Time to say thank you and let go

Definitely Maxwell he just shows no composure and I'm sure is literally glued on the line like a bar football goalie
 
I don’t understand why so few people rate Garbutt. As a wing back he’s comfortably a competent Championship player. We look so much more balanced with him at LWB and Gabriel at RWB than we do with any other set up.

Maxwell has proven himself to be a decent Championship GK and also offers plenty to the dressing room. With Grimshaw signing a new contract it’s likely Maxwell will be a back up and it’s a great back up to have - especially with Moore as a 3rd choice.

Hamilton needs time to play under Appleton. He sometimes looked a bit lost playing as an inverted winger but he’s definitely worth persevering with. You don’t get international call ups if you’re not a decent player. He’s got all the physical attributes of a top Championship winger. If he can improve his touch and final ball (which may come with playing on his preferred side and with more supportive midfielders i.e not DM’s but ACM) then he could be a real asset - certainly as an option from the bench.
 
And Thorniley - he's done OK but he's not quick enough, gets pulled out of position and is too short for a centre half.
MA must build a solid defence as our foundation - he has plenty of other work to do and he will do it 🍊
 
Worth remembering its 5 subs this season. So having strength in depth and options from the bench is a great thing. So ‘squad players’ are VERY important - especially if subs are used more effectively than under Critchley. Wing Backs, Pacey Wingers and Youth will be handy options
 
Don't know about letting go but Maxwell, Thornily, Virtue and Madine hopefully play a much smaller role this year, ideally as back up to the back up if they haven't been moved on.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
I don’t understand why so few people rate Garbutt. As a wing back he’s comfortably a competent Championship player. We look so much more balanced with him at LWB and Gabriel at RWB than we do with any other set up.

Maxwell has proven himself to be a decent Championship GK and also offers plenty to the dressing room. With Grimshaw signing a new contract it’s likely Maxwell will be a back up and it’s a great back up to have - especially with Moore as a 3rd choice.

Hamilton needs time to play under Appleton. He sometimes looked a bit lost playing as an inverted winger but he’s definitely worth persevering with. You don’t get international call ups if you’re not a decent player. He’s got all the physical attributes of a top Championship winger. If he can improve his touch and final ball (which may come with playing on his preferred side and with more supportive midfielders i.e not DM’s but ACM) then he could be a real asset - certainly as an option from the bench.
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Garbutt needs too much time on the ball for him to be a Championship player.

CJ just hasn't got I'm afraid. Not that quick at Championship level, ineffective on the ball, can't shoot, can't cross, no physical strength on the ball and first touch like a Sunday league player. Perfect at L1 level.
 
These should go (perm or loan) along with a few I feel we can’t give up on yet…..

Maxwell will always be second choice now, so why keep him on such high wages?

Garbutt might be comfortable on the ball, but he’s not too dissimilar to Reece J, neither of them seem to have mud on their shirts post match.

Thorniley I’m not sure about. He’s got a very good cross field pass In him, but above all - he should be able to defend and yes he’s average at that.

Husband can’t pass for toffee but defensively he is brave and always puts 110% into each game, so I’m 50/50 on this

Matty Virtue we can’t possibly know what he’s gonna be like at this level as he hasn’t played much, so another who’s 50/50

Dougall was great at L1, but this level it’s too much. Hardly ever makes a forward pass, and annoyingly always comes deep to collect the ball from Grimmy, but then passes it straight back to him. I cannot understand that, as often there’s no one around him.

CJ - give him till Jan. If fully fit, he can do damage at this level, but he’s a confidence player.

Yates - again give till Jan
 
Tangerine-Not-Clementine said:
These should go (perm or loan) along with a few I feel we can’t give up on yet…..

Maxwell will always be second choice now, so why keep him on such high wages?

Garbutt might be comfortable on the ball, but he’s not too dissimilar to Reece J, neither of them seem to have mud on their shirts post match.

Thorniley I’m not sure about. He’s got a very good cross field pass In him, but above all - he should be able to defend and yes he’s average at that.

Husband can’t pass for toffee but defensively he is brave and always puts 110% into each game, so I’m 50/50 on this

Matty Virtue we can’t possibly know what he’s gonna be like at this level as he hasn’t played much, so another who’s 50/50

Dougall was great at L1, but this level it’s too much. Hardly ever makes a forward pass, and annoyingly always comes deep to collect the ball from Grimmy, but then passes it straight back to him. I cannot understand that, as often there’s no one around him.

CJ - give him till Jan. If fully fit, he can do damage at this level, but he’s a confidence player.

Yates - again give till Jan
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It is going to cost a few bob to replace that lot with better. I am glad I don't own the club.
 
Woodsie1001 said:
Garbutt needs too much time on the ball for him to be a Championship player.

CJ just hasn't got I'm afraid. Not that quick at Championship level, ineffective on the ball, can't shoot, can't cross, no physical strength on the ball and first touch like a Sunday league player. Perfect at L1 level.
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Don’t agree on Garbutt at all. When he played early last season there was no Gabriel or RB whatsoever so it was easy for teams to press him quickly and essentially block off the source of our build up play. He never got a real run of games where he could play to his strengths.

As for your opinion on CJ that’s pub football talk. He’s a full international and even in footballing terms he’s absolutely rapid. That’s a fact. He’s obviously much better than you’re willing to give him credit for and again with Appleton preferring more traditional wingers (which will suit CJ) and more bodies further upfield in attack (will also suit CJ) and with the 5 sub rule coming in to place CJ could be massive for us. Buying that raw pace is nigh on impossible at this level especially with our resources
 
Tangerine-Not-Clementine said:
These should go (perm or loan) along with a few I feel we can’t give up on yet…..

Maxwell will always be second choice now, so why keep him on such high wages?

Garbutt might be comfortable on the ball, but he’s not too dissimilar to Reece J, neither of them seem to have mud on their shirts post match.

Thorniley I’m not sure about. He’s got a very good cross field pass In him, but above all - he should be able to defend and yes he’s average at that.

Husband can’t pass for toffee but defensively he is brave and always puts 110% into each game, so I’m 50/50 on this

Matty Virtue we can’t possibly know what he’s gonna be like at this level as he hasn’t played much, so another who’s 50/50

Dougall was great at L1, but this level it’s too much. Hardly ever makes a forward pass, and annoyingly always comes deep to collect the ball from Grimmy, but then passes it straight back to him. I cannot understand that, as often there’s no one around him.

CJ - give him till Jan. If fully fit, he can do damage at this level, but he’s a confidence player.

Yates - again give till Jan
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'neither seem to have mud on their shirts post match'
This is not the 70s.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Don’t agree on Garbutt at all. When he played early last season there was no Gabriel or RB whatsoever so it was easy for teams to press him quickly and essentially block off the source of our build up play. He never got a real run of games where he could play to his strengths.

As for your opinion on CJ that’s pub football talk. He’s a full international and even in footballing terms he’s absolutely rapid. That’s a fact. He’s obviously much better than you’re willing to give him credit for and again with Appleton preferring more traditional wingers (which will suit CJ) and more bodies further upfield in attack (will also suit CJ) and with the 5 sub rule coming in to place CJ could be massive for us. Buying that raw pace is nigh on impossible at this level especially with our resources
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Ha ha - wow, I cannot believe you think CJ is a player that will assist in taking our club forward this season. As for the international comment that is just embarrassing.....
 
Woodsie1001 said:
Please can we say a massive Thank you to Maxwell, CJ and Garbutt and let them go to a decent League One team. They are not Championship level players.
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Totally agree. We are going down with the squad as it is. I’d add Husband, Stewart, Anderson, Dougall and Lubala to that list too. Fine in L1 but we need better in the Championship if we are to survive.
 
As far GK goes, I think it's about being fair to the players. We're lucky to have two good Ch standard goalkeepers, plus what appears to be a perfectly competent backup in Moore - I think after taking last season as a whole, most see Grimmy as first choice.

If Max is prepared to stay and fight for his place, then credit to him but he may go a whole season without a first team game, when he needs to be playing. And of course, if he is in our top earner bracket, then we can use the spare money better for a regular 1st starter.
 
Woodsie1001 said:
Ha ha - wow, I cannot believe you think CJ is a player that will assist in taking our club forward this season. As for the international comment that is just embarrassing.....
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Why is it embarrassing? Recognised as being good enough for international football by top coaches, scouts and managers. I trust their assessment of a player more than I do a bloke sat at his pc calling a professional athlete out for his Sunday league level first touch…
 
I think Garbutt could do a job as wing back, I like CJ and hope he gets a chance this season. I’d loan Virtue out till January and see how he goes. Maxwell is a decent keeper but he isn’t going to want to be sat on the subs bench so I can see him going.

We need to improve the squad though and 5 or 6 good signings would make a world of difference
 
Two pre season friendlies, 2 goals, the first scored by CJ but people want him out. What about those who didn’t score?
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Why is it embarrassing? Recognised as being good enough for international football by top coaches, scouts and managers. I trust their assessment of a player more than I do a bloke sat at his pc calling a professional athlete out for his Sunday league level first touch…
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ROI can barely name a 21 player squad, their best player by a country mile is the reserve Liverpool goalie. CJ made a 20 min cameo for ROI and fluffed a 1:1 chance to win the game for them.....Next you'll be telling me that Richard Kingson was an amazing goalie coz he got picked for Ghana...

Let's agree to differ on CJ. He had a great season in L1 but is now out of his depth - no harm done!
 
I honestly thought from the subject title that this thread was going to be about Critchley and his statement etc.

Whole squad have proven they are at minimum servicable at this level so dont see the point in selecting individuals when we will all be cheering them on if/when they stay. Its all subject to Appleton's tactics and philosophy anyway so can't rule anybody out.

To progress up the football ladder we should always be looking to strengthen in any area if the deal is right should'nt we?
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Worth remembering its 5 subs this season. So having strength in depth and options from the bench is a great thing. So ‘squad players’ are VERY important - especially if subs are used more effectively than under Critchley. Wing Backs, Pacey Wingers and Youth will be handy options
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Good job Critchley’s gone, he would have a helluva job trying to cram 5 subs in the last 15 minutes.🤣
 
When did Maxwell have a great start to last season? He,s not good enough. Where is Moore? I saw him once last season saving with a worldly against Blackburn.Why is he not getting a chance.?
Matti needs to work on his ball skills. Can’t fault his effort.
Garbutt seems to be Marmite, u like him or hate him.
2 creative midfielders and maybe E Simms and we are sorted.
 
I can’t see any of the players the o/p has mentioned leaving

Garbutt decent
Maxwell decent
CJ last season tore a few defences apart

All more than satisfactory championship players
 
Tangerine-Not-Clementine said:
These should go (perm or loan) along with a few I feel we can’t give up on yet…..

Maxwell will always be second choice now, so why keep him on such high wages?

Garbutt might be comfortable on the ball, but he’s not too dissimilar to Reece J, neither of them seem to have mud on their shirts post match.

Thorniley I’m not sure about. He’s got a very good cross field pass In him, but above all - he should be able to defend and yes he’s average at that.

Husband can’t pass for toffee but defensively he is brave and always puts 110% into each game, so I’m 50/50 on this

Matty Virtue we can’t possibly know what he’s gonna be like at this level as he hasn’t played much, so another who’s 50/50

Dougall was great at L1, but this level it’s too much. Hardly ever makes a forward pass, and annoyingly always comes deep to collect the ball from Grimmy, but then passes it straight back to him. I cannot understand that, as often there’s no one around him.

CJ - give him till Jan. If fully fit, he can do damage at this level, but he’s a confidence player.

Yates - again give till Jan
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Blimey, no nonsense appraisals there 😀 Husband was superb last season in my opinion
 
CJ should be an impact sub to cause some trouble on his natural side with his pace. He is never going to be a starter.

Maxwell hasn’t looked the same since the injury and hasn’t coped with the fierce competition from Grimshaw. He’s probably a keeper that needs to be and feel like number one at a club so Id let go personally and rely on who we have at the club now.

Garbutt is clear championship quality IMO
 
All three could still have a big part to play. If Garbutt can get a tun without injury he will show his worth. CJ could easily still be a superstar and Maxwell our promotion winning captain is great back up And mentor to Grimmy
 
Garbutt still worth keeping and giving a go for me , I don't believe he's signed a new contract since promotion either so is likely not on as much as, say, Maxwell. I'm definitely skeptical and worry about him defensively but eh, he looks the part, would love for his set piece ability to flourish, more james ward nowt than James ward prowse

CJ similarly is likely on a low wage by champ standards and he definitely had some moments last year, sadly those moments were interspersed with hours upon hours of football where he looked totally out of his depth, so I don't know. Would love to be able to loan him out to develop some end product in a more forgiving environment but as it stands I don't think we have that luxury.

Maxi, though he's been a top 3 (gilks, banks, Maxwell) keeper in my lifetime is likely on too much money to sit on the bench all year.
 
Interesting his line of 'squad players' - I think the problem last season was we had a decent squad but we just didn't have a first team and I think that's why Critchley changed the side so often because few of them (bar maybe Ekky) were guaranteed first team starters.
 
PdxTangerine said:
Garbutt still worth keeping and giving a go for me , I don't believe he's signed a new contract since promotion either so is likely not on as much as, say, Maxwell. I'm definitely skeptical and worry about him defensively but eh, he looks the part, would love for his set piece ability to flourish, more james ward nowt than James ward prowse

CJ similarly is likely on a low wage by champ standards and he definitely had some moments last year, sadly those moments were interspersed with hours upon hours of football where he looked totally out of his depth, so I don't know. Would love to be able to loan him out to develop some end product in a more forgiving environment but as it stands I don't think we have that luxury.

Maxi, though he's been a top 3 (gilks, banks, Maxwell) keeper in my lifetime is likely on too much money to sit on the bench all year.
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Hamilton will look better in a 4 3 3, if we get a few better quality players in he might have a good season.
 
Woodsie1001 said:
Please can we say a massive Thank you to Maxwell, CJ and Garbutt and let them go to a decent League One team. They are not Championship level players.
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It's how you define 'Championship level players' - most sides will only have a percentage of players who you would describe as knocking on the door of taking the next step up. We showed last season that with very few additions we survived in this league. More about aptitude, commitment and remaining injury free for me as well as having that bit of quality.
 
Woodsie1001 said:
Please can we say a massive Thank you to Maxwell, CJ and Garbutt and let them go to a decent League One team. They are not Championship level players.
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Your having a laugh aren't you CJ was probably the most improving player of last season . Maxwell would be one of the best reserve goalies in the championship and you may be right about Garbutt , but all our defenders looked shodey against Leeds .
 
Garbett for me is always better in a back 5. Defensively he is not the best and is better going forward. Looks exposed in a flat back four.
 
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