These 'safe standing' trials
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Ooh It’s a Corner
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Rather like it was pre Taylor report
Matesrates
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Be interesting to see how they deal with season ticket holder’s in the parts of the ground which are going to be safe standing, particularly for those in those areas who don’t want it.
as an aside, when we score, everyone stands, jumps up and down, so we have some sort of standing anyway.
as an aside, when we score, everyone stands, jumps up and down, so we have some sort of standing anyway.
Critchknows
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I always struggle with this cos if you take us as an example and most clubs will be the same, a safe standing trial in the cop in say A, B and c blocks will make absolutely zero difference to anyone. Everyone stands anyway, it doesn't allow more people in it's just an expense to install rail seating and a bar in front of you. Don't really get the point. All it would do i suppose is solve the some wanna stand some wanna sit but that's common sense in where you get your ticket in the ground. Ah well.
bfcfan 1960
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The rail seating is a no brainer and should have been introduced a while ago fans all over the country are standing every week rail seating is a safe way to do this in certain sections of the stadium.
XBeds-Now-Kings_Meaburn
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Block C row X not been able to use my seat all season as everyone in front is standing throughout the match , So whats the difference ?
TwelveAngryMen
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It would avoid the issues you reference Beds as you have a designated area where everyone stands
I have had someone behind me in Block C asking me to sit down even though I would suggest its ' an unwritten rule ' that if you buy a seat there you must expect to have to stand
20togo
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agree with that. Think it was pretty clear that was gonna be the case pre-season too,
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Can you not change your Season Ticket to the South ? Saying that unless you’re in the West there’s going to be some issues with Standing even in the South if you’re towards the back…
BFC_BFC_BFC
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On the so called ‘safe standing’ I think it’s absolutely pointless and fans should be refusing to acknowledge it and pushing for proper standing at games, not this ridiculous hybrid seat / standing nonsense.
If you go to Germany they have proper terracing (admittedly there’s plenty of crush barriers), but it’s perfectly’safe’…
It’s ridiculous that we should even be considered this stupid idea.
If you go to Germany they have proper terracing (admittedly there’s plenty of crush barriers), but it’s perfectly’safe’…
It’s ridiculous that we should even be considered this stupid idea.
Lytham_fy8
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Standing was always safe, it was the bloody fences that weren't.
Safe standing originated in Germany!
You have to have the hybrid seat/standing by law as European games are required to be played in all-seater stadiums.
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20togo
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agree. It's like a halfway house point.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Exactly it was perfectly safe and you can make it safer still without the need for this ridiculously expensive shyte.
I mean look at that image above…it’s like being inside a damned zoo… cramped in behind barriers… I’d rather just stand in my seat cheers
I mean look at that image above…it’s like being inside a damned zoo… cramped in behind barriers… I’d rather just stand in my seat cheers
BFC_BFC_BFC
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The terracing I’ve stood on in Germany is nothing remotely like that crap.. It’s more like traditional British Terracing and it’s perfectly safe…
Bispham_Seasider
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Countries like Argentina still have huge terraces. Boca Juniors stadium for instance, behind both goals.
Not 100% sure about North America, but clubs such as Portland Timbers appear to have similar.
Not 100% sure about North America, but clubs such as Portland Timbers appear to have similar.
King Billy
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The whole thing pisses me off and banning standing in the top 2 divisions should never have been implemented in the first place.
It infers that the whole notion of standing was part of the reason for the Hillsborough disaster to divert the attention away from the real reasons it happened.
It infers that the whole notion of standing was part of the reason for the Hillsborough disaster to divert the attention away from the real reasons it happened.
Tend to agree. Can't fathom why some people get so hung up on it.
As_time_goes_bye
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It needs to be all along the east. Then we can have half and give up the other half to away support.
TwelveAngryMen
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You don't have to have that - though it's obviously easier to convert back to all-seater for European games
At Dortmund / Schalke etc they have proper terraces and physically bolt seats to those terraces when they have to
Others have ' rail seating '
Others ( inc Dortmund's Yellow Wall ) is a combination of both terrace and rail seats
BFC_BFC_BFC
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It needs to be consigned to room 101 along with the Sinclair C5…
I despair at the fact that people actually support this shit. I’m sure some of you would stand there with fecking harnesses clipped to the railings !!!
How old are most of the people on this thread?
45+…. And out of interest, how many of you find standing up unsafe? Bearing in mind that it’s what we are designed to do…
Get a grip and let’s campaign for a bit of common sense and freedom as opposed to being treated like caged animals…
Incidentally how dangerous would this shit actually be if people needed to actually exit the ground quickly…. Utterly Ridiculous!
TwelveAngryMen
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I agree but after all that's happened I think this is the best we can expect in the short to medium term
Yeah, I don't feel very strongly at all about it, I know some do. But can see why the club might not be keen on spending cash to convert Blocks where it happens already.
Agree with you it seems to work well in Germany.
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Surely it’s only the best we can expect because essentially it’s the only solution being put forward and supported by fan groups.
It’s actually more restrictive than the current arrangements. Pretty much every away game we attend we are standing and at home our fans stand in the areas of the ground where they wish…
Why on earth would you want to add additional obstructions at considerable expense into the mix..?
All it achieves is a) to formally allow people to do what they are already doing and b) To accept and legitimise the idea that we require this OTT system to be able to stand up safely at games…
As supporters we should be up in arms about this, but instead we just accept any old crap that’s thrown at us.
It’s a joke… we’ll all be twatting our elbows and knees on these unnecessary railings.
As_time_goes_bye
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I think it would be great if we had an all standing area of the ground. I would bin the rail seating if poss but as Angry man says, its the best we are gonna get under the circumstances
XBeds-Now-Kings_Meaburn
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Wasn't moaning about it but in previous seasons Pre-Prem & Prem I had same seat & could sit throughout .To me it shows that the atmosphere is now better than ever I've known it & last week was my 50th Anniversary of watching Pool
BFC_BFC_BFC
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Yep, probably… I just find it frustrating that we have to even consider the need for it. Blackpool is a classic example of where space is limited and terracing would offer an option to increase capacity…
Obviously safety needs to be a feature, but this takes it to the extreme…
Unfortunately that’s the world we live in
TangerineMike
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I'll take it if it leads to actually legitimised standing again.
Part of the motivation seems to be that the powers-that-be aren't against standing, so much as they're against free-for-all stand-where-you-like arrangements that makes identifying and nabbing troublemakers difficult. This compromise rail seating thing solves that, as there's an allocated place for you to sit/stand. I'm guessing it all makes it easier to control unruly crowds if it starts kicking off too.
Part of the motivation seems to be that the powers-that-be aren't against standing, so much as they're against free-for-all stand-where-you-like arrangements that makes identifying and nabbing troublemakers difficult. This compromise rail seating thing solves that, as there's an allocated place for you to sit/stand. I'm guessing it all makes it easier to control unruly crowds if it starts kicking off too.
Chunkylad
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If they’d have banned all the things wrong at Hillsborough, we’d have been steward and police free
King Billy
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Banning police incompetence would be a good start.
wizard_wes
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Have to say it will be a welcome bloody relief when we are allowed to stand again. Bloke in front of me gets out of his seat for a throw in!!
TwelveAngryMen
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I would much rather have German style terracing but you only have to look at home long it's taken to get to where we are with rail seating trials to see that there is unlikely going to be political support for a return of proper terracing
It is a compromise but for me far better than the current arrangement that relies on an informal understanding amongst fans as to where you sit and stand
I'd also suggest you are far less likely to ' ** your elbows and knees ' on a rail seat barrier than you are on the back of the seat in front of you
BFC_BFC_BFC
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It reminds me of being in Church
Like I say mate, after such a long time I’m amazed we haven’t collectively managed to come up with something better or prove the safety of other forms of terracing….
That said, maybe this particular system is more about the ‘flexibility’ to convert back to seating (as may be required for particular games) as opposed to being a safe terracing / safe standing solution (if that makes sense)…
I also can’t help but think that by accepting this we’ll likely never get the chance of any alternative…. “You’ve got what you asked for, you can now stand at games, discussion over”…. Whereas if Fans were saying ‘No… This really isn’t good enough as a solution’ then we may have seen better alternatives considered.
It’s probably better than nothing, although as someone said above, there will be an issue of cost to many Clubs as they will see no capacity benefits with this system.