Train Strikes

Anyone lucky enough to have a pension linked to the CPI should perhaps think twice before criticising those having to cope with spiralling costs, along with the knackered infrastructure that ensures things don't function properly and getting to and from work is pure misery more often that not. Seriously, what's it coming to when a part of Sheffield is cut off from water, heat and power for five days and it only just makes the national headlines? When a nurse has to visit food banks to feed their family? It's only early December and already it's looking bleak for many. Maybe they should just go and get a better paid job? Or, maybe seeing as it's now the season of joy and goodwill, just do as Scrooge suggested and “If they would rather die, they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.”
Minus 4 and still no gas and water for suburbs of Sheffield for 8 days and counting. Can you imagine that situation continuing in a suburb of London and it not being updated on the national news?

The local news says the water main that burst into the gas main was made of concrete and asbestos. What does that say about the state of the infrastructure and the investment by the privatised water companies.

London centric doesn't come close.
 
Planned strikes by:

Rail workers
Nurses
Royal Mail
Teachers in Scotland (England subject to Ballot)
University Staff
Airport Baggage Handlers
Driving Examiners

Possibly added to by:

Border Force
Paramedics
Junior Doctors
London bus drivers
Time the pensioners joined that queue.
 
My family worked very hard for their pension so they should get a bonus out of the government.
Pensions are an earned entitlement and not a benefit, and rises in line with inflation; and no issue at all with that, but in the current financial crisis, should they really be getting over and above that when everyone else is getting way below inflation?
 
Minus 4 and still no gas and water for suburbs of Sheffield for 8 days and counting. Can you imagine that situation continuing in a suburb of London and it not being updated on the national news?

The local news says the water main that burst into the gas main was made of concrete and asbestos. What does that say about the state of the infrastructure and the investment by the privatised water companies.

London centric doesn't come close.
Absolutely frigging unbelievable. People will die because these outfits are so focused on paying dividends they don't have the wherewithall to do their job. Meantime we take the brakes off the bankers. You couldn't make it up.
 
Pensions are an earned entitlement and not a benefit, and rises in line with inflation; and no issue at all with that, but in the current financial crisis, should they really be getting over and above that when everyone else is getting way below inflation?
Yes because when times were hard they had to tighten their belts and go without and I obviously witnessed it.
 
Think you can add in 99.9% of the private sector too who have suffered real time pay cuts in the past decade.

I can’t think of any company I know offering their workers 10%+ pay rises.
Other issue for private sector sme companies is that they’re not unionised so have no voice at all and no recourse barring changing job to a unionised sector
 
There are pensioners who have hardly worked during their life and have received benefits all through their life, and now do the same.

There are pensioners who have worked hard during their lives but have not had the benefit of a private pension, who now receive benefits.

There are pensioners who have worked hard during their lives, have had the benefit of a private pension who don't receive any other benefits (annual cold weather benefit per household excluded).

There are pensioners who have had high powered jobs in all industries who have the benefit of wealth in savings and private pensions.

As a pensioner myself in the third category who has to be careful, I can understand how those in the first two categories require help. 3% of next to nothing last April and 10% of not much more this April is not a lot.
 
Yes because when times were hard they had to tighten their belts and go without and I obviously witnessed it.
Yeah the mend and make do generation, if you wanted anything you saved up borrowing money was the last resort ,today’s generation are buy now pay later racking up bigger monthly repayments ,the only winners are the banks.
 
Think you can add in 99.9% of the private sector too who have suffered real time pay cuts in the past decade.

I can’t think of any company I know offering their workers 10%+ pay rises.
Other issue for private sector sme companies is that they’re not unionised so have no voice at all and no recourse barring changing job to a unionised sector
I’m going through a career change at the moment and the private sector jobs are significantly better paid. I’d love to work in the public sector but I can’t justify it.

It was always my experience in my former career too. The public sector seems to rely on contractors and consultancies because they’re not willing to pay decent permanent salaries. They’ll keep losing people to the private sector and those people will still end up working on government contracts that cost the government far more.

It’s a bit of a mess and we need these people to make a stand in my opinion, it could benefit of us all in the long term.
 
Think you can add in 99.9% of the private sector too who have suffered real time pay cuts in the past decade.

I can’t think of any company I know offering their workers 10%+ pay rises.
Other issue for private sector sme companies is that they’re not unionised so have no voice at all and no recourse barring changing job to a unionised sector
The private sector have averaged 4.6% rises this year, the public sector 2.2%, for balance.
 
The private sector have averaged 4.6% rises this year, the public sector 2.2%, for balance.
Interesting stat there Wiz.

I still genuinely don’t know of anyone either receiving or giving anything other than real time pay cuts though?

Everyone is getting poorer for sure, and if you’re under 50 the mortgage element of expensive housing costs is absolutely killing people. Knock on effect for those renting too.
 
Interesting stat there Wiz.

I still genuinely don’t know of anyone either receiving or giving anything other than real time pay cuts though?

Everyone is getting poorer for sure, and if you’re under 50 the mortgage element of expensive housing costs is absolutely killing people. Knock on effect for those renting too.
Absolutely.
 
There are pensioners who have hardly worked during their life and have received benefits all through their life, and now do the same.

There are pensioners who have worked hard during their lives but have not had the benefit of a private pension, who now receive benefits.

There are pensioners who have worked hard during their lives, have had the benefit of a private pension who don't receive any other benefits (annual cold weather benefit per household excluded).

There are pensioners who have had high powered jobs in all industries who have the benefit of wealth in savings and private pensions.

As a pensioner myself in the third category who has to be careful, I can understand how those in the first two categories require help. 3% of next to nothing last April and 10% of not much more this April is not a lot.
Agreed. As for reading Wiz's comments no doubt when he becomes eligible for a winter fuel allowance he will be either returning it or giving it to charity. Or probably in reality not....
 
Always support anyone's right to strike but anyone else feel uncomfortable with the latest dates announced. I already know two people who have had their Xmas plans ruined by this.
Agree completely.
Unfortunately the Union bosses know that this will have the most effect with the Govt.
Although I was a Branch Secretary in Unison, Bedford, I can't agree with this action.
 
You are quite happy it seems plunging pensioners into poverty by ending the Triple Lock. Now get out of that one you can’t can you ?😜🤣
I presume you're OK with pensioners getting a 2% rise in line with those paying those pensions? 😁
 
I presume you're OK with pensioners getting a 2% rise in line with those paying those pensions?
Well that’s a bit odd. I don’t recall you calling him a hypocrite when he was supporting Brexit
2 per cent too low make it 8 per cent but some want 19 per cent apparently. Leave the pensioners alone when you are old enough to get your state pension- must be soon eh Wiz?- then you will no doubt be disappoint with the amount.As for Lynch never heard of him till recently and tbh if his ugly mug comes on tv I switch over. Shame he hasn’t got a comb over he could then be an ersatz Scargill.😜
 
It's about time the Govt got real with these well off pensioners who want it all. I bet a good majority are getting more than a modern day worker. There 45 years of work have helped cause the problems we are in today. Hit them hard.
 
Why? Inflation proof rises and winter fuel bonuses, they're better off than most.

As mainly Tory voters its no surprise they get the sweeteners.
Well I’m a pensioner and have never voted Tory in my life and never will.
I’d sooner be poorer and working for a living, so don’t wish your life away as it’s not much fun being old!
 
The private sector have averaged 4.6% rises this year, the public sector 2.2%, for balance.
Interesting what % rises MP’s have received since the Tories came to power in 2010 compared to Public employees?
I seem to think they have received around 26% compared to 12% but may well be wrong.
26% of a good salary compared to 12% of a miserly salary for most makes a huge difference
 
2 per cent too low make it 8 per cent but some want 19 per cent apparently. Leave the pensioners alone when you are old enough to get your state pension- must be soon eh Wiz?- then you will no doubt be disappoint with the amount.As for Lynch never heard of him till recently and tbh if his ugly mug comes on tv I switch over. Shame he hasn’t got a comb over he could then be an ersatz Scargill.😜
No one expects 19%. What has been said is that most public sector workers are 26% down on inflation in the time this lot have been in power. We also know any rise will be nowhere near that.

We've had the 2% imposed, with no negotiation, a cut in pensions and potential redundancies to sort out a financial mess caused by this lot.

No wonder there's industrial unrest.
 
Pensions are an earned entitlement and not a benefit, and rises in line with inflation; and no issue at all with that, but in the current financial crisis, should they really be getting over and above that when everyone else is getting way below inflation?
The politics of envy between ordinary people is the main weapon in the armoury of divide and rule.
 
The politics of envy between ordinary people is the main weapon in the armoury of divide and rule.
The Irish have a saying for it.

“Tuppence h’apenny looking down on tuppence”.

Also coined in the ditty (to the tune of the Red Flag):

“The working class
can kiss my arse.
I’ve got the foreman’s
job at last”

(Note the letter r inserted in the word “last” so it rhymes with the word “arse”).
 
Stupid move, doesn’t affect me, but it will upset a lot of people. There will be an impact on the roads as well. They’ll lose public support, but it seems to me they’re intent on having a war with the government.

Yes, the Government deserve a bit of grief but the man in the street will pay.
 
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