This is a long term project

hertfordseasider

hertfordseasider

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Don't get me wrong, that was a poor performance today and we deserved to lose but this is a project and we have to be patient. It is going to take time for things to slot into place, I reckon it could take as many as 15 league games, maybe more. We need to be patient, critical yes, I think it is obvious to see we are lacking experience in the side right through the spine of the team.

We all want instant success but it doesn't work like that and we are going to have plenty more frustrating games like that to watch before it starts to work. Critchley needs to get away from signing young players now and get some experience in. Experience at the back, experience in midfield (Adam would have been the answer) and experience up top. Our squad, is, in my opinion too big and filled with similar players, we need a bit more variety.

We all say things after a disappointing defeat and performance, but at the end of the day this is going to be a difficult season and Critchley needs time and support to get things to really work. I am sure it will, but not immediately.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Don't get me wrong, that was a poor performance today and we deserved to lose but this is a project and we have to be patient. It is going to take time for things to slot into place, I reckon it could take as many as 15 league games, maybe more. We need to be patient, critical yes, I think it is obvious to see we are lacking experience in the side right through the spine of the team.

We all want instant success but it doesn't work like that and we are going to have plenty more frustrating games like that to watch before it starts to work. Critchley needs to get away from signing young players now and get some experience in. Experience at the back, experience in midfield (Adam would have been the answer) and experience up top. Our squad, is, in my opinion too big and filled with similar players, we need a bit more variety.

We all say things after a disappointing defeat and performance, but at the end of the day this is going to be a difficult season and Critchley needs time and support to get things to really work. I am sure it will, but not immediately.
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I agree with the thrust of your post, except that I thought we played well today, against a decent team. Without the howlers we win.

As you say, it will take time.
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
So you're saying you don't think 4 league games (one of which was a victory) is long enough to decide to tear the whole thing up and start again?
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I think Critchley needs a full season and then hopefully many more, it is disappointing today as we were poor for a lot of the game, which we haven't been previously, it is going to take time for this project to work.
 
I was being sarcastic, 4 games, one of which was a convincing win, clearly isn't enough to decide to tear the whole thing apart and start again.

The gammons on here calling for Critchley's head, spitting their dummies and stamping their feet are utterly clueless, yet also a perfect example of how society nowadays expects everything on a plate, immediately.
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
I was being sarcastic, 4 games, one of which was a convincing win, clearly isn't enough to decide to tear the whole thing apart and start again.

The gammons on here calling for Critchley's head, spitting their dummies and stamping their feet are utterly clueless, yet also a perfect example of how society nowadays expects everything on a plate, immediately.
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Which is why I posted what I did, I agree with you. However, I don't think we played well at all in the second half, we just edged the first.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Don't get me wrong, that was a poor performance today and we deserved to lose but this is a project and we have to be patient. It is going to take time for things to slot into place, I reckon it could take as many as 15 league games, maybe more. We need to be patient, critical yes, I think it is obvious to see we are lacking experience in the side right through the spine of the team.

We all want instant success but it doesn't work like that and we are going to have plenty more frustrating games like that to watch before it starts to work. Critchley needs to get away from signing young players now and get some experience in. Experience at the back, experience in midfield (Adam would have been the answer) and experience up top. Our squad, is, in my opinion too big and filled with similar players, we need a bit more variety.

We all say things after a disappointing defeat and performance, but at the end of the day this is going to be a difficult season and Critchley needs time and support to get things to really work. I am sure it will, but not immediately.
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I don't think it was a poor performance against a side who are 100% after 4 games. Obviously we gifted three goals but we looked promising at times going forward and there's no need to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Sort the back 4 out by getting a left sided CH in and we'll be ok.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Which is why I posted what I did, I agree with you. However, I don't think we played well at all in the second half, we just edged the first.
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The second half was poor, but we (and virtually every other team in this division) will have halves and even games like this. We're playing catch up to other teams who have already built up an understanding due to playing together last season (if not longer).

Has there been a single team, ever, that has been successful by constantly changing the manager and the playing staff?

I mean, we're talking 4 games here and some fans have already started calling for his head. 4 GAMES!
 
hertfordseasider said:
Don't get me wrong, that was a poor performance today and we deserved to lose but this is a project and we have to be patient. It is going to take time for things to slot into place, I reckon it could take as many as 15 league games, maybe more. We need to be patient, critical yes, I think it is obvious to see we are lacking experience in the side right through the spine of the team.

We all want instant success but it doesn't work like that and we are going to have plenty more frustrating games like that to watch before it starts to work. Critchley needs to get away from signing young players now and get some experience in. Experience at the back, experience in midfield (Adam would have been the answer) and experience up top. Our squad, is, in my opinion too big and filled with similar players, we need a bit more variety.

We all say things after a disappointing defeat and performance, but at the end of the day this is going to be a difficult season and Critchley needs time and support to get things to really work. I am sure it will, but not immediately.
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15 games, I would suggest the season and into next before NC finds the formula that works with everyone singing from the same hymsheet
 
We’re showing it in flashes but this is league one...it’s a mans league and not easy to football your way out of like McMahon did in League Two against pedestrian flat footed older cloggers.

It is a project but we have so many young lads you are risking their progression and maybe exposing them to regression if you don’t get a smidgeon of real experience alongside to help them. Are we prepared to take a relegation in order to progress which is what we did under Macca? Probably not now we’ve tasted real success. And that’s why it’s a mans game dealing with expectation at this club.
 
Wizaard said:
I don't think it was a poor performance against a side who are 100% after 4 games. Obviously we gifted three goals but we looked promising at times going forward and there's no need to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Sort the back 4 out by getting a left sided CH in and we'll be ok.
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I think it's a bit more than just the defence. We were gifted a goal and scored one from the scraps of a poor corner.

I just don't see us creating goals.

Also, in response to others I'm not sure people are calling for NC's head, I'm calling for him to be given some help- the lad's as new to this as some of the players are to L1.
 
not sure it was a poor performance, thought we played really well for a good 60 mnutes, but defensively we looked very shaky, particularly down the left. with a bit of look we could have had four or five today. if we dont get shots on target when we have clear chances and make their keeper work any mistakes we make at the back are going to be doubly problematic
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
So you're saying you don't think 4 league games (one of which was a victory) is long enough to decide to tear the whole thing up and start again?
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Not that I don't agree with the majority of what Herts said but do I find myself questioning why so many are keen to inform us that Critchley shouldn't get the tick-tack after 1, 3 and now 4 games ?
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
Not that I don't agree with the majority of what Herts said but do I find myself questioning why so many are keen to inform us that Critchley shouldn't get the tick-tack after 1, 3 and now 4 games ?
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In response to people saying he is out of his depth and should be potted; they probably think firing someone 4 games in to a total rebuild of a squad is utterly ludicrous.
 
There isn’t one player throughout the spine of the team that inspires me....
Maxwell.....Could have done a lot better with some of 7 goals conceded..bit small on my eyes
Big Marv dodgy
Notts well dodgy
Robson....ok
Yates....no end product....YET
 
Willmcgseasider said:
We didn’t deserve to lose at all, three mistakes cost us today, I swear I’m watching a different game to every miserable sod on here right now, never seen so much doom and gloom Jesus Christ blackpool fans are so embarrassing
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Yes, I agree. If Husband hadn’t made his mistake I believe we would have won against a confident/decent Lincoln side.
Sure, the subs weakened the side but it’s still early days and I believe Critch and the team are still learning.
 
Willmcgseasider said:
We didn’t deserve to lose at all, three mistakes cost us today, I swear I’m watching a different game to every miserable sod on here right now, never seen so much doom and gloom Jesus Christ blackpool fans are so embarrassing
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We’ve got 3 points all season....and we are playing like Barcelona according to you....
When do we start complaining when we are 10 points adrift
 
Spider29 said:
We’ve got 3 points all season....and we are playing like Barcelona according to you....
When do we start complaining when we are 10 points adrift
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The person who started this thread stated we deserved to lose today, the game I watched today showed we did not deserve to lose today. As I said individual mistakes cost us today. Is it good enough to lose three out of four? Absolutely not but as a newly formed team playing positive, attack minded football it’s gonna take time, the negativity on here after every defeat is so unbelievably draining, full of clueless, negative fans
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
In response to people saying he is out of his depth and should be potted; they probably think firing someone 4 games in to a total rebuild of a squad is utterly ludicrous.
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My point is that what you are saying is so obvious.

Wiz calls it right re the "FIFA generation".

I call them the Facebook generation but it amounts to the same thing.

They all think football didn't exist before 1992, I don't know if they are clueless or spoilt or both.

What happened to the time when we used to criticise after a match without wanting the manager sacked after every loss ?

Wasted too much time reading the chite on here after the match, I used to defend posters rights but I was wrong to do so, the people calling for Critchley's head or maybe strongly criticising him after every defeat will be the same folk that were telling us the other week that Critchley was the reincarnate of Klopp and that we were going to win the league.
 
Willmcgseasider said:
The person who started this thread stated we deserved to lose today, the game I watched today showed we did not deserve to lose today. As I said individual mistakes cost us today. Is it good enough to lose three out of four? Absolutely not but as a newly formed team playing positive, attack minded football it’s gonna take time, the negativity on here after every defeat is so unbelievably draining, full of clueless, negative fans
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Why are we clueless ?
Because we don’t share your point of view ?
Why should we share your point of view ?
It’s a reasoned debate we are having....
We could win the next game but then again we could loose the next 4...
 
SEASIDE2020 said:
My point is that what you are saying is so obvious.
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Of course it's obvious, but these people are clowns who have the attention span of a goldfish who expect everything yesterday.

Yes it is their opinion, but unfortunately on occasion opinions can be absolute bobbins, and this is one of those times. Not opinions are valid or worth giving the time of day to.
 
Spider29 said:
Why are we clueless ?
Because we don’t share your point of view ?
Why should we share your point of view ?
It’s a reasoned debate we are having....
We could win the next game but then again we could loose the next 4...
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I can understand if people’s opinions hold some sort of substance, but there are people posting their ‘knowledge’ which is quite clearly obscene in my opinion, I want a reasonable explanation from anyone on here as to why we deserved to lose today, until I get one I’ll think that comment is ludicrous
 
Willmcgseasider said:
I can understand if people’s opinions hold some sort of substance, but there are people posting their ‘knowledge’ which is quite clearly obscene in my opinion, I want a reasonable explanation from anyone on here as to why we deserved to lose today, until I get one I’ll think that comment is ludicrous
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We lost because we conceded 3 goals.....
You can't win many games needing to score 4...
Individual errors in defence need to be eradicated which i presume is down to each player...
 
hertfordseasider said:
Don't get me wrong, that was a poor performance today and we deserved to lose but this is a project and we have to be patient. It is going to take time for things to slot into place, I reckon it could take as many as 15 league games, maybe more. We need to be patient, critical yes, I think it is obvious to see we are lacking experience in the side right through the spine of the team.

We all want instant success but it doesn't work like that and we are going to have plenty more frustrating games like that to watch before it starts to work. Critchley needs to get away from signing young players now and get some experience in. Experience at the back, experience in midfield (Adam would have been the answer) and experience up top. Our squad, is, in my opinion too big and filled with similar players, we need a bit more variety.

We all say things after a disappointing defeat and performance, but at the end of the day this is going to be a difficult season and Critchley needs time and support to get things to really work. I am sure it will, but not immediately.
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You've contradicted yourself. You said we need to be patient "for the project" (nurturing young players) then go on to say we need to get away from signing young players and sign experience. This would be contrary to the "project" you say we have to be patient with.
 
Believe everyone has a right to a constructive opinion.
I think we deserved to lose because they scored more goals and made fewer mistakes than us.
We haven't been convincing in any of our four league games to date.
Not sure if there's a plan of any term, but the table won't lie, whether we scrutinise it after 10/15/46 games. If we average three points every four games, we'll be relegated.
It appears little "progress" has been made on-the-field, since the back end of last season.
We're not good enough at present. It's that simple.
 
I think it's a cop out to say the team are too young, they shouldn't be let off the hook that lightly. Yes we need a proper experienced leader at centre back and maybe even someone a bit more commanding in midfield.

In today's starting 11, the youngest player was Lubala at 22. Then we've got Mitchell, Robson and Yates at 23. Ekpiteta, Keshi, Ward, Hamilton at 25, Husband 26, Turton 27, Maxwell 30.

It's not like we are playing a team full of teanagers. They should be up to the standard by now, a lot of them are coming into their peak years.
 
Really don’t get people saying we played well. We played some great football in snippets but over the majority of the game we were outplayed in every area by a decent team.
We need to improve dramatically to compete in this league.
Yes you could show 10 clips of some great play by us. But this isn’t Facebook, it’s what happens over 90 minutes that counts Not just your best buts and for the majority of the game we were poor in all areas .
Got to admit I’m worried that we won’t get out of this without a radical rethink on our approach to the game.
Really hope I’m proved wrong.
 
Willmcgseasider said:
The person who started this thread stated we deserved to lose today, the game I watched today showed we did not deserve to lose today. As I said individual mistakes cost us today. Is it good enough to lose three out of four? Absolutely not but as a newly formed team playing positive, attack minded football it’s gonna take time, the negativity on here after every defeat is so unbelievably draining, full of clueless, negative fans
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I've been nothing but positive about this team and I still am, I watched the game, thought we edged the first half, but we were poor in the second half and they were the better, more intelligent team. So I think they deserved to win. It's going to take time, that was the point of my O/P.
 
Macseasider said:
You've contradicted yourself. You said we need to be patient "for the project" (nurturing young players) then go on to say we need to get away from signing young players and sign experience. This would be contrary to the "project" you say we have to be patient with.
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We only really have young, inexperienced players on the whole, which is fine, but we need some balance, we need some quality experience to play alongside that inexperience.
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
Of course it's obvious, but these people are clowns who have the attention span of a goldfish who expect everything yesterday.

Yes it is their opinion, but unfortunately on occasion opinions can be absolute bobbins, and this is one of those times. Not opinions are valid or worth giving the time of day to.
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They are talking chite and will be raving about the "Critchley Revolution" in a fortnight or so.

That's why I said that people shouldn't give them any attention but I have failed to listen to my own advice and have wasted time discussing a non issue.

Although to be fair, there are only 42 games left now.
 
1 centre back yes...
But he isn’t paying for 2...
Having already shelled out on Egg Potato....
He’s gonna use Egg Potato come hell or high water
 
So, Critchley has a vision of his football, based upon his long period of coaching kids and an U-23 squad. And Sadler has bought into it, based upon the number of players who graduated into Liverpool’s first team. Nothing wrong with that. However, jumping in with both feet right from the start is ambitious and carries risks of course.

For a good start to his managerial career, with stability and consistent improvement, would it not have better to test the water first? By all means blood young players but I did think that ridding the squad of Feeney and Delfouneso was a little premature unless their replacements were so much better. So we have lost nearly all the older heads. Which means it’s likely we will continue to drop points late in games. Until the Critchley system matures. If it does... I hope so.

Fortune favours the brave... If you never try... Fools rush in where angels fear to tread... Plenty a slip twixt cup and drink... One step forward, two steps back... Plenty of contradictory clichés to quote here.
 
Archibald Knox said:
So, Critchley has a vision of his football, based upon his long period of coaching kids and an U-23 squad. And Sadler has bought into it, based upon the number of players who graduated into Liverpool’s first team. Nothing wrong with that. However, jumping in with both feet right from the start is ambitious and carries risks of course.

For a good start to his managerial career, with stability and consistent improvement, would it not have better to test the water first? By all means blood young players but I did think that ridding the squad of Feeney and Delfouneso was a little premature unless their replacements were so much better. So we have lost nearly all the older heads. Which means it’s likely we will continue to drop points late in games. Until the Critchley system matures. If it does... I hope so.

Fortune favours the brave... If you never try... Fools rush in where angels fear to tread... Plenty a slip twixt cup and drink... One step forward, two steps back... Plenty of contradictory clichés to quote here.
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Those clamouring for change were the same ones slagging Delfouneso, Gnanduillet and Feeney at the start of last season.
 
Willmcgseasider said:
The person who started this thread stated we deserved to lose today, the game I watched today showed we did not deserve to lose today. As I said individual mistakes cost us today. Is it good enough to lose three out of four? Absolutely not but as a newly formed team playing positive, attack minded football it’s gonna take time, the negativity on here after every defeat is so unbelievably draining, full of clueless, negative fans
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Your opinion is just as important as everyone else's. Fans being critical of NC and the team might be being negative but that does not mean they are clueless. With three losses from four games fans are bound to be anxious. Before the season started there was so much excitement with a new coach and investment in players so naturally the start we've made is like a kick in the guts.
 
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