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voyeur

voyeur

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Everyone needs to absorb this bit of Sadler's statement in my opinion, and stop banging on about Yates and Bowler money, because it's how it is in reality. ...

"Player trading and reinvesting a majority of the income from player sales back into the playing squad is a vital part of our strategy and combined with my personal investment helps us to pay meaningful transfer fees, source high-quality loan players and most importantly support a significantly higher wage bill than when we were last in this division."

You can argue we've frittered money on recruiting the wrong coaches and players in some cases but that is just what happens at football clubs and minimising poor recruitment is surely the aim going forwards. A fair bit of money has gone on non productive recruits like Lubala, Nuttall, Appleton, McCarthy, Teddy Howe!

We've had some very good loan players and we have players on good contracts and wages that all soak up funds.

The single biggest problem has been head coach recruitment, in my opinion, but Critch did really well first time and hopefully will again. Money is a factor here too. The likes of Rosenior, McKenna, Wilder etc expect a lot more than we pay. So we risk losing anyone who succeeds for us just as we do with players, and did with Critch.

I suspect he values what he has here more now having experienced the shitty end of the Premier League stick. And he probably has enough stashed away in the Cheshire BS and ISAs to get him through to his enhanced pension.
 
Completely agree, this isn’t FIFA career mode where every penny from a transfer is immediately put into a “permanent transfer fund”.

Just because we aren’t splashing out funds on every transfer doesn’t mean that money isn’t being reinvested, especially when you consider that we don’t receive fees for players in lump sums.
 
Agreed. We don’t spend £1-2m on fees (or maybe we did with Joseph?). But our transfers genuinely excite me when they happen.

They’re a lot more strategic and impressive than they were under the Oystons.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So had we not sold Bowler, Yates, and Critchley never left (compo money) is Sadler trying to say here we would be in the financial mire by now?
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No , he is trying to explain to the doubters that money received for these players has not been wasted but put with his investment I to I proving the squad. Don't think it is helpful to look on the black side every time.
 
20togo said:
Of course but 7 mill plus the Yates, Bowler and Critchley money plus his own investment makes for a decent sum. And is it a conundrum? After all, we all want to be competing at that level don't we? Otherwise what's the point.
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Yes we do but in the Championship its not a lot of money. That's all Im saying. Can we really compete? Maybe. But difficult.
 
voyeur said:
Yes we do but in the Championship its not a lot of money. That's all Im saying. Can we really compete? Maybe. But difficult.
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not with the top end of clubs who have parachute money, but with the right manager and right players it's well within our capabilities. As we and many other clubs have proven.
 
Bottom line I'm happy to have Simon in charge. Of course there are things I'd like him to do differently.
The big thing for me is the lack of COMMUNICATION.
Just communicate to us regularly please you are, in your own words our Custodian, ie the person who has taken responsibility for looking after OUR  Club.
If it is ours and not yours then communicate to us regularly about our Club and don't let all this angst build up into a once a year mega statement.
PS
Stop reading this messageboard and social media immediately. Just PM me your mobile and I'll tell you all you need to know. 😉
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Put this on the wrong thread so moved it to the Simon's statement thread.
 
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20togo said:
not with the top end of clubs who have parachute money, but with the right manager and right players it's well within our capabilities. As we and many other clubs have proven.
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It's getting harder though. Only Rotherham averaging under 15k at home this season and a lot of the clubs have other money too. A lot of money in many cases. Much higher wage bills. The gaps between Prem and Champ and Champ and L1 keep widening.
 
20togo said:
not with the top end of clubs who have parachute money, but with the right manager and right players it's well within our capabilities. As we and many other clubs have proven.
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We didn't have the right manager x 2. No point keep banging on about it. We all know it was a shit show. SS said we need to move forward. Little more hope after an improved performance Saturday. I'm having an easily pleased moment 😊
 
voyeur said:
It's getting harder though. Only Rotherham averaging under 15k at home this season and a lot of the clubs have other money too. A lot of money in many cases. Much higher wage bills. The gaps between Prem and Champ and Champ and L1 keep widening.
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Luton went up last season on a budget that was similar to us so it shows it can be done. With the premier league 150 million it doesn't matter that their average in the prem will be less than ours in league 1. The same with Bournemouth though they've gone about it in a totally different way to Luton.
 
onlyonepool said:
Luton went up last season on a budget that was similar to us so it shows it can be done. With the premier league 150 million it doesn't matter that their average in the prem will be less than ours in league 1. The same with Bournemouth though they've gone about it in a totally different way to Luton.
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Luton yes, remarkable achievement. Bournemouth have big money behind them.
 
voyeur said:
Everyone needs to absorb this bit of Sadler's statement in my opinion, and stop banging on about Yates and Bowler money, because it's how it is in reality. ...

"Player trading and reinvesting a majority of the income from player sales back into the playing squad is a vital part of our strategy and combined with my personal investment helps us to pay meaningful transfer fees, source high-quality loan players and most importantly support a significantly higher wage bill than when we were last in this division."

You can argue we've frittered money on recruiting the wrong coaches and players in some cases but that is just what happens at football clubs and minimising poor recruitment is surely the aim going forwards. A fair bit of money has gone on non productive recruits like Lubala, Nuttall, Appleton, McCarthy, Teddy Howe!

We've had some very good loan players and we have players on good contracts and wages that all soak up funds.

The single biggest problem has been head coach recruitment, in my opinion, but Critch did really well first time and hopefully will again. Money is a factor here too. The likes of Rosenior, McKenna, Wilder etc expect a lot more than we pay. So we risk losing anyone who succeeds for us just as we do with players, and did with Critch.

I suspect he values what he has here more now having experienced the shitty end of the Premier League stick. And he probably has enough stashed away in the Cheshire BS and ISAs to get him through to his enhanced pension.
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Yes, the weakness has been in head coach recruitment. We got it right once and it paid dividends, hence the understandable return of Critchley. Hopefully we've resolved that problem for many years to come.

As long as Critchley does well its not a problem.
 
voyeur said:
It's getting harder though. Only Rotherham averaging under 15k at home this season and a lot of the clubs have other money too. A lot of money in many cases. Much higher wage bills. The gaps between Prem and Champ and Champ and L1 keep widening.
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We've got loads of empty seats in M Block. Overpriced? We've got half of the East standing empty. If we carry on playing like we did on Saturday and keep on winning, these seats need filling.
 
20togo said:
just think, if we'd stayed up, then there would have been another 7 mill in the kitty. That would have gone a long way.
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When SS did the Q&A session toward the end of last season I’m sure he said that relegation would cost the club between 5 & 7 £million (or GBP if you prefer🧐) and that they had a budget prepared for either outcome including whatever was needed to invest from his own money.
Either way, he’s doing his very best (in my opinion) although communication should have/ could have been so much better.
 
Yeh better comms would help us understand the finances otherwise we just make educated/non-educated guesses. I’ll take that all that at face value but recruitment still needs to be done better, especially if there is no intention to seek further outside investment. I wonder if that’s crossed his mind? Is he too protective? Or is there no one interested in investing? Burnley got JJ Watt involved though there is the 🇺🇸 connection there with the owners. Wonder what JJ thought of the three fingered Clampetts? Must have thought he was in the Bayous.
 
Even if we keep hold of the Yates’, Bowlers and Anderson’s of this world - we may well get an extra season or two in the Chanpionship but we’re never going to bridge that crazy financial divide until we can buy and sell for a profit consistently whilst also developing our own. If we’d have kept Bowler or Yates they would have only ended up leaving on a free to a club wiling to double or triple their wages. We’ve got to sell our assets when we can and keep replenishing the stock of saleable assets. It’s the only sensible and feasible option for a club of our size. You can’t bargain on a miracle like we previously and now Luton are enjoying.
 
Seasider3610 said:
Do you think League 1 is Sadlers level then?
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I think its a level where our budget is comfortable. In the Championship we need to over perform. I've no idea how he feels about that but we've done it before and Luton smashed it. Additional investment would help in the Championship if Sadler is interested in doing that. Again I've no idea if he is.
 
Colmanballs said:
When SS did the Q&A session toward the end of last season I’m sure he said that relegation would cost the club between 5 & 7 £million (or GBP if you prefer🧐) and that they had a budget prepared for either outcome including whatever was needed to invest from his own money.
Either way, he’s doing his very best (in my opinion) although communication should have/ could have been so much better.
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don't dispute he's doing his best but as he's said himself he's got the ambition to want to see us higher than L1. Don't mistake what I'm saying as being criticism of our owner.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Even if we keep hold of the Yates’, Bowlers and Anderson’s of this world - we may well get an extra season or two in the Chanpionship but we’re never going to bridge that crazy financial divide until we can buy and sell for a profit consistently whilst also developing our own. If we’d have kept Bowler or Yates they would have only ended up leaving on a free to a club wiling to double or triple their wages. We’ve got to sell our assets when we can and keep replenishing the stock of saleable assets. It’s the only sensible and feasible option for a club of our size. You can’t bargain on a miracle like we previously and now Luton are enjoying.
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There's an awful lot of miracles happened then because over half of the 92 clubs have been in the PL. You seem to set your sights very low if you think the best we can do is an extra season or two in the Championship. Another one whose comfort zone is L1.
 
20togo said:
There's an awful lot of miracles happened then because over half of the 92 clubs have been in the PL. You seem to set your sights very low if you think the best we can do is an extra season or two in the Championship. Another one whose comfort zone is L1.
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But the finances have radically altered in the last few years. It's getting much harder. Surely.
 
20togo said:
There's an awful lot of miracles happened then because over half of the 92 clubs have been in the PL. You seem to set your sights very low if you think the best we can do is an extra season or two in the Championship. Another one whose comfort zone is L1.
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A club of our size not selling our better players in a gamble to make the Prem in the space of a 2/3 year contract is needing a miracle.

Of the 50 or so clubs that have played Premier League football there’s maybe 1/2 that would have been considered as ‘small’ as we were at the time of the achievement.
Luton, Oldham and maybe Swindon. Oldham and Swindon did it at a time when the gulf between the Prem and then Division 1 was about as big as the difference between a Champions League and Europa League place now.

It’s more likely a club with 10x our budget ends up in League 1 than a club with our budget reaches the Prem. Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United, Notts Forest, Leeds, Sunderland, Nowich, Ipswich, Southampton etc.
 
voyeur said:
But the finances have radically altered in the last few years. It's getting much harder. Surely.
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yes, but teams are still doing it. And remember in all this when Sadler bought the club he stated his ambition was to get to the Championship. It wasn't to go down again. Sadler has that ambition and we as fans should. I think it very possible and reasonable that we should be able to hold our own in the Championship.
 
20togo said:
don't dispute he's doing his best but as he's said himself he's got the ambition to want to see us higher than L1. Don't mistake what I'm saying as being criticism of our owner.
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Yes, I agree with you. Your post brought to mind how complex budgeting is and how very different plans need to be depending on which league we are in. I didn't mean to suggest you were being critical of SS.

20togo said:
don't dispute he's doing his best but as he's said himself he's got the ambition to want to see us higher than L1. Don't mistake what I'm saying as being criticism of our owner
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LA1 Seasider said:
A club of our size not selling our better players in a gamble to make the Prem in the space of a 2/3 year contract is needing a miracle.

Of the 50 or so clubs that have played Premier League football there’s maybe 1/2 that would have been considered as ‘small’ as we were at the time of the achievement.
Luton, Oldham and maybe Swindon. Oldham and Swindon did it at a time when the gulf between the Prem and then Division 1 was about as big as the difference between a Champions League and Europa League place now.

It’s more likely a club with 10x our budget ends up in League 1 than a club with our budget reaches the Prem. Sheffield Wednesday, Sheffield United, Notts Forest, Leeds, Sunderland, Nowich, Ipswich, Southampton etc.
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All I see in that is a negative mindset. Of course the Prem is hard to achieve but let's concentrate on getting back to the Championship. There's plenty of teams in the Championship and even teams who have been in the PL who aren't /weren't considered big clubs who are/were no bigger than us but have built up their fanbase.. As I said to Voyeur, Sadler has ambition and we as fans should have it to. I just sense you are happy with the tag little old Blackpool and L1 is your comfort zone. Maybe that's because it's all you've ever known for us apart from about four or five seasons.
 
20togo said:
yes, but teams are still doing it. And remember in all this when Sadler bought the club he stated his ambition was to get to the Championship. It wasn't to go down again. Sadler has that ambition and we as fans should. I think it very possible and reasonable that we should be able to hold our own in the Championship.
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We got relegated because of poor tactical decisions leaving us wide open, conceding far too many goals.

The season before we'd stayed up comfortably, and with the right set up on and off the field, there's no reason why we shouldn't consolidate and then push on.

That's not a miracle, it's maximising what you have.
 
Our level as I see it is, mid table championship with a push for the playoffs every few seasons. With the potential to make the premier league if we have a great season.
 
20togo said:
yes, but teams are still doing it. And remember in all this when Sadler bought the club he stated his ambition was to get to the Championship. It wasn't to go down again. Sadler has that ambition and we as fans should. I think it very possible and reasonable that we should be able to hold our own in the Championship.
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Luton have been very successful and Rotherham are hanging in there. That's about it now, I think.

But we have shown recently we can do it, when we get the decisions right, and I'm sure we can get back there and give it a good shot. We are not too different from PKE and Rovers. Preston overspend and Rovers produce good players.
 
Wizaard said:
We got relegated because of poor tactical decisions leaving us wide open, conceding far too many goals.

The season before we'd stayed up comfortably, and with the right set up on and off the field, there's no reason why we shouldn't consolidate and then push on.

That's not a miracle, it's maximising what you have.
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exactly. Fed up reading all this miracle nonsense.
 
voyeur said:
Luton have been very successful and Rotherham are hanging in there. That's about it now, I think.

But we have shown recently we can do it, when we get the decisions right, and I'm sure we can get back there and give it a good shot. We are not too different from PKE and Rovers. Preston overspend and Rovers produce good players.
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yep and there's plenty of other teams like that too, even Burnley who are riding on the crest of a wave because they got things right.
 
I think the ambition of every football fan is for their Club to win every game. Success generates income and the higher up the football pyramid you move the more money you generate but then as has been said the more it costs.
I don't think anybody genuinely thought that Sadler wasn't putting all the money generated by the "business" back into the Club.
Of course the mistakes he's admitted to have been costly and he has to learn from them.
We are now a "top 6" League 1 Club from a financial perspective so this has to be converted to a top 6 league table place.
Promotion is the aim and we then have to make sure we have the edge with our on-field decisions to generate enough income to keep us competitive in the Championship.
A big part of that is finding the next Yates/Bowler and it would help if we can find those players at 16yrs old and develop them ourselves which will include, when they are ready, giving them first team opportunities.
The better the Academy becomes the more likely that will be so we need to get on with that Training Ground as well.
 
Insider said:
I think the ambition of every football fan is for their Club to win every game. Success generates income and the higher up the football pyramid you move the more money you generate but then as has been said the more it costs.
I don't think anybody genuinely thought that Sadler wasn't putting all the money generated by the "business" back into the Club.
Of course the mistakes he's admitted to have been costly and he has to learn from them.
We are now a "top 6" League 1 Club from a financial perspective so this has to be converted to a top 6 league table place.
Promotion is the aim and we then have to make sure we have the edge with our on-field decisions to generate enough income to keep us competitive in the Championship.
A big part of that is finding the next Yates/Bowler and it would help if we can find those players at 16yrs old and develop them ourselves which will include, when they are ready, giving them first team opportunities.
The better the Academy becomes the more likely that will be so we need to get on with that Training Ground as well.
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Yep great post with maybe perhaps a little dig at Critchley for not really giving any of our own youngsters a chance.
 
Wizaard said:
Yes, the weakness has been in head coach recruitment. We got it right once and it paid dividends, hence the understandable return of Critchley. Hopefully we've resolved that problem for many years to come.

As long as Critchley does well its not a problem.
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The mystery with Appleton being appointed is that his track record was one of abject mediocrity, it's the most ridiculous hiring in the club's history and Sadler has to take the blame.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
The mystery with Appleton being appointed is that his track record was one of abject mediocrity, it's the most ridiculous hiring in the club's history and Sadler has to take the blame.
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The obsession with going back in the managerial selections has been a huge part of the problem. Returning managers bring baggage with them. It hasn’t helped owner fan relations one bit when accompanied by Sadlers “I know best because the dossier says so” approach to fan liaison.
 
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