Tory MP not suspended
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Recidivist3
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Perhaps something about being innocent until proven guilty. Stupid, I know
Seasider1
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Wizaard
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Yet 21 had the whip withdrawn for voting against the Government on an aspect of Brexit. Priorities.
southshorepool
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I'd be suspended from my job pretty quickly with that sort of allegation...regardless of innocent until proven guilty.
I see it's doing the social media rounds with regards to who it is.
I see it's doing the social media rounds with regards to who it is.
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basilrobbie
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I've seen that too. He'll be absolutely no loss to public life if it is him. As well as being living proof that being as thick as pig shit is not necessarily a bar to holding high office.
Old_Laytonian
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Come on tell us who it is.
Francis Urquart would have thrown him to the wolves
Francis Urquart would have thrown him to the wolves
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Plumbs
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Its a good job that none of our local Council leaders or MPs haven't been accused of anything similar.Mind you the EFL would probably allow them past the FPP test given the O's got a free ride,and one or two on here never complained about it at the time.
Funny how some people complain about one thing after rather subjectively not bothering when it affects them-must be something to with the Houses of Parliament and its government offices.
Funny how some people complain about one thing after rather subjectively not bothering when it affects them-must be something to with the Houses of Parliament and its government offices.
Matesrates
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Yes come on, who is it?
Wizaard
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Would have been uproar if Blackburn wasn't suspended and that was with unspecified allegations.
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Plumbs
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I think so but that's probably been pushed by the general consensus around the country. In some respects it might have helped if OO had been convicted more recently,given that convicted sex predators seem to get less tolerance from communities.
Mexboroseasider
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What court? At the moment the MP has been arrested and released on bail.
Unless someone has obtained an injunction of some sort.
clappers
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Yep my mistake. Police bail so no order. Still think anonymity is appropriate at this point where accusations are under investigation by police.
Mexboroseasider
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I tend to agree on the anonymity point. Especially as disclosing the identity would also reveal the identity of the complainant/victim.
Still it’s fun speculating. And I have my suspicions from the names mentioned in the media reports.
Wizaard
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So as i said, Cliff Richard had a TV crew in a helicopter overhead when his house was raided by the police. Does anonymity only apply if you're an MP?
Mexboroseasider
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Yep. Although I think the police and media got pelters over the Cliff Richard reports. After the event.
The flip side is that there are apparently 17 Tory male MPs over 50 who were formerly ministers. That means 16 of them will be feeling a bit cross that people will be wondering about them. When really the person in question should be standing up and denying the allegations.
clappers
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that was bang out of order and I think Cliff got his apologies and some cash from Aunty but plenty were rushing to believe he was one of many. We all need to regain a sense of moderation and appropriateness when dealing with grave accusations. The same applies to the race ‘debates’ If we can call them that which are so prominent these days.
Shandypants
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Is is that angry, vertically challenged, war obsessed, Penfold doppleganger with a middle name Gino and is the chairman of the ultimate shyster clan? Please tell me it is.....
1966_and_all_that
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Yes, I agree with that.
SEASIDE2020
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Why is it he remains unnamed but others in exactly the same position subsequently found innocent, were arrested with an accompanying TV crew? Jimmy Tarbuck and Cliff Richard spring to mind.
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Come on Wiz, what happened to Cliff Richard was a fecking disgrace but surely that doesn't mean that another person should have his life/career damaged on the strength of an allegation.
What happened to Cliff shouldn't have happened to anybody but certainly shouldn't happen to somebody else just because they happen to be a member of a political party that you are not fond of.
Why is it he remains unnamed but others in exactly the same position subsequently found innocent, were arrested with an accompanying TV crew? Jimmy Tarbuck and Cliff Richard spring to mind.
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Come on Wiz, what happened to Cliff Richard was a fecking disgrace but surely that doesn't mean that another person should have his life/career damaged on the strength of an allegation.
What happened to Cliff shouldn't have happened to anybody but certainly shouldn't happen to somebody else just because they happen to be a member of a political party that you are not fond of.
Some would stop at no bounds due to their political hatred and fanaticism.
The irony is - Their behaviour of hatred and fanaticism, iften the very manor of behaviour they bleat about others behaving all the time!
They like to whine about poor and crass behaviour of politicians and posters who don’t share their opinions, and yet quite willing to be as crass when it suits to make a spurious political point, on an obscure Internet forum
Hypocrisy at its very worst.
southshorepool
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Come on Wiz, what happened to Cliff Richard was a fecking disgrace but surely that doesn't mean that another person should have his life/career damaged on the strength of an allegation.
What happened to Cliff shouldn't have happened to anybody but certainly shouldn't happen to somebody else just because they happen to be a member of a political party that you are not fond of.
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I think the argument that some are using is that it's fairly difficult to find a job, certainly in the public sector, where someone accused of rape wouldn't have been suspended whilst investigations continue. Suspension doesn't affect innocent until proven guilty although. I suppose a lot would say ' no smoke without fire'. It's a tricky one but given the shocking stats for conviction etc etc.
southshorepool
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Just because a 54 year old ex minister and current Tory MP with a European sounding name has disappeared from social media and is trending on twitter, it doesn't mean he's the subject of the investigation. There are another dozen that fit the bill.
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basilrobbie
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Interestingly, his is NOT the name I've heard.
bollieboy
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His parody account has stopped tweeting too.
Wizaard
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Come on Wiz, what happened to Cliff Richard was a fecking disgrace but surely that doesn't mean that another person should have his life/career damaged on the strength of an allegation.
What happened to Cliff shouldn't have happened to anybody but certainly shouldn't happen to somebody else just because they happen to be a member of a political party that you are not fond of.
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As SSP said, in any other walk of life, with this type of serious allegation over you, you'd be suspended from work on full pay until the outcome was known. I'm amazed that someone with this hanging over him can turn up and deal with parliamentary business. The Cliff Richard analogy was for example reasons, not because I think it was right to do so.
SEASIDE2020
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As SSP said, in any other walk of life, with this type of serious allegation over you, you'd be suspended from work on full pay until the outcome was known. I'm amazed that someone with this hanging over him can turn up and deal with parliamentary business. The Cliff Richard analogy was for example reasons, not because I think it was right to do so.
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Okey doke Wiz, if we drop political persuasion, I just don't like to see innocent people having their lives/careers ruined on the strength of allegations.
As you state, there are certainly issues allowing people under investigation to continue to work and I appreciate that some just can't be allowed to continue, school teachers, doctors, etc.
I also agree that being under investigation could affect ability to their job properly and that has to be considered but then I go back to the dangers of ruining somebody on the strength of an allegation.
Not a big issue Wiz, I know you know right from wrong, I just think you may just be possibly quicker to call for the suspension of a Tory ?
Wizaard
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Okey doke Wiz, if we drop political persuasion, I just don't like to see innocent people having their lives/careers ruined on the strength of allegations.
As you state, there are certainly issues allowing people under investigation to continue to work and I appreciate that some just can't be allowed to continue, school teachers, doctors, etc.
I also agree that being under investigation could affect ability to their job properly and that has to be considered but then I go back to the dangers of ruining somebody on the strength of an allegation.
Not a big issue Wiz, I know you know right from wrong, I just think you may just be possibly quicker to call for the suspension of a Tory ?
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I can see why you might think that, but I'd expect anyone facing that kind of allegation to be suspended, regardless of political persuasion. As an MP, he might have to meet constituents who have been assaulted etc. Doesn't sit right.
Recidivist3
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two questions following from the above
- is an M.P. ‘employed’ by his political party
- doesn’t suspending the whip means kicking someone out of the party, not ‘suspending’ them
bollieboy
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Yep - have been there with a guy who used to work for me who had been arrested on a serious charge. Not an easy situation as the reason for his suspension leaked out and I had a few staff who then refused to work with him if he ever came back. He pleaded guilty in court and was dismissed shortly afterwards so that issue never arose.
Wizaard
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No, he's a representative of the local community. They can change parties without another vote.
You're not kicked out, but you're not bound by or subject to party discipline
Giro
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Robbie,
Would it by chance be a massive brexiteer and a side kick of Rees Mogg? There's a certain irony he hates Europe given his surname. Allegedly, of Course.
Bottle
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That parody account is quite simply the funniest thing on Twitter, it's superb, n'est-ce pas?
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basilrobbie
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Giro, the name I have been given is NOT his. I've been told that it is an ex-Cabinet Minister. The internet, eh?
Bottle
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Have you got your finger up the nose of the Nations pulse by any chance?
Giro
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Robbie,
This for once, Isn’t internet based. My source is normally spot on with his info. Having said that, you’re more likely to be privy to the goings on in the inner sanctum, so should be interesting to see the outcome, if it ever gets to court? By all accounts the amount they’re trying to sweep under the carpet is leaving a considerable mound.
I thought my choice has been in the cabinet? He’s definitely been in the shadow cabinet