The player who, if we start with next season, will mean a bad summer

wizard_wes

wizard_wes

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Sorry to say this, and I said it last season and feel I was proven right, but if we start with the Fonz next season then Critchley will have failed with his summer signings. Who's the player, who if we start with, will have meant we've not had a good summer transfer wise?
 
wizard_wes said:
Sorry to say this, and I said it last season and feel I was proven right, but if we start with the Fonz next season then Critchley will have failed with his summer signings. Who's the player, who if we start with, will have meant we've not had a good summer transfer wise?
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He is on a contract, how do you get rid if nobody wants him?
 
Nuttall

From what we saw last year I can not see him "coming good". I was always hoping he would, the first game which made me worry about his ability was the Morecambe game. Coming down from the League above being our big money signing upfront and he was basically a passenger against a poor League Two side (except for his goal which was a goalkeeping error). In comparison to that, Kaikai came on for 15 minutes and absolutely tore them apart, showing that he was clearly head and shoulders above the standard that exists in a poor League Two outfit.. And say what you will about confidence, if you were of a certain quality it would have shown in one form or another against a team so below your apparent level

I honestly believe he isn't good enough for League One. I've never joined in on the Nuttall bashing on here (or at games) as I've tried to give him a chance but I have lost hope in him. In the context of this question however, I would be very worried if we are starting Nuttall next season.
 
wizard_wes said:
Sorry to say this, and I said it last season and feel I was proven right, but if we start with the Fonz next season then Critchley will have failed with his summer signings. Who's the player, who if we start with, will have meant we've not had a good summer transfer wise?
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I think everyone needs to be a little more open minded. Critchley is a world class coach with lots of experience and he is going to play in a way unlike anything we have seen recently. I would therefore give any player he picks in his squad a blank slate and the opportunity to prove their worth all over again. (John Lundstram, Chris Basham - both playing at a higher level than we are and pushing for Europe yet we considered them 'not good enough' - proof enough different coaches and different systems can get players who look crap at one club looking class elsewhere)
As for Delfouenso - he's a clever player, suits attacking possession based football better than what we've played in recent years and he's got bundles of experience which may come in handy - plus he can play anywhere across a front 3. He may (finally) come good and be the player he was born to be.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I think everyone needs to be a little more open minded. Critchley is a world class coach with lots of experience and he is going to play in a way unlike anything we have seen recently. I would therefore give any player he picks in his squad a blank slate and the opportunity to prove their worth all over again. (John Lundstram, Chris Basham - both playing at a higher level than we are and pushing for Europe yet we considered them 'not good enough' - proof enough different coaches and different systems can get players who look crap at one club looking class elsewhere)
As for Delfouenso - he's a clever player, suits attacking possession based football better than what we've played in recent years and he's got bundles of experience which may come in handy - plus he can play anywhere across a front 3. He may (finally) come good and be the player he was born to be.
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Well said LA1 I suppose people have to post on various topics seeing as there's no actual football going on but some slack needs to be given to various members of the squad as you can write off what happened under Grayson and under Mcphillips too to a degree
Let Critch have a good , proper look at them over the next month or so and I'm sure he ll jettison those he can or doesn't rate .
 
LA1 what a great, possitive responce to an essentially negative OP

Which of us does not think we could have been a contender if only we had had the right person to help us on our way at an early age, I recon I could have painted the Sistine Chappel if only I'd met Michelangelo a bit earlier!
 
It’s interesting, given the comments on Delfouneso, that two of Critchley’s first three signings are creative/attacking midfielders
 
I think we know all we need to about Delfouneso if Critchley can help him at his age then 👍 Nuttall well I don’t know what to say. If he isn’t happy at Blackpool he has a few choices. Buck his ideas up & attract interest elsewhere, same but play for us or sit his contract out & see where that takes him. There are a few exceptions but usually in the first game you can see if a player has got something. He’s not on his own as a few of the last lot of signings hardly shone. I’ve stopped worrying just leave it to those in a better position to judge ie the manager & coaching staff.
 
TangerinePeel said:
Nuttall

From what we saw last year I can not see him "coming good". I was always hoping he would, the first game which made me worry about his ability was the Morecambe game. Coming down from the League above being our big money signing upfront and he was basically a passenger against a poor League Two side (except for his goal which was a goalkeeping error). In comparison to that, Kaikai came on for 15 minutes and absolutely tore them apart, showing that he was clearly head and shoulders above the standard that exists in a poor League Two outfit.. And say what you will about confidence, if you were of a certain quality it would have shown in one form or another against a team so below your apparent level

I honestly believe he isn't good enough for League One. I've never joined in on the Nuttall bashing on here (or at games) as I've tried to give him a chance but I have lost hope in him. In the context of this question however, I would be very worried if we are starting Nuttall next season.
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If we start with Nuttall it's because he's a good player who needs a bit of guidance. I trust NC completely to work with him. And improve him if he feels he can get him firing.
 
We are slowly building a younger squad but all seem to have reasonable experience. With better coaching, we should see improvements in most players. Nuttall was lauded before he played and to me looked lost and lacking confidence. Maybe that was down to the style of play or maybe he just isn't good enough but given how much we've invested in him and how young he is, it would be madness to bin him off. I still have high hopes as he has all the attributes to be a success in L1.
 
BlackpoolPuma said:
If we start with Nuttall it's because he's a good player who needs a bit of guidance. I trust NC completely to work with him. And improve him if he feels he can get him firing.
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I don't think Critchley starting Nuttall instantly means he is a good player. My opinion of Nuttall has been formed from actually seeing him play over the course of an entire season (almost), not the hypothetical notion that Critchley might start him next year?

If Critchley did start him, I guess it would renew some skeptical optimism in him as he must have seen something in him during training. But the point of the OP was to discuss who we think, based on their performance last season shouldn't be in the starting 11 next season. We can't judge someone based on whether Critchley is starting them yet as that hasn't happened, but we can judge players on what we've seen of them already

As I said in my post, I'd love nothing more for Nuttall to prove me wrong and bang them in next year. You'd be a fool to not want that
 
A great response LA1 but c'mon you're getting way ahead of yourself with the statement Critchley is a world class coach. Yep, I know he's highly qualified but his cv shows he's been coach of Liverpool under 18's[?] and Liverpool u23's. Sorry, but that is not enough to say yet that he's a world class coach.
 
20togo said:
A great response LA1 but c'mon you're getting way ahead of yourself with the statement Critchley is a world class coach. Yep, I know he's highly qualified but his cv shows he's been coach of Liverpool under 18's[?] and Liverpool u23's. Sorry, but that is not enough to say yet that he's a world class coach.
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He's got the single highest coaching qualification available anywhere in world football. He's managed possibly the single most productive youth academy and team in English football in the past decade and he's the member of staff entrusted by Jurgen Klopp (undoubtedly a world class coach) to manage and coach his world class player in his absence.
He may not be a world class manager (yet) but he is a world class coach. Liverpool can bring in coaches from literally anywhere in the world, from pretty much any club - therefore those that are there are surely world class- Critchley was a key coach at the club - therefore by default must be a world class coach. But yes - Coach - not necessarily Manager.
 
Disagree. Qualifications are a means to an end. You get the qualifications and then have to put it into practice and only then do you get to be at the top of the tree, Many examples of that in all walks of life. To be a world class coach he has to do it at the top level with the top players and he hasn't done that.
Let's face it, how many of us had heard of Critchley before we appointed him. Just a few perhaps will recall he took charge of Liverpool for an FA Cup tie whilst the first team squad were away for the World Club championship.
Anyway, I generally agree with your post on positivity, so I'm out on this now.
 
The players will have to work hard in pre season to cement a place in the first team squad the ones that don t perform will be farmed out on loan or simply sidelined until their contracts run out.
 
I don't feel that Nuttall was fit when he joined us and I dont think he was well coached or used by Grayson. He looked better and far more interested in the few games after Grayson had gone. No one knows yet, but I suspect that Critchley will get far more out of him and the best is yet to come
 
I'm not writing Nuttall off altogether. His treatment by so-called fans at games last year was pathetic.

But I'm probably closer to that than I am to thinking he's gonna suddenly thrive under Critchley. He's a Grayson signing, a Grayson player. Physical*, rather than particularly technical. He's showed no sign of great positional nous, hence the lack of goals. There's a hell of a lot that will need to fall his way for him to offer a return on our investment. It's unlikely. I am hopeful though.

* - Yes, before you start he wasn't as physical as he should've been at times last season 😄
 
seasideone said:
Clean slate for all.

I am desperate to see the system we use - praying it will be how Liverpool go about it 😊
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Spot on S1, we are assembling a decent young squad with exciting times ahead so everyone should be given an equal opportunity. More incomings expected but we also need a balance between young and experienced. Happy days 👍👍
 
I reckon NC is bringing in players whom he believes have a big enough engine to play the High Press. That requirement may be a pre-requisite. Anything else that they can do is a bonus.
 
I'm really looking forward to getting going again. Apart from the crap weather it's looking like a good Summer for the Club. So, whoever Critchley starts with has my vote.
 
AndrewDuncanSmith said:
The players will have to work hard in pre season to cement a place in the first team squad the ones that don t perform will be farmed out on loan or simply sidelined until their contracts run out.
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Talking of pre-season... have we heard anything about when it will start? Or whether the squad are doing any kind of training?
 
I am happy to be proven wrong, but sorry Fonz has had too many chances it’s time to move on. Another one to mention is Edwards, he will be good cover but cannot see these 2 playing a regular part in a team pushing for promotion ( even a good coach can only do so much 🧐)
 
Grumpy_no_more said:
Talking of pre-season... have we heard anything about when it will start? Or whether the squad are doing any kind of training?
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The old seasons haven't even finished yet we need to see who gets relegated and who wins the play off first.
I've said many times the seasons in lower league's can't afford to start without fans going through the turnstiles once Govt allow that we will then have dates for resumption.
 
mull said:
Well said LA1 I suppose people have to post on various topics seeing as there's no actual football going on but some slack needs to be given to various members of the squad as you can write off what happened under Grayson and under Mcphillips too to a degree
Let Critch have a good , proper look at them over the next month or so and I'm sure he ll jettison those he can or doesn't rate .
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Add Cathcart to that list. He had a real slagging off after a Mistake which lead to Wigan’s first goal and never recovered.
 
Sadly there is a long list of them - Ryan Edwards, Michael Nottingham, Ollie Turton, Grant Ward and I'd even say Gary Madine.
 
Grayth said:
I'm not writing Nuttall off altogether. His treatment by so-called fans at games last year was pathetic.

But I'm probably closer to that than I am to thinking he's gonna suddenly thrive under Critchley. He's a Grayson signing, a Grayson player. Physical*, rather than particularly technical. He's showed no sign of great positional nous, hence the lack of goals. There's a hell of a lot that will need to fall his way for him to offer a return on our investment. It's unlikely. I am hopeful though.

* - Yes, before you start he wasn't as physical as he should've been at times last season 😄
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Yep, everybody hopes he'll do better next season. All about confidence and belief. I remember Dunne saying he's a thinker, in other words a worrier. He's got a battle with himself I think.
 
no9 said:
Yep, everybody hopes he'll do better next season. All about confidence and belief. I remember Dunne saying he's a thinker, in other words a worrier. He's got a battle with himself I think.
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Well I never thought Feeney and Gnanduillet would have anything like the seasons they did so yeah I won't write him off just yet.
 
I would say Madine. Just don't think he has what he had and will be an impact player but not a starter. Certainly if Critchers wants to play the 'Gnando' way then Madine is a poor replacement.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
He's got the single highest coaching qualification available anywhere in world football. He's managed possibly the single most productive youth academy and team in English football in the past decade and he's the member of staff entrusted by Jurgen Klopp (undoubtedly a world class coach) to manage and coach his world class player in his absence.
He may not be a world class manager (yet) but he is a world class coach. Liverpool can bring in coaches from literally anywhere in the world, from pretty much any club - therefore those that are there are surely world class- Critchley was a key coach at the club - therefore by default must be a world class coach. But yes - Coach - not necessarily Manager.
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Liverpool would take him back anytime hope it’s after Neil has taken us back to the Prem

Getting a bit ahead of myself but you have to dream
 
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