Today was stagnation over improvement

I think you make fair points, maybe this is all far too early, when in reality next season probably should be the acid test.

Again some very valid points in there for me too. On the Subs question I was just firing back a Counter point but I agree with you Critch is probably trying to see as much from what he’s currently got as possible.

which of course means he’ll have to do the same again with the players we’ve not yet seen.

I think the problem is that a lot of us, me included got a bit carried away thinking we’d be up the top competing, as we’d done the business early and Critch had been with the club since March. (I think). We still might be, but it seems like a hard place to start that from now.

My intention wasn’t to be doom and gloom, far from it. Just some things I hadn’t expected to see from NC. That worried me.

Lastly a quick question for both of you, and this isn’t an intentional needle I’m just genuinely interested. Would you both take “ work in progress” up to Christmas, being frustrated around 15th-17th place. With the hope of finishing strongly down the stretch?
Two things - I also got carried away, my thinking was exactly the same now but I thought we would get that stroke of luck more often than not, for no good reason other than giddiness.

Secondly, yeah I would so long as we’re talking 15th-17th and I can see that he is still being consistent with his long term vision and not chopping and changing to save his job and dodge the pressure.

If we’re talking Lee Clark, Neil McDonald, Jose Riga points tallies then no, realistically it could be Guardiola in charge and I’d say better to find somebody who can keep us up and develop their own system next season.

So I guess we will see, but I’m nowhere near panicking or even concerned in all honesty. The general direction to me is just as exciting as it was in pre-season.
 
Two things - I also got carried away, my thinking was exactly the same now but I thought we would get that stroke of luck more often than not, for no good reason other than giddiness.

Secondly, yeah I would so long as we’re talking 15th-17th and I can see that he is still being consistent with his long term vision and not chopping and changing to save his job and dodge the pressure.

If we’re talking Lee Clark, Neil McDonald, Jose Riga points tallies then no, realistically it could be Guardiola in charge and I’d say better to find somebody who can keep us up and develop their own system next season.

So I guess we will see, but I’m nowhere near panicking or even concerned in all honesty. The general direction to me is just as exciting as it was in pre-season.
See I feel like I’ve lost a lot of the excitement from pre season, not sure if that’s the general mood of watching football at the moment or the lack of a cutting edge from us. I think it’s the latter that’s frustrating me more.

Yes I just meant if we’re hovering around the relegation zone at Christmas but we’re playing well I’d tend to agree Critch needs at least 12 months from now to implement his vision. I did advocate the same for Grayson but that did turn into truly turgid football. I can’t see that happening this time round. 👍.
 
How can you not be excited about the potential that this young side, rebuilt completely by a new manager who is enjoying getting the full backing of the owner?

Its still early days in a strange season, which may be a blessing that there is no crowd to get on the players backs whilst things are still working themselves out - but I guess a lack of support FOR them might be playing a part too.

For many years we have had to put up with a lack of investment, sale of anyone half decent, last minute signings etc. And prospects have always been about just surviving/maintaining rather than having ambition.

As fans we aren’t used to having that feeling so you can’t blame people for getting carried away and being disappointed we aren’t top of the pile, but we are in a far better position to start to improve and have some strength in depth for when the hard part of the season kicks in and when games come thick and fast.

At least we have some promise, and I’ll take that above the prospect of more of the same stagnation year on year we suffered for so long.
 
See I feel like I’ve lost a lot of the excitement from pre season, not sure if that’s the general mood of watching football at the moment or the lack of a cutting edge from us. I think it’s the latter that’s frustrating me more.

Yes I just meant if we’re hovering around the relegation zone at Christmas but we’re playing well I’d tend to agree Critch needs at least 12 months from now to implement his vision. I did advocate the same for Grayson but that did turn into truly turgid football. I can’t see that happening this time round. 👍.
Aye I had the same idea with Grayson, but by this point last season I was already starting to change my mind, I didn’t really feel good after most of our wins, total opposite to now really I thought we were getting the luck but not building anything behind it. That contrast plays massively into my optimism.
 
How can you not be excited about the potential that this young side, rebuilt completely by a new manager who is enjoying getting the full backing of the owner?

Its still early days in a strange season, which may be a blessing that there is no crowd to get on the players backs whilst things are still working themselves out - but I guess a lack of support FOR them might be playing a part too.

For many years we have had to put up with a lack of investment, sale of anyone half decent, last minute signings etc. And prospects have always been about just surviving/maintaining rather than having ambition.

As fans we aren’t used to having that feeling so you can’t blame people for getting carried away and being disappointed we aren’t top of the pile, but we are in a far better position to start to improve and have some strength in depth for when the hard part of the season kicks in and when games come thick and fast.

At least we have some promise, and I’ll take that above the prospect of more of the same stagnation year on year we suffered for so long.
Very excited about the Sadler era and the club in general.

Not overly excited about the performances on the pitch yet to date, which is what all of my post are alluding to.
 
Sorry Rekt .. I stopped reading at this point because that was a massive improvement and had just one or two things gone our way that would have been a convincing win following a very convincing defeat .. can't see how that wouldn't be classed as an improvement

I think as a fan base we’re letting ourselves down by seeing today as a step in the right direction.
 
Sorry Rekt .. I stopped reading at this point because that was a massive improvement and had just one or two things gone our way that would have been a convincing win following a very convincing defeat .. can't see how that wouldn't be classed as an improvement
You make an incredibly lazy point.
 
We've picked out five good points and five bad as we look ahead to the Charlton game tomorrow night:

 
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