Thoughts on yesterday

Shiggy

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Not usually one to write a big post following a game, I usually just reply to other posts, argue with some strangers for a bit, and then call it a night, but I feel a need to vent after yesterday for lots of reasons, so even if no one reads it it will be worth while.

Everything was set up for that to be a great day yesterday. The weather was ideal, we had 4,000 travelling fans in good spirits, and I’d say our biggest game of the season so far. I like many decided to use the trains as my mode of transport and I like many probably regret that now but it wasn’t too bad going. It’s always hilarious seeing people who clearly aren’t in to football be hit with the realisation that there’s in fact a big game on and that their trip to the Manchester Christmas markets may not go as smoothly as they’d anticipated. Chorley was a good stop off in between and after a few beers I headed to the ground.

I liked the lineup when it was released. Dembele was starting. Norburn was back. I liked that Thompson was included. In hindsight though I don’t think we should play with a lone striker. 5 at the back AND 1 up top to me seems like overkill and feeds into this narrative over Critchley’s cautiousness. It’s a real shame Lavery was injured, I’m a big fan of his anyway but I think that game was crying out for him yesterday. For all Rhodes’ qualities he doesn’t excel at pressing or chasing down lost causes like Lavery does.

On to the game and, it’s really difficult to put into words. At no point did I feel like we were going to lose that game. I thought we started well and asserted ourselves away to one of the best sides in the division. I know Carey divides opinion but I think you could see he’s boosted his confidence massively. He was far more inclined to turn and try to beat men rather than play backwards. Bolton were ok but barely threatened and we looked solid. Towards the end of the half I found myself itching for ht as we came under a bit of pressure but like I said nothing really came of it.

Second half we were just dull. I would’ve taken a draw before the game but 3 points were there for the taking and we just didn’t take advantage. It was a case of constantly waiting for something to happen and it never did. We then give the ball away cheaply and their lad scores a good goal and that’s the game. A disappointing defeat when it looked like it had been set up for a good away day result.

I would love us to try 4-4-2. Our defence is good enough to be just as solid. Norburn can play the anchor role which he does so well. And I think with a bit more freedom CJ and Dale could cause more problems, especially Dale. I’m a big defender of Critchley but I just can’t see us going up if yesterday is the standard. I don’t agree with the idea that we play shite football under him but we are too cautious and everyone is sick of cautious. Fans want us to have a go and take the game to teams and they have every right to want that. If he doesn’t take the handle-brake off and we continue with the inconsistency then more and more people will start to get on his back I fear.

Oh, as for the train debacle after the game. What a cock up. We’ve known since July that we’d be playing Bolton away on the 11th November and yet everything and everyone responsible for managing the crowds were completely unprepared. We’re lucky there wasn’t any serious injuries.
 
I fully agree our approach to games is way too cautious/ passive, we should be attacking these teams with everything we've got and if that's not enough then we've done our best.
Everyone is saying Critchley is too defensive but he is only playing three defenders most of the time and I actually dont think we are good enough with only three.
We have lost important points recently because the wingbacks have switched off, (Dale & Thompson)
I think to mount a serious promotion push we have to be a lot better defenceivly and the only way that is going to happen is to play our best defenders, and that means Pennington Ekpiteta Casey and Husband.
I think in midfield and attack we have more than enough.
 
Not usually one to write a big post following a game, I usually just reply to other posts, argue with some strangers for a bit, and then call it a night, but I feel a need to vent after yesterday for lots of reasons, so even if no one reads it it will be worth while.

Everything was set up for that to be a great day yesterday. The weather was ideal, we had 4,000 travelling fans in good spirits, and I’d say our biggest game of the season so far. I like many decided to use the trains as my mode of transport and I like many probably regret that now but it wasn’t too bad going. It’s always hilarious seeing people who clearly aren’t in to football be hit with the realisation that there’s in fact a big game on and that their trip to the Manchester Christmas markets may not go as smoothly as they’d anticipated. Chorley was a good stop off in between and after a few beers I headed to the ground.

I liked the lineup when it was released. Dembele was starting. Norburn was back. I liked that Thompson was included. In hindsight though I don’t think we should play with a lone striker. 5 at the back AND 1 up top to me seems like overkill and feeds into this narrative over Critchley’s cautiousness. It’s a real shame Lavery was injured, I’m a big fan of his anyway but I think that game was crying out for him yesterday. For all Rhodes’ qualities he doesn’t excel at pressing or chasing down lost causes like Lavery does.

On to the game and, it’s really difficult to put into words. At no point did I feel like we were going to lose that game. I thought we started well and asserted ourselves away to one of the best sides in the division. I know Carey divides opinion but I think you could see he’s boosted his confidence massively. He was far more inclined to turn and try to beat men rather than play backwards. Bolton were ok but barely threatened and we looked solid. Towards the end of the half I found myself itching for ht as we came under a bit of pressure but like I said nothing really came of it.

Second half we were just dull. I would’ve taken a draw before the game but 3 points were there for the taking and we just didn’t take advantage. It was a case of constantly waiting for something to happen and it never did. We then give the ball away cheaply and their lad scores a good goal and that’s the game. A disappointing defeat when it looked like it had been set up for a good away day result.

I would love us to try 4-4-2. Our defence is good enough to be just as solid. Norburn can play the anchor role which he does so well. And I think with a bit more freedom CJ and Dale could cause more problems, especially Dale. I’m a big defender of Critchley but I just can’t see us going up if yesterday is the standard. I don’t agree with the idea that we play shite football under him but we are too cautious and everyone is sick of cautious. Fans want us to have a go and take the game to teams and they have every right to want that. If he doesn’t take the handle-brake off and we continue with the inconsistency then more and more people will start to get on his back I fear.

Oh, as for the train debacle after the game. What a cock up. We’ve known since July that we’d be playing Bolton away on the 11th November and yet everything and everyone responsible for managing the crowds were completely unprepared. We’re lucky there wasn’t any serious injuries.
Good post. You say at no point did you feel like we were going to lose the game, but unfortunately at no point did I really feel we were going to win, and that's the problem. No shots on target in the whole game, and now only one win in 8 away from home. We just aren't getting it right on our travels at all.
Unfortunately, for this back three system to work well, you need to have consistently good wing backs and for me CJ and Dale aren't consistent. In fact, when they're bad they're mostly useless and that renders the entire game plan ineffective. They do have good games, but consistency is the key. I can't help thinking that we'd be a completely different proposition with Lyons and Gabriel in those positions.
 
Yes I agree 53, we are crying out for another wide man who has more to his game than those two, they are very inconsistent, could Apter do a job ? or another option in January. I also think a left sided CB is needed, Husband has done well but bookings are going to mount up for him, it was his error that caused the goal not Thompson who was put in a difficult position due to the way we play IMO.
 
Not usually one to write a big post following a game, I usually just reply to other posts, argue with some strangers for a bit, and then call it a night, but I feel a need to vent after yesterday for lots of reasons, so even if no one reads it it will be worth while.

Everything was set up for that to be a great day yesterday. The weather was ideal, we had 4,000 travelling fans in good spirits, and I’d say our biggest game of the season so far. I like many decided to use the trains as my mode of transport and I like many probably regret that now but it wasn’t too bad going. It’s always hilarious seeing people who clearly aren’t in to football be hit with the realisation that there’s in fact a big game on and that their trip to the Manchester Christmas markets may not go as smoothly as they’d anticipated. Chorley was a good stop off in between and after a few beers I headed to the ground.

I liked the lineup when it was released. Dembele was starting. Norburn was back. I liked that Thompson was included. In hindsight though I don’t think we should play with a lone striker. 5 at the back AND 1 up top to me seems like overkill and feeds into this narrative over Critchley’s cautiousness. It’s a real shame Lavery was injured, I’m a big fan of his anyway but I think that game was crying out for him yesterday. For all Rhodes’ qualities he doesn’t excel at pressing or chasing down lost causes like Lavery does.

On to the game and, it’s really difficult to put into words. At no point did I feel like we were going to lose that game. I thought we started well and asserted ourselves away to one of the best sides in the division. I know Carey divides opinion but I think you could see he’s boosted his confidence massively. He was far more inclined to turn and try to beat men rather than play backwards. Bolton were ok but barely threatened and we looked solid. Towards the end of the half I found myself itching for ht as we came under a bit of pressure but like I said nothing really came of it.

Second half we were just dull. I would’ve taken a draw before the game but 3 points were there for the taking and we just didn’t take advantage. It was a case of constantly waiting for something to happen and it never did. We then give the ball away cheaply and their lad scores a good goal and that’s the game. A disappointing defeat when it looked like it had been set up for a good away day result.

I would love us to try 4-4-2. Our defence is good enough to be just as solid. Norburn can play the anchor role which he does so well. And I think with a bit more freedom CJ and Dale could cause more problems, especially Dale. I’m a big defender of Critchley but I just can’t see us going up if yesterday is the standard. I don’t agree with the idea that we play shite football under him but we are too cautious and everyone is sick of cautious. Fans want us to have a go and take the game to teams and they have every right to want that. If he doesn’t take the handle-brake off and we continue with the inconsistency then more and more people will start to get on his back I fear.

Oh, as for the train debacle after the game. What a cock up. We’ve known since July that we’d be playing Bolton away on the 11th November and yet everything and everyone responsible for managing the crowds were completely unprepared. We’re lucky there wasn’t any serious injuries.
That is a spot on post. Everything is there for us to be successful and entertain along the way, but he won't let it happen. We have to try something different to get the best out of this good squad before it's too late.
 
I just hope and pray that the manager has the courage and strength of character to stick to what he believes in and that the chairman is willing to withstand a bit of short term inconsistency in order to allow the manager to do so.

The pressure from our fans in mounting, but it would be an absolute travesty if they capitulated now and (god help us) reverted to a negative 4-4-2… To take such a retrograde step after coming so far would be a real statement of weakness imho.

We’ve seen significant positives in the way we have performed in the last two league games in particular.

On the overall balance of play, we deserved to beat Fleetwood and draw at Bolton.

Anyone who took time to listen to the Bolton Fans on our recent podcasts, would have noted that they have experienced similar teething problems under Ian Evatt, whilst bedding their squad in to the same system.

Hold your nerve folks…. 👍
 
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As for the trains, I came across an advert for Northern Rail saying Bradford to Blackpool from £7,50. So I went to the Northern Rail site and it confirmed that presently there are no trains directly between Bradford and Blackpool with the only route being via Manchester, with either 1 or 2 changes, £14.20 single, I appreciate I would get discount for senior rail card.

I have complained for a couple of years, at least, to Northern Rail, including to the chief exec, about there only being three carriages on these direct trains which often are extremely overcrowded, and/or are regularly cancelled all to no avail. I have not received one letter in return, how's that for customer service? The route is used by holidaymakers, day trippers and football fans going to any of the games at Burnley, Accrington, Blackburn, Preston and Blackpool as well as occasional fans going to other grounds and changing at Preston and is extremely busy with people often not being able to get on the trains.

The strikes have made it even more of a gamble, but to go back to my original gripe, how are a company allowed to advertise tickets for £7.50, when it appears they are not available?

Northern Rail are a complete disgrace in my book.
 
The pressure from our fans in mounting, but it would be an absolute travesty if they capitulated now and (his help us) reverted to a negative 4-4-2… To take such a retrograde step after coming so far would be a real statement of weakness imho.

What about a very attacking 424?!

..............Grimshaw
Gabriel Marv Husband Lyons
..........Norburn Dougall
Joseph Rhodes Lavery Dembele
 
What about a very attacking 424?!

..............Grimshaw
Gabriel Marv Husband Lyons
..........Norburn Dougall
Joseph Rhodes Lavery Dembele

I can’t see it..

After listening to the Podcasts and how the Bolton Fans described their own experience with the system, I’m even more convinced that we persevere.

In our last two league games the performances have merited a different outcome. Bolton possibly shaded it over the 90, but a draw would have been a fair result. I said to my mate, prior to their goal that I thought either side could nick it.

Fleetwood we really should have won and they just got the rub of the green on the night. Statistically speaking we beat them, the game went against the ‘expected outcome’ and so that’s a few points we are owed when things ‘even themselves out’
 
I can’t see it..

After listening to the Podcasts and how the Bolton Fans described their own experience with the system, I’m even more convinced that we persevere.

In our last two league games the performances have merited a different outcome. Bolton possibly shaded it over the 90, but a draw would have been a fair result. I said to my mate, prior to their goal that I thought either side could nick it.

Fleetwood we really should have won and they just got the rub of the green on the night. Statistically speaking we beat them, the game went against the ‘expected outcome’ and so that’s a few points we are owed when things ‘even themselves out’
I honestly think you’re losing the plot mate. We didn’t beat Fleetwood cos he started and ended with the wrong team and didn’t beat Bolton because we didn’t have a shot on target yet you’re pleading for patience and hoping Mr Negative sticks with the same formation 🤔🤔🤔
 
I honestly think you’re losing the plot mate. We didn’t beat Fleetwood cos he started and ended with the wrong team and didn’t beat Bolton because we didn’t have a shot on target yet you’re pleading for patience and hoping Mr Negative sticks with the same formation 🤔🤔🤔

We deserved to win against Fleetwood based on the play.

The ‘shots on target’ thing is a complete red herring as far as the game on Saturday is concerned. We had 3 or 4 goal scoring opportunities as did they.

There’s nothing negative about the formation..

You’re all proposing that we drop an attacking player for a defender. That’s negative !!

424 would leave us without a proper midfield and essentially just lumping it forward. Likewise 4-4-2 cedes the midfield to the opposition and we end up playing the counter-attacking football that everyone slated.

We’ve never managed to play 4-3-3 successfully… worst of both worlds for us, because it exposes Marv’s weaknesses in a back 4.
 
We deserved to win against Fleetwood based on the play.

The ‘shots on target’ thing is a complete red herring as far as the game on Saturday is concerned. We had 3 or 4 goal scoring opportunities as did they.

There’s nothing negative about the formation..

You’re all proposing that we drop an attacking player for a defender. That’s negative !!

424 would leave us without a proper midfield and essentially just lumping it forward. Likewise 4-4-2 cedes the midfield to the opposition and we end up playing the counter-attacking football that everyone slated.

We’ve never managed to play 4-3-3 successfully… worst of both worlds for us, because it exposes Marv’s weaknesses in a back 4.
you're getting worse contrary mary. Your last line is utter bollux.It's playing in a back 5 that exposes Marvs weakness. Why? Because when the likes of Grimshaw has the ball the two wing backs push up, and the left and right men of the middle three push wide leaving Marv as the middle man to get te ball. Marv as the middle man of the back three centre halves is always the go to man from either the goalkeeper or the centre midfield. As you say you spend more time watching the tv from behind the curtain than being bothered to watch games. No doubt half pissed too.

And you continued to defend McCarthy and his tactics to the end too. Contrary mary,deliberately so, or just hasn't a clue about football. Or both.
 
I just hope and pray that the manager has the courage and strength of character to stick to what he believes in and that the chairman is willing to withstand a bit of short term inconsistency in order to allow the manager to do so.

The pressure from our fans in mounting, but it would be an absolute travesty if they capitulated now and (god help us) reverted to a negative 4-4-2… To take such a retrograde step after coming so far would be a real statement of weakness imho.

We’ve seen significant positives in the way we have performed in the last two league games in particular.

On the overall balance of play, we deserved to beat Fleetwood and draw at Bolton.

Anyone who took time to listen to the Bolton Fans on our recent podcasts, would have noted that they have experienced similar teething problems under Ian Evatt, whilst bedding their squad in to the same system.

Hold your nerve folks…. 👍
I’ve been willing for the current system to work, I really have, and I’m not writing it off just yet. But is it really bringing us benefits that a 4 at the back system wouldn’t?

You’re right… any team could’ve nicked it on Saturday. But I genuinely think we could’ve not only nicked it but won comfortably. It was hardly a great performance from Bolton. Of course that’s all hypothetical but it’s just my view of the game.
I don’t really want to see us play Rhodes as a lone striker again at the very least. Dembele and Carey are best when they turn and have options in front of them. They didn’t really have that on Saturday so had to resort to going back or trying to do too much with the ball.
 
We deserved to win against Fleetwood based on the play.

The ‘shots on target’ thing is a complete red herring as far as the game on Saturday is concerned. We had 3 or 4 goal scoring opportunities as did they.

There’s nothing negative about the formation..

You’re all proposing that we drop an attacking player for a defender. That’s negative !!

424 would leave us without a proper midfield and essentially just lumping it forward. Likewise 4-4-2 cedes the midfield to the opposition and we end up playing the counter-attacking football that everyone slated.

We’ve never managed to play 4-3-3 successfully… worst of both worlds for us, because it exposes Marv’s weaknesses in a back 4.
We deserved to win against Fleetwood but didn’t. We had no shots on target on Saturday and didn’t……. those are facts mate, the rest of the rubbish you’re just making up to suit your agenda, you’re becoming deluded 🙄
 
We deserved to win against Fleetwood but didn’t. We had no shots on target on Saturday and didn’t……. those are facts mate, the rest of the rubbish you’re just making up to suit your agenda, you’re becoming deluded 🙄
...."becoming"? Happened a long time ago. Anyone continually defending McCarthys tactics tells you that.
 
We deserved to win against Fleetwood but didn’t. We had no shots on target on Saturday and didn’t……. those are facts mate, the rest of the rubbish you’re just making up to suit your agenda, you’re becoming deluded 🙄
I don’t really have an agenda.

I hope I’m not deluded, it’s possible…

My belief is that we’ve been shortchanged over the last 5 games in terms of performance vs outcome. probably to the tune of 4-6 points.

‘The Stats’ would seem to back that up…
 
I don’t really have an agenda.

I hope I’m not deluded, it’s possible…

My belief is that we’ve been shortchanged over the last 5 games in terms of performance vs outcome. probably to the tune of 4-6 points.

‘The Stats’ would seem to back that up…
the most important stat is goals scored so more nonsense from you mary.
 
I don’t really have an agenda.

I hope I’m not deluded, it’s possible…

My belief is that we’ve been shortchanged over the last 5 games in terms of performance vs outcome. probably to the tune of 4-6 points.

‘The Stats’ would seem to back that up…
We’re being short changed by a negative manager who seems totally against all out attacking football. Even when we were 3 up against an awful Cheltenham side he set us up to take the 3 points and we nearly messed that up.
If Simon doesn’t get rid (his club, his choice) he at least needs to get someone in as a number 2 with his own voice, not a Garrity style yes man
 
We’re being short changed by a negative manager who seems totally against all out attacking football. Even when we were 3 up against an awful Cheltenham side he set us up to take the 3 points and we nearly messed that up.
If Simon doesn’t get rid (his club, his choice) he at least needs to get someone in as a number 2 with his own voice, not a Garrity style yes man
Nah… The results have just not gone as they should. That can happen sometimes.

‘Getting Rid’ of the manager right now isn’t even a remote possibility. It would be a ridiculous decision to do that.

We’ve no idea about Garrity and Brunskill… The whole ‘Yes Men’ thing is another myth. Critchley trusts them both and it’s right that he works with his own men… The last time we brought in a so called ‘experienced number 2’ we ended up resorting to shit football just to get results….. Critch needs his back room staff on plan, not pulling him in different directions.
 
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Nah… The results have just not gone as they should. That can happen sometimes.

‘Getting Rid’ of the manager right now isn’t even a remote possibility. It would be a ridiculous decision to do that.

We’ve no idea about Garrity and Brunskill… The whole ‘Yes Men’ thing is another myth. Critchley trusts them both and it’s right that he works with his own men… The last time we brought in a so called ‘experienced number 2’ we ended up resorting to shit football just to get results….. Critch needs his back room staff on plan, not pulling him in different directions.
Good job you have a lot of spare time on your hands Daz, it must be exhausting defending everything the team and manager do wrong at the moment?
 
We’re being short changed by a negative manager who seems totally against all out attacking football. Even when we were 3 up against an awful Cheltenham side he set us up to take the 3 points and we nearly messed that up.
If Simon doesn’t get rid (his club, his choice) he at least needs to get someone in as a number 2 with his own voice, not a Garrity style yes man
How many managers play all out attacking football? Portsmouth and Oxford don't, for starters. Or Bolton.

How do you know Garrity is a yes man? And that Calderwood and McCall weren't?

You're just talking in cliches. Things could be better, but they could be worse too, and we are getting better, slowly, in my opinion. Critch is going nowhere so all the negative energy is counter productive and just a waste of energy.
 
How many managers play all out attacking football? Portsmouth and Oxford don't, for starters. Or Bolton.

How do you know Garrity is a yes man? And that Calderwood and McCall weren't?

You're just talking in cliches. Things could be better, but they could be worse too, and we are getting better, slowly, in my opinion. Critch is going nowhere so all the negative energy is counter productive and just a waste of energy.
Things “could “ be better??? One point in 9, 5 in 15, 8th in a piss poor league with fans vowing not to return due to a lack of entertainment at £30 a pop…..you have very low expectations Voyeur 🙄
 
How many managers play all out attacking football? Portsmouth and Oxford don't, for starters. Or Bolton.

How do you know Garrity is a yes man? And that Calderwood and McCall weren't?

You're just talking in cliches. Things could be better, but they could be worse too, and we are getting better, slowly, in my opinion. Critch is going nowhere so all the negative energy is counter productive and just a waste of energy.
Things “could “ be better??? One point in 9, 5 in 15, 8th in a piss poor league with fans vowing not to return due to a lack of entertainment at £30 a popyou have very low expectations Voyeur 🙄
 
Things “could “ be better??? One point in 9, 5 in 15, 8th in a piss poor league with fans vowing not to return due to a lack of entertainment at £30 a popyou have very low expectations Voyeur 🙄
Piss poor league. This is just the language of the pleb, in all honesty. Zero intelligence.
 
Going off socials, more like organised bitching to me. Now Mansford is gone you need a new whipping boy. You ain't very subtle.
What are you on about? I never criticised BM just like I have never criticised SS or Julian Winter. Get your facts right junior before posting rubbish 🙄
 
I don’t really have an agenda.

I hope I’m not deluded, it’s possible…

My belief is that we’ve been shortchanged over the last 5 games in terms of performance vs outcome. probably to the tune of 4-6 points.

‘The Stats’ would seem to back that up…
There is only stat that counts at the end of the day and that is put in simple terms for people on here, how many goals we score as a team and making sure we score more than our opponents (simples). You don't get short-changed in football you create your own chances and yeah a liitle bit of luck helps along the way. So in very simple terms if we have 15 shots on target and don't score and our opponents have one and score we get beat - What would you say with your footballing head on?
 
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