, we also now have the capacity to manufacture it in huge quantities.
Brussels likely asking us for help.
Oh and usual question, has anybody double checked the source?
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There's a thread on that committee meeting LS. Fascinating to hear the best brains telling it like it is. Not many comments though. I don't think the usual culprits want to know about how the UK is the envy of the world in clinical research. Doesn't fit in with the anti-government agenda.
 
Scale of economy seems to escape quitlings. Satellite launching, licensing of medicines etc benefits hugely from a combined effort and budget. The development if a vaccine is another point in question

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Johnno said:
I didn’t realise that Brexit meant we were never allowed to deal with the EU if it suited us.
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It's got to suit them as well though, hasn't it?
I think the key point is the recognition that the EU, via its massive buying power has far more influence with the big conglomerates than we in the UK do. A fact that the pro-Brexit politicians were trying to get us to ignore in 2016.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Anyone watch the Covid select committee yesterday? Oxford probably about 4 - 6 months ahead of anyone else in the world, we also now have the capacity to manufacture it in huge quantities.

Brussels likely asking us for help.

Oh and usual question, has anybody double checked the source?
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The moment you cited Guido Fawkes as reliable while an ex Chief Scientific Officer is a lefty troublemaker made any request for a source have a miniscule value for perpetuity I'm afraid.
 
The original post sets out the rationale for Europe as a trade unit, which was its original purpose. No problems with that. The problem is its desire to be a political union and much more.
 
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The original post sets out the rationale for Europe as a trade unit, which was its original purpose. No prohlems with that. The prohlem is its desire to be a political union and much more.
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But that's what happens with progressive forward thinking, strength in unity works. Think all the states in the USA won't fragment because they know the alternative option is unthinkable. Brexit in 40 or 50 years time and all it's proponents will just become a mere blip on our journey, a small slip in our intelligence and commonsense. Our youth will see to that and not the cobwebbed fantasists of the ERG and their ilk.
 
Tangiverse said:
But that's what happens with progressive forward thinking, strength in unity works. Think all the states in the USA won't fragment because they know the alternative option is unthinkable. Brexit in 40 or 50 years time and all it's proponents will just become a mere blip on our journey, a small slip in our intelligence and commonsense. Our youth will see to that and not the cobwebbed fantasists of the ERG and their ilk.
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Well there’s no guarantee the US will exist in 100 years time.

It almost split (well actually it did split) in the 1860s (and bearing in mind I met people born in the 1880s that isn’t that long ago).

And while the States of the US are currently more united than the countries of the EU, that isn’t to say things couldn’t change. GDP of California compared to the GDP of the UK anyone?
 
Tangiverse said:
But that's what happens with progressive forward thinking, strength in unity works. Think all the states in the USA won't fragment because they know the alternative option is unthinkable. Brexit in 40 or 50 years time and all it's proponents will just become a mere blip on our journey, a small slip in our intelligence and commonsense. Our youth will see to that and not the cobwebbed fantasists of the ERG and their ilk.
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Our youth in 40 or 50 years time may learn about the EU in history because by then that’s what it will be.
 
Shandypants said:
I have thought for several minutes about how to sum this up, but words fail me. https://t.co/vhhPs5Vyoc
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Tangiverse said:
Don't think it''ll catch on -this collaborative joint effort to better one another's prospects. Brexit means full spinal column severance from the brain where all reason and common sense plays no more part in our survival.
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1966_and_all_that said:
Allow me to translate. Your Zzzzzzzzzzz, in English, means: from a pro-Brexit stance I haven't got a hope in hell of defending this so I'll stick my fingers in my ears, yell "la, di-la, la, la then pretend to be asleep.
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catinstalbans said:
The moment you cited Guido Fawkes as reliable while an ex Chief Scientific Officer is a lefty troublemaker made any request for a source have a miniscule value for perpetuity I'm afraid.
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Allow me to translate. You lost. Moan as much as you want and boy do you do that but you lost. Such bitter people. clearly the penny hasn't dropped with you LOSERS..
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Maybe. But I don’t really get where the hate of the EU comes from.

Have they really oppressed us? Some obviously think so.

But I don’t get it.
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The EU with the collaboration of successive UK governments has subjugated me to an unelected administration over which I have no control either through election or any other non violent means. The referendum was my only chance to free myself from this yolk I took that chance and won. Now please accept the result and get over it. You have had almost 50 years of your way of doing things, now try mine, thank you.
 
20togo said:
Allow me to translate. You lost. Moan as much as you want and boy do you do that but you lost. Such bitter people. clearly the penny hasn't dropped with you LOSERS..
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That's going to be extremely debatable and we will have a much clearer understanding next year where it could be where we all are losers!! No winners in this fantasist self imposed lunancy.
 
Lon
Goforgoal said:
The EU with the collaboration of successive UK governments has subjugated me to an unelected administration over which I have no control either through election or any other non violent means. The referendum was my only chance to free myself from this yolk I took that chance and won. Now please accept the result and get over it. You have had almost 50 years of your way of doing things, now try mine, thank you.
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But you voted in the EU elections in the same way as you voted in the UK elections? And probably with as much effect.

So you could argue against the UK yolk.

Nope still don’t get it.

But clearly some people think they’ve been oppressed by the EU. Can’t really see it myself, but there you go.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Lon

But you voted in the EU elections in the same way as you voted in the UK elections? And probably with as much effect.

So you could argue against the UK yolk.

Nope still don’t get it.

But clearly some people think they’ve been oppressed by the EU. Can’t really see it myself, but there you go.
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The EU parliament has zero power so elections to it are just a sop to convince the populace they are taking part. The real power and decisions are taken by the unelected commission.
 
Goforgoal said:
The EU parliament has zero power so elections to it are just a sop to convince the populace they are taking part. The real power and decisions are taken by the unelected commission.
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And you might say exactly the same about the power of the backbenchers in the House of Commons versus the Government.

So why is one vote more effective than the other?
 
Goforgoal said:
The EU with the collaboration of successive UK governments has subjugated me to an unelected administration over which I have no control either through election or any other non violent means. The referendum was my only chance to free myself from this yolk I took that chance and won. Now please accept the result and get over it. You have had almost 50 years of your way of doing things, now try mine, thank you.
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Whereas the Government in Westminster is wrapped round your little finger; totally under your control...hanging on your every word - yes?
 
Goforgoal said:
The EU with the collaboration of successive UK governments has subjugated me to an unelected administration over which I have no control either through election or any other non violent means. The referendum was my only chance to free myself from this yolk I took that chance and won. Now please accept the result and get over it. You have had almost 50 years of your way of doing things, now try mine, thank you.
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To be replaced by an unelected and unaccountable leader in Dominic Cummings. Great.
 
Wizaard said:
Well stop mention unelected bureaucrats then. The home grown one has far more power than anyone in Brussels in relation to what goes on here.
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They aren’t unelected bureaucrats, they are an unelected Government. He is one man.
 
I'd like to propose Wexit.

Too long we've been run by a distant and unaccountable government in London. It's time to leave Westminster and let each town forge it's own rules and its own trade links with each neighbour. If Stockport wants to sell hats, why should it sell it's hats according to rules dreamt up in towns that don't even make hats? Who is to say to us how we should make our rock or Wigan bake its pies? The rules on Chorley cakes are voted on by people representing places like Bakewell and Eccles - tell me how that's fair?

Think of the money we'd save as well. All those MPs and their staff heading of for London who could just stay at home instead. All that petty beaurocracy. Imagine. True local government. True democracy. Not this Westminster sham.

Plus we could have tangerine passports.

Gonna fire up the bus. I'm the new Farage.
 
20togo said:
Moan,moan moan moan ,zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. you lost. Get over it.
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But you've had 4 years to convince and persuade us to see the glorious future that could be ours with gold edged trade deals. So far, zero, zilch, FA a mundo. Hardly our fault we raise suspicions to the claims you all made to us.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
A devolution of power to localities would provide more opportunity for influence - not necessarily voting but a chance to have a real say over local (eg. North West / Lancashire / West Lancs) issues.
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At last, and I never thought it would happen, we have come to an agreement over something.
 
Goforgoal said:
They aren’t unelected bureaucrats, they are an unelected Government. He is one man.
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A dictator then? And by the way, the bureaucrats are chosen by the elected representatives, like Nigel Farage. Therefore accountable to you and I. Cummings is answerable to no one but decides the future strategy of this country. Democracy my arse.
 
Goforgoal said:
We managed for a long, long time before, I’m sure we will manage after leaving. If we ever do.
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Except we don't have an Empire to fall back on 😉

I hope we manage, I really do, but I don't see any reason why we'll be better off and surely that's the whole point. We're being set up to accept being worse off in the spurious name of controlling our borders and destiny, which we had anyway.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Lon

But you voted in the EU elections in the same way as you voted in the UK elections? And probably with as much effect.

So you could argue against the UK yolk.

Nope still don’t get it.

But clearly some people think they’ve been oppressed by the EU. Can’t really see it myself, but there you go.
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My vote actually counted for more in EU elections with it being PR and not first past the post.
 
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