Training ground location

Isn’t the bit circled off staining road just after the camp site ?
 
Scaramanga said:
Isn’t the bit circled off staining road just after the camp site ?
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Yes why? Part of it is within Blackpool boundary.

But even if we spot a space big enough it doesn't mean its available, its not flat so would need more work etc.
 
JJpool said:
Eh? I don't see 100,000 Square meters of available land round there...
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Maybe there is, maybe there isn't but there is certainly enough to build a facility and a lot of it is brownfield/park in a poor state.
There are lots of negatives to Poolfoot - parking for one - so I don't know why it is being held up as the gold standard. Bigger just for the sake of it wouldn't automatically make ours better.
 
I'm wondering if this plan mitigates the training ground plan in some way.

In that if they are building this in the heart of the community, it allows them to think further afield as there may not be the requirement for the training ground to be as accessible if there's this facility next to bloomfield road?

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www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk

Plans submitted for football pitches on land next to Blackpool FC

Detailed plans have been unveiled for new football pitches on land just north of Blackpool Football Club’s Bloomfield Road stadium.
www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk
 
rockontommy said:
Maybe there is, maybe there isn't but there is certainly enough to build a facility and a lot of it is brownfield/park in a poor state.
There are lots of negatives to Poolfoot - parking for one - so I don't know why it is being held up as the gold standard. Bigger just for the sake of it wouldn't automatically make ours better.
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There doesn't seem enough room and it was an example of our nearest neighbours one.
I'd say 70,000 Square meters minimum is needed which is the size of lawsons field for context.

Youd have to wipe out moor park which we cant have local spaces like that taken away any further, plus whatever business have to move and where do they go.
 
Some figures I did with Google Earth a few years back.

All in square meters.

Squires Gate: 26,570m2

Local Clubs Training Grounds
Fleetwood : 125,266 (some is Thornton FC and community use)

Blackburn Rovers : 61,738

PNE(formally Boltons, then Wigans) : 35,187

Brighton : 148,000

Brentford : 92,300

Bristol City : 160,500

Reading : 93,001


And some land in Blackpool

Fisher Field : 19,374

Arnold School Field (by St. Annes Rd) 23,000

Lawsons Field (main square bit) : 69,910
Lawsons Field (between Alotments and Rosefinch estate) : 78,000

Stanley Park Golf Course (area within SP) : 166,856
Stanley Park Golf Course (Hospital Side) : 191,743

The old school site on Bispham Rd : 31,375

Sports field on Fleetwood Rd where Blackpool CC (3rd and 4th team) and Blackpool Archery club use : 18,826

Land South of Newton Hall Holiday Park : 221,000 (Half of this is in Fylde)
 
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GTFsTwinBrother said:
I was always of the understanding that the middle of squires gate lane was the boundary between blackpool and St Anne's... making it actually st Anne's air port and presumably the training ground as well.
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Well on Google the boundary is indeed on squire's gate late meaning the flats etc opposite lee raj area technically should be stannes. You would never claim to be in stannes there so all very silly.

I believe the new road layout at Morrisons had to involve a different council and probably the new nandos and Starbucks too.

Ita more than boundary towards the m55 and Whitehills where its interesting and there's scope for expansion. Otherwise they'll never be any real space within Blackpool again.
 
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Somebody mentioned the Wyndyke Farm land where Oyston wants to build that big new development., thats all Fylde land although the access road is in Blackpool.
 
I think its an environmental issue now, in that if Blackpool isn't given any boundary expansion it will only build over any small remaining green space it has.

That can't be good, so I propose fylde council is forced to get off their high horse and release land to Blackpool council.
 
SeasiderRuss said:
Some figures I did with Google Earth a few years back.

All in square meters.

Squires Gate: 26,570m2

Local Clubs Training Grounds
Fleetwood : 125,266 (some is Thornton FC and community use)

Blackburn Rovers : 61,738

PNE(formally Boltons, then Wigans) : 35,187

Brighton : 148,000

Brentford : 92,300

Bristol City : 160,500

Reading : 93,001


And some land in Blackpool

Fisher Field : 19,374

Arnold School Field (by St. Annes Rd) 23,000

Lawsons Field (main square bit) : 69,910
Lawsons Field (between Alotments and Rosefinch estate) : 78,000

Stanley Park Golf Course (area within SP) : 166,856
Stanley Park Golf Course (Hospital Side) : 191,743

The old school site on Bispham Rd : 31,375

Sports field on Fleetwood Rd where Blackpool CC (3rd and 4th team) and Blackpool Archery club use : 18,826

Land South of Newton Hall Holiday Park : 221,000 (Half of this is in Fylde)
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Russ maybe add the land on Garstang rd west that my old School St Toms/All Saints used to be on….
 
JJpool said:
Yeah would only be approx 70, 000 square meters as mentioned Fleetwood is probably well over 100,000.

Also the area is very close to the Marton mere conservation area.
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That would have been my guess. Bottom left, 3rd photo. The site is easily big enough, but a) local dog walkers might not be happy: b) folk who like to grow their own produce.
Then there’s the cost to be agreed.

Might get it through if it becomes a site of community interest. Good for building links to the football club. And a successful football club is brilliant for the town income.

Personally I’d prefer to have it a bit further out - e.g Marton Moss area etc.
 
My opinion would be to develop the Lawson's Road area+the allotment area+old show ground area. For expansion and community use you could also go across East Park Drive into Stanley Park and develop the cricket/football pitches close to the model village and Stanley Park Oval to create a Sports village as the Leisure Centre and 5 a side pitches are already there. Dog owners will be up in arms but you could also include a fenced off doggie park.
 
Seainsea said:
My opinion would be to develop the Lawson's Road area+the allotment area+old show ground area. For expansion and community use you could also go across East Park Drive into Stanley Park and develop the cricket/football pitches close to the model village and Stanley Park Oval to create a Sports village as the Leisure Centre and 5 a side pitches are already there. Dog owners will be up in arms but you could also include a fenced off doggie park.
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So the only real options that are big enough, never mind available and suitable land.....are lawsons area, the herons reach area near staining, Common edge and maybe some area near the new post office? Also off school Road area is space although again, technically outside Blackpool even though any address round there still in FY4 is still called Blackpool 🤷 but not from the council's point of view?

Is Common edge overlooked here? Its got space and they mentioned building pitches there would this community asset not go there, its not central or in the heart but with little options....
 
JJpool said:
So the only real options that are big enough, never mind available and suitable land.....are lawsons area, the herons reach area near staining, Common edge and maybe some area near the new post office? Also off school Road area is space although again, technically outside Blackpool even though any address round there still in FY4 is still called Blackpool 🤷 but not from the council's point of view?

Is Common edge overlooked here? Its got space and they mentioned building pitches there would this community asset not go there, its not central or in the heart but with little options....
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Kingscote park ?
 
Insider said:
I grew up on Newton Drive and the house I lived in, when it was built in the 1930s, was the last house in Blackpool. The boundary did get extended by a couple of hundred metres to where it is now. UTMP
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So this is what your referring to?

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So even now on maps it shows the boundary as being right through an area of houses. But when you click the map the addresses beyond that are still Blackpool and doesn't turn to Poulton until end of normoss road. So maybe the boundary is already extended but not shown as in the picture?
 
SeasiderRuss said:
Somebody mentioned the Wyndyke Farm land where Oyston wants to build that big new development., thats all Fylde land although the access road is in Blackpool.
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See pub planning put in for there.. apparently 1st thing of the development?

21/0447 | Erection of a part two, part single-storey public house with associated access works, parking facilities and landscaping (Reserved Matters application to agree scale, layout, appearance and landscaping - outline planning pe

idoxpa.blackpool.gov.uk idoxpa.blackpool.gov.uk
 
AllezBlackpool said:
There are lots of nice maps on here:

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Thanks, interesting, i have only skimmed through and is more about pinching a bit of the green belt for the Blackpool enterprise zone, which rules out common edge at least for the training ground

Now, if they expanded the boundary in fy3 and fy4 there is significant space there. That the councils only option if thwy have any where to expand meaningfully.
 
JJpool said:
So this is what your referring to?

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So even now on maps it shows the boundary as being right through an area of houses. But when you click the map the addresses beyond that are still Blackpool and doesn't turn to Poulton until end of normoss road. So maybe the boundary is already extended but not shown as in the picture?
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I can't pick out the detail. My Mum & Dad's house was directly opposite the entrance to what is now the road into Heron's Reach. The boundary change probably happened 70 years ago!!
 
JJpool said:
Yes why? Part of it is within Blackpool boundary.

But even if we spot a space big enough it doesn't mean its available, its not flat so would need more work etc.
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Thought wiz posts said it was Lawsons Rd, maybe wrong.
 
Insider said:
I can't pick out the detail. My Mum & Dad's house was directly opposite the entrance to what is now the road into Heron's Reach. The boundary change probably happened 70 years ago!!
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You mean herons way the road? As thats where it still is now the boundary, but as said the houses beyond still show as Blackpool addresses, but maybe they are fylde council or something but just use Blackpool addresses.....
 
Willie Mcgrotty said:
I previously did an OP on that TKL. Similar to Stoke or Wakefield, both 'cities' made up of 5 towns.
Surely a high population of both Wyre & Fylde feel more of an allegiance to Blackpool than Preston town hall. A population of around 350k would certain give the City of Fylde more clout.
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No one in the Fylde feels any allegiance to Preston until you get past the pit at Motorlands (on the way to Warton), the accent changes there as well weirdly.

Warton and Freck are kind of 50/50 and a bit weird anyway, I never used to class them as Fylde.
 
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coppiceman said:
What happened to the idea of doing something at the Revoe? Was that all just talk?
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fcblackpool said:
Still on, but unrelated.
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Isn't that the sceme I posted earlier.

www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk

Plans submitted for football pitches on land next to Blackpool FC

Detailed plans have been unveiled for new football pitches on land just north of Blackpool Football Club’s Bloomfield Road stadium.
www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk

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Also if they do this revoe project would it lessen the need for the training ground to be so central meaning they could cast their net further afield or not as much space needed maybe? As they would already be contributing to the community at revoe.
 
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As above if they did do that also the aprox 60,000 square meters of land near lawsons (or bigger with allotment purchasing) may become much more viable....

But I'm sure there's bad flooding in that area.....
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
No one in the Fylde feels any allegiance to Preston until you get past the pit at Motorlands (on the way to Warton), the accent changes there as well weirdly.

Warton and Freck are kind of 50/50 and a bit weird anyway, I never used to class them as Fylde.
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This is true.

I'd still like to see an expanded Blackpool boundary if not least as Blackpool council has virtually ran out of space and will have to build on the ever diminishing green areas of Blackpool.

Its something that needs seriously looking at imo.

For eg a huge haulage company want to come to the town but there is no space for them apart from near Whitehills which is outside the boundary. It would be great news still and still benefit the town, still even be a blackpool address, but if its fylde council the taxes go to them to spend largely across PR postcodes rather than in Blackpool where its so needed.

Just doesn't seem right to me.

I dont know if there's some sort of agreement with Whitehills area for eg as its b and q Blackpool, youd think Blackpool should benefit fully from that as the town is drawing the business in and for fylde to take the money there again seems wrong imo.

We even have some mad situations like 'world of water aquatic centre blackpool' and its address is Preston New Rd, Westby, Blackpool PR4 3PE.....

Obviously its so close to Blackpool it's called Blackpool but with a PR postcode. 😲
 
The quality Space and cost is more important, Squires Gate is in fylde Fleetwood's in Thornton. My thought would be Chapel lane to whalley lane on the moss handy for yeadon way and M55
 
Ormerod89 said:
Anyone else annoyed the picture of the ground has no NE and SE corners 🤣
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The plans for these pitches / community trust facilities are very much part of a long term plan by the CT and go back 10+ years. Those original mock ups were quite possibly put together before there was a South East stand.
 
Lewis_Winthorpe said:
I think that's been bought up for housing?
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Not quite, the council still own the land and are trying to get permission to sell it to a builder to build houses there however Sport England have objected as they want it to be a sport based use to replace the old school. A training ground would be a good fit there I reckon.
 
Poolfoot is the only thing that fleetwood still have the upper hand on over Blackpool - to have a similar facility would be brilliant.

One thing I was thinking was to buy out the PlayFootball (Vida) site - use the existing 5 a side pitches as poolfoot do and buy the site of the big field next to it to use as the training ground. Buy the house land behind the playfootball building and extend the building for a reception & bar area, again like poolfoot
 
Raging_Bull said:
Not quite, the council still own the land and are trying to get permission to sell it to a builder to build houses there however Sport England have objected as they want it to be a sport based use to replace the old school. A training ground would be a good fit there I reckon.
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The bit directly behind the squirrel is only maybe 30 000 square meters, too small, unless they include the bit to the left of it that the houses are going on, or were planned to.
 
Seasideforever said:
Does easy access for players coming from out of town come into it ? From squires gate your pretty much straight on M55 !!!
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I wouldn't have thought so, more a bonus, but anywhere its built is looking kielly to be on the outskirts and outside the blackpool area anyway given the green space limitations...
 
Forget Lawson Road. BTW it’s Lawson not Lawson’s Road.
The land was given to Blackpool Council by Mr William Lawson on the proviso it could not be built on. Ok, there were prefabs on there but were only temporary following the war.
 
MartonBornandBred said:
Forget Lawson Road. BTW it’s Lawson not Lawson’s Road.
The land was given to Blackpool Council by Mr William Lawson on the proviso it could not be built on. Ok, there were prefabs on there but were only temporary following the war.
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Yes but go on maps and the actual field is lawson's field 🙃
 
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