Today was stagnation over improvement

Rektseasider

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It's still very early days for Critch and this squad. That back four will alter and become stronger , giving us more confidence to push and overload going forward. Dougall should come in to allow the midfield to link better with the attack ,in particular being able to get beyond their backline. Woodburn to be given attacking licence, Kaikai to flourish, the squad to develop as they get to know the system and each other.
I can only see positives over the next 2 seasons. Sadly it requires some patience ,which modern day fans seem to lack. I remain positive and upbeat.

I think as a fan base we’re letting ourselves down by seeing today as a step in the right direction.

This isn’t a post calling for Critchleys head as I think there’s still time for him to be a success and I can see a pathway for him to achieve it with the players we’ve recruited and the club firing on all cylinders behind the scenes.

However it is, probably more than anything a highlighter over some very worrying signs for me.

Our set up from the get go at Plymouth and beyond has laid a foundation of possession but with that comes a side effect of impotency, the worrying sign here is that Critch must have seen this and hasn’t seemed to act on it.

Back to today’s match, and despite getting a point I feel really underwhelmed.

We had a fantastic opening 10 to 15 minutes. The passing seemed slick and sharp, finding feet with some lovely pass and move combinations, it wasn’t advancing football but away from home it was a solid and exciting start. I felt that buzz again and began to get excited for the game.

Slowly but surely Crewe regained themselves, Artell identified the problem and doubled up on CJ, we failed to see this and stuck to our guns,and really bar Yates deflected shot they completely nullified us. By half time the feel good feeling had gone with the lack of goal threat.

Now credit where it’s due, defensively we have clearly worked hard on the training pitch and have a far better composure and shape.

I think out of all the points I noticed today the most worrying was the twenty minutes after half time. For me here, Artell out coached Critch. He saw we could be over run in the midfield and were exposed in the full back area, there were 5 or 6 time’s in that period where we lost the ball or were over run in the middle, the ball went straight out wide and we became clumsy in the box, we could have been 3 down by 60 minutes. Fortunately it was only one.

This can happen in a game granted, worryingly Critch changed nothing, sticking to his guns when it clearly needed a tweek.

With the players becoming Increasingly more frustrated I think they took it upon them selves to start launching balls forward, which for what it’s worth brought about our equaliser. So for all the hype and outlay on players the kick and rush tactics for the second part of the second half brought us the most joy. Which is incredibly disappointing considering the new dawn we’ve all bought into.

Critch seemed to not be able to identify tactical shifts through the game, I was over the moon to see CJ and Yates swap wings on around 70 minutes which shows just how ridged we usually are.

Crewe were no great shakes today, and it required some tactical nouse today to over come them which was sadly lacking.

I think this now is going above, the managing director, the recruiting staff or the players and their positions. Somethings missing from Critchley, I’m becoming increasingly concerned. But hope I’m eating my words in a few months.
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At the start of my post I said it’s not a call for his head and there’s time and means for him to be a success here. So I’m not sure how that’s a lack of patience.

We’re all hopeful that the new signings with ignite the team, but my point is, if they’re just going to be plug and play in the same position and shape as the ones we have now not much will change.
 

Cheesed Off

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Only the second time using iFollow today so for the first half I didn't realise I could select the Radio Lancs commentary.

Their commentators were raving about Blackpool. They were talking about the quality we have all over the pitch.

I can't remember exactly what they said so I'll paraphrase: "When they work out how to hit the back of the net Blackpool could go on and dominate this division."

What the hell are you expecting? What an entitled bunch some of you are. We are 6 games in. We are probably not going up this year but I'm going to sit back and enjoy this team become what they can become.
 

voyeur

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At the start of my post I said it’s not a call for his head and there’s time and means for him to be a success here. So I’m not sure how that’s a lack of patience.

We’re all hopeful that the new signings with ignite the team, but my point is, if they’re just going to be plug and play in the same position and shape as the ones we have now not much will change.
Read Kip's post. Nearer to the truth in my opinion. Of course things aren't entirely right. The final third isn't good, but you seem to be making out that it means Critch doesn't know how to change it, and won't. We play 433, not some weird self defeating system that is doomed to failure as you seem to suggest? A combination of the right players, practice and time together will make a difference, I'm sure. Players like Woodburn, Sarkic, Kaikai, Garbutt could all make a significant difference, combined with some tactical tweaking that their abilities will make possible.
 
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Grumpy_no_more

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The team is learning to play under the system that Critchley wants, and the players are making progress. We saw plenty of signs of that today.

Critchley is still learning how to be a manager instead of a just technical coach. He has to learn how to react to what the opposition are doing and adjust his tactics and team composition accordingly. I'm sure he's grappling with this. To give an extreme example of this point, It's no use being a brilliant chess player with the white pieces and not responding to what the black pieces are doing.

I'm optimistic our progress will continue, and we'll be in contention for the play-offs at the end of the season.
 

clappers

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The team is learning to play under the system that Critchley wants, and the players are making progress. We saw plenty of signs of that today.

Critchley is still learning how to be a manager instead of a just technical coach. He has to learn how to react to what the opposition are doing and adjust his tactics and team composition accordingly. I'm sure he's grappling with this. To give an extreme example of this point, It's no use being a brilliant chess player with the white pieces and not responding to what the black pieces are doing.

I'm optimistic our progress will continue, and we'll be in contention for the play-offs at the end of the season.
You can only be a brilliant player with the white pieces if you are anticipating what the black pieces are going to do rather than react to them. That’s what’s gone wrong IMO...no regard for the opposition and just setting up our own way of doing things. All very good if you’ve a team of world beaters but we are recruiting players from league two. It has to be a bit of both.
 

Rektseasider

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Read Kip's post. Nearer to the truth in my opinion. Of course things aren't entirely right. The final third isn't good, but you seem to be making out that it means Critch doesn't know how to change it, and won't. We play 433, not some weird self defeating system that is doomed to failure as you seem to suggest? A combination of the right players, practice and time together will make a difference, I'm sure. Players like Woodburn, Sarkic, Kaikai, Garbutt could all make a significant difference, combined with some tactical tweaking that their abilities will make possible.

I did read it and thought it was way off personally. He didn’t engage with any points I made. Just mentioning a handful of players playing well, which I agree with.

Again as I’ve stated the whole way through the thread, I’m happy to be completely wrong on this, the new players could come in and adapt well kicking us on.

But we’ve already tried a selection of players in a variety of the 433 positions. On the whole they’ve all be ineffective.

In fairness we seem to be progressing defensively so I’m probably slightly wrong there we have made some progress in certain areas.

I agree he’s learning how to manage at this level, and we’re all coming to understand that.
 
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voyeur

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I did read it and thought it was way off personally. He didn’t engage with any points I made. Just mentioning a handful of players playing well, which I agree with.

Again as I’ve stated the whole way through the thread, I’m happy to be completely wrong on this, the new players could come in and adapt well kicking us on.

But we’ve already tried a selection of players in a variety of the 433 positions. On the whole they’ve all be ineffective.

In fairness we seem to be progressing defensively so I’m probably slightly wrong there we have made some progress in certain areas.

I agree he’s learning how to manage at this level, and we’re all coming to understand that.
The signings we've made haven't all instantly thrived in L1. We've lacked in midfield, hopefully Dougall and Woodburn will improve that area. Up front, Yates and Lubala haven't made an impact. I think it's a combination of players not being at the level we need, and getting the system working. There's been talk today of the front wide men needing to get closer to Madine, for example. If the midfield becomes Robson, Dougall and Woodburn, and CJ and Madine hold on to their positions, we need to find the right wide left player. There's a plethora of possibilities! Yates, Kaikai, Anderson, Lubala, Garbutt, Mitchell, Sarkic, Kemp.

Then there is the use of full backs getting forward. A work in progress, and a significant problem so far, I think, as the front three should be staying narrow but the lack of width from the full backs is affecting things a lot. We need them to get forward and get crosses in, the forwards to be in shooting positions much more. But the defence hasn't been stable enough. Gabriel and Garbutt/Mitchell also need to prove they can attack and defend and that's looking like a long term project. It might be the key issue.
 

Rektseasider

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The signings we've made haven't all instantly thrived in L1. We've lacked in midfield, hopefully Dougall and Woodburn will improve that area. Up front, Yates and Lubala haven't made an impact. I think it's a combination of players not being at the level we need, and getting the system working. There's been talk today of the front wide men needing to get closer to Madine, for example. If the midfield becomes Robson, Dougall and Woodburn, and CJ and Madine hold on to their positions, we need to find the right wide left player. There's a plethora of possibilities! Yates, Kaikai, Anderson, Lubala, Garbutt, Mitchell, Sarkic, Kemp.

Then there is the use of full backs getting forward. A work in progress, and a significant problem so far, I think, as the front three should be staying narrow but the lack of width from the full backs is affecting things a lot. We need them to get forward and get crosses in, the forwards to be in shooting positions much more. But the defence hasn't been stable enough. Gabriel and Garbutt/Mitchell also need to prove they can attack and defend and that's looking like a long term project. It might be the key issue.
Yeh a lot to agree with in there Voy.

A big mitigating factor is the turn over in players. That really does have a big impact on it all. Did we need to have such a big turn over? That’s another question for another day but I think some mistakes have been made pre season.

Playing with a narrow front three is something I’ve been advocating for weeks, if that clicks then we could be the team we’re all hoping for. Getting Yates, CJ, Woodburn or Lubala closer to Madine up top could be devastating. Where I’d disagree slightly is pushing the ball out wide doesn’t seem to be working all too well for us at the moment. I’d like to see us get it on the deck between the 18 yard box’s lines and have an advanced midfielder feeding balls in and picking his shots, Woodburn, Anderson or Sarkic would for this bull for me.

Anyway I think I’m going to leave commenting on our form until after the Burton game. The next 5 games up to Wigan all look really inviting games for us if we are really serious this season. 10 points from those 5 and the worlds rosey again and I was probably proven wrong, 3 points from them and I feel that NCs chair might start getting very hot.
 

Macseasider

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I think as a fan base we’re letting ourselves down by seeing today as a step in the right direction.

This isn’t a post calling for Critchleys head as I think there’s still time for him to be a success and I can see a pathway for him to achieve it with the players we’ve recruited and the club firing on all cylinders behind the scenes.

However it is, probably more than anything a highlighter over some very worrying signs for me.

Our set up from the get go at Plymouth and beyond has laid a foundation of possession but with that comes a side effect of impotency, the worrying sign here is that Critch must have seen this and hasn’t seemed to act on it.

Back to today’s match, and despite getting a point I feel really underwhelmed.

We had a fantastic opening 10 to 15 minutes. The passing seemed slick and sharp, finding feet with some lovely pass and move combinations, it wasn’t advancing football but away from home it was a solid and exciting start. I felt that buzz again and began to get excited for the game.

Slowly but surely Crewe regained themselves, Artell identified the problem and doubled up on CJ, we failed to see this and stuck to our guns,and really bar Yates deflected shot they completely nullified us. By half time the feel good feeling had gone with the lack of goal threat.

Now credit where it’s due, defensively we have clearly worked hard on the training pitch and have a far better composure and shape.

I think out of all the points I noticed today the most worrying was the twenty minutes after half time. For me here, Artell out coached Critch. He saw we could be over run in the midfield and were exposed in the full back area, there were 5 or 6 time’s in that period where we lost the ball or were over run in the middle, the ball went straight out wide and we became clumsy in the box, we could have been 3 down by 60 minutes. Fortunately it was only one.

This can happen in a game granted, worryingly Critch changed nothing, sticking to his guns when it clearly needed a tweek.

With the players becoming Increasingly more frustrated I think they took it upon them selves to start launching balls forward, which for what it’s worth brought about our equaliser. So for all the hype and outlay on players the kick and rush tactics for the second part of the second half brought us the most joy. Which is incredibly disappointing considering the new dawn we’ve all bought into.

Critch seemed to not be able to identify tactical shifts through the game, I was over the moon to see CJ and Yates swap wings on around 70 minutes which shows just how ridged we usually are.

Crewe were no great shakes today, and it required some tactical nouse today to over come them which was sadly lacking.

I think this now is going above, the managing director, the recruiting staff or the players and their positions. Somethings missing from Critchley, I’m becoming increasingly concerned. But hope I’m eating my words in a few months.

Absolutely spot on mate.

Really good and well thought out post.

There are SO many posters on here utterly blinded by desperately wanting the team to be amazing that they can't see past the ends of their blinkered noses to see the SAME pattern is played out on the pitch week after week. It's bizarre.

Today was a modicum better. Yes, today we got a point. Great. That is a big positive. But that was a terrible opposition and there is little aspect of the whole performance that we should be creaming over like many of the happy clappers that have tried to run your excellent post down.

In it's current form, this is a bottom 6 team, not a top 6 team. The table is not lying. Factamundo.
 

1950`spoolfan

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In the end it`s about scoring more goals than the opposition.Today in 90 minutes despite dominating possession we only managed a mere 2 yes just TWO shots on target.You`re not going to win many games with stats like that and this is not just a one off it`s been happening all season , lots of midfield possession but precious few chances created or shots on target.If this continues it`s not rocket science to work out we won`t win many games.
 

Memphisboy

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Only the second time using iFollow today so for the first half I didn't realise I could select the Radio Lancs commentary.

Their commentators were raving about Blackpool. They were talking about the quality we have all over the pitch.

I can't remember exactly what they said so I'll paraphrase: "When they work out how to hit the back of the net Blackpool could go on and dominate this division."

What the hell are you expecting? What an entitled bunch some of you are. We are 6 games in. We are probably not going up this year but I'm going to sit back and enjoy this team become what they can become.
When they work out how to hit the back of the net 😂 this time next year Rodney
 

Insider

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Its clearly going to be scoring goals that's a problem. I'd like the messageboard analysts to tell me how Yates scored his goals at Swindon because we don't seem to be putting him in a position to score for us. But we are still improving. If you plug better players in you will hopefully get better output. It's a shame we havent got a Trophy game next week to try them out.
 
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Willie Mcgrotty

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Our set pieces our awful. I was contemplating making a brew during the game yesterday & decided to wait until we got a corner so I wouldn't miss anything 🙄
Does Egpotato shrink by a foot as he's coming forward for a set piece?
 

voyeur

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Absolutely spot on mate.

Really good and well thought out post.

There are SO many posters on here utterly blinded by desperately wanting the team to be amazing that they can't see past the ends of their blinkered noses to see the SAME pattern is played out on the pitch week after week. It's bizarre.

Today was a modicum better. Yes, today we got a point. Great. That is a big positive. But that was a terrible opposition and there is little aspect of the whole performance that we should be creaming over like many of the happy clappers that have tried to run your excellent post down.

In it's current form, this is a bottom 6 team, not a top 6 team. The table is not lying. Factamundo.
Doesn't even deserve a reply that. Objectionable nonsense.
 

Eternaloptimist

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we could have been beaten 3-1 today by that logic and call that an improvement.

we had the playing staff today to beat Crewe but couldn’t find a way to do it.

70% possession in your own half is a shiny facade masking a faulty structure.
"We could have been beaten 3-1 today by that logic and call that an improvement."

But we didn't, and Angel is spot on, we got a draw and it is an improvement.
Heavy defeats by Lincoln and Ipswich and then they go a goal down; imagine what was going through the players minds, especially when they have bossed possession.
The fact they didn't drop their heads and got a draw is credit to them and yes, an improvement.

If we talk "ifs" and "buts" we could have won the match and if we had your post would have been completely different.

Your match analysis is predominantly aimed at NC being tactically inept but a counter argument could be said that he got it spot on. Loads of possession and shots but just lacking the finishing touch, so by anyone's interpretation, an improvement.

You allude to an improvement in defence, but on what evidence?

You cannot compare Crewe to the likes of Ipswich so until we next play a formidable attacking side then we will see if our defence has improved.
 

Curryman

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This is one of the most interesting discussions I've seen on this board for some time, and barring the odd shout of bollocks etc from an occasional poster, deserves to be read by all. The thing that appears to be the main point of agreement is the lack of penetration once near the box, and I have to agree with that sentiment. I like others was wowing at the start of yesterday's game and felt we would eventually overwhelm Crewe with three or more goals, but we were impotent once we arrived at their box ( no sexual innuendos intended) resulting in us squandering many chances of shooting. I feel sure it will come, and patience seems to be one thing that the football dictionary appears to have removed from its vocabulary. Once the Blackpool goal went in it seemed to lift the players, had that happened earlier, I feel that Crewe would have been overwhelmed with our response. Onwards and upwards.
 

Rektseasider

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"We could have been beaten 3-1 today by that logic and call that an improvement."

But we didn't, and Angel is spot on, we got a draw and it is an improvement.
Heavy defeats by Lincoln and Ipswich and then they go a goal down; imagine what was going through the players minds, especially when they have bossed possession.
The fact they didn't drop their heads and got a draw is credit to them and yes, an improvement.

If we talk "ifs" and "buts" we could have won the match and if we had your post would have been completely different.

Your match analysis is predominantly aimed at NC being tactically inept but a counter argument could be said that he got it spot on. Loads of possession and shots but just lacking the finishing touch, so by anyone's interpretation, an improvement.

You allude to an improvement in defence, but on what evidence?

You cannot compare Crewe to the likes of Ipswich so until we next play a formidable attacking side then we will see if our defence has improved.
Talking in “ifs” and “buts” is all anyone is doing, “if the new players click”. “But we’ve just signed 17 players it takes time”.

Granted we got a draw which is a point, which is obviously an improvement on a drubbing. But for the reasons I outlined I don’t see it as a step in the right direction, I think this is largely centred around our expectations at the start of the season. Maybe I was wrong in what I expected, along with a big portion of our fan base

“You allude to an improvement in defence, but on what evidence?”

In the words of John McEnroe you cannot be serious with that one? Not sure if you’ve seen the games from Plymouth on but we’ve had at least 3 Key Stone Cops moments in all the games bar yesterday, where bar one spell in the second half they all looked assured. As you’re so ready to refer to the last few games in reference to my post not being accurate, I’ll do similar. The last two leagues games we’ve lost 2-3 and 1-4 that’s 7 goals shipped. Yesterday we let in one, that one isn’t too hard to spot is it?

Lastly yes I think NC was lacking yesterday, he set us up in the same manner as he’s done in every other game so far, which in its self isn’t a problem. We dominated the first 20 minutes as you could see the players had worked hard in training and were really pumped for the game. I think at key points in the game Artell noticed how to get the better of us and changed accordingly.

Second half, to me, it looked like the players took matters into their own hands and went direct, playing balls directly into Madine or over the top for CJ to chase. It was our most effective period of the game. I personally don’t think this was NC’s instructions. We finished the game strongly, with out looking too dangerous.

I’ll reiterate, I am happy to be very wrong on this and I’ve said I’ll leave it for the next 5 games or so. If we’re flying with 4 or 5 wins I was obviously wrong and I’ll admit that, fingers crossed I am.
 
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Alf

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I think as a fan base we’re letting ourselves down by seeing today as a step in the right direction.

This isn’t a post calling for Critchleys head as I think there’s still time for him to be a success and I can see a pathway for him to achieve it with the players we’ve recruited and the club firing on all cylinders behind the scenes.

However it is, probably more than anything a highlighter over some very worrying signs for me.

Our set up from the get go at Plymouth and beyond has laid a foundation of possession but with that comes a side effect of impotency, the worrying sign here is that Critch must have seen this and hasn’t seemed to act on it.

Back to today’s match, and despite getting a point I feel really underwhelmed.

We had a fantastic opening 10 to 15 minutes. The passing seemed slick and sharp, finding feet with some lovely pass and move combinations, it wasn’t advancing football but away from home it was a solid and exciting start. I felt that buzz again and began to get excited for the game.

Slowly but surely Crewe regained themselves, Artell identified the problem and doubled up on CJ, we failed to see this and stuck to our guns,and really bar Yates deflected shot they completely nullified us. By half time the feel good feeling had gone with the lack of goal threat.

Now credit where it’s due, defensively we have clearly worked hard on the training pitch and have a far better composure and shape.

I think out of all the points I noticed today the most worrying was the twenty minutes after half time. For me here, Artell out coached Critch. He saw we could be over run in the midfield and were exposed in the full back area, there were 5 or 6 time’s in that period where we lost the ball or were over run in the middle, the ball went straight out wide and we became clumsy in the box, we could have been 3 down by 60 minutes. Fortunately it was only one.

This can happen in a game granted, worryingly Critch changed nothing, sticking to his guns when it clearly needed a tweek.

With the players becoming Increasingly more frustrated I think they took it upon them selves to start launching balls forward, which for what it’s worth brought about our equaliser. So for all the hype and outlay on players the kick and rush tactics for the second part of the second half brought us the most joy. Which is incredibly disappointing considering the new dawn we’ve all bought into.

Critch seemed to not be able to identify tactical shifts through the game, I was over the moon to see CJ and Yates swap wings on around 70 minutes which shows just how ridged we usually are.

Crewe were no great shakes today, and it required some tactical nouse today to over come them which was sadly lacking.

I think this now is going above, the managing director, the recruiting staff or the players and their positions. Somethings missing from Critchley, I’m becoming increasingly concerned. But hope I’m eating my words in a few months.

So when Crewe has some good moments, you assume it’s their manager who has had that effect. When we started to come back and try something different, you assume it’s our players taking it upon themselves.

It was the right tactic and the press was far better than before, once you have players like Woodburn and Dougall in the midfield, and hopefully (though obviously I don’t know their quality) Ballard and Gretarsson at the back that 1 goal margin of error that has cost us in most games will be overturned by stronger defence and smarter attack.
 
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