Trump Again.....

It's a competition between him and Boris Johnson for the worst leader in a crisis. They keep managing to outdo each other in crapness.
 
I’m no fan of Trump but that reporter was looking for a racist angle that wasn’t there. It was obvious what he meant by “Ask China”.
He does enough idiotic things without reporters having to make things up, if anything it gives him ammunition to cover his genuine cock-ups.
 
He is such a petulant snowflake bless him, it was a very reasonable question that he could have given a good answer to (i.e. comprehensive testing is the key to reducing the deaths).
The answer he actually gave 'Ask China' is completely nonsensical as the question was about Americans dying. And that is perhaps why some think there is a racial angle in this answer.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
He is such a petulant snowflake bless him, it was a very reasonable question that he could have given a good answer to (i.e. comprehensive testing is the key to reducing the deaths).
The answer he actually gave 'Ask China' is completely nonsensical as the question was about Americans dying. And that is perhaps why some think there is a racial angle in this answer.
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Agree with you, but the racist angle she was fishing for was that the answer was a personal attack on her, for being Asian, not a racist slur against China.
 
The question was " why does he treat this like a competition?"

Trump uses classic diversion with China red herring and when pressed says they are nasty and walks off

This is the president of the USA

Btw he will get another 4 years
 
Johnno said:
Agree with you, but the racist angle she was fishing for was that the answer was a personal attack on her, for being Asian, not a racist slur against China.
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How do you know she was fishing? It was a perfectly fair question for her to ask. He was the one who implied a racist angle, with his nonsensical answer. His behaviour, not for the first time, made him seem like a grotesque version of Vicki Pollard.
 
Jefflynnessongsheet said:
She was goading him to an argument. Accept the answer and move on. Go take your hurt feelings to a therapist. As for the second woman who didn’t get to ask her question, he gave her the chance she dithered and he moved on. That’s how he is, deal with it.
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Hold up, since when does a decent journalist 'accept the answer and move on'?

That's not how a democracy works, you accept nothing and keep asking questions, these are all fairly fundamental building blocks of a free press.
 
Well we could have a politically right speak President who know doubt would have blathered on about whatever for 35 mins in middle management terminology. Trump is certainly very different indeed possibly barking mad but entertainment wise he is priceless. Still think he might make fundamental changes to America that none of his bureaucratic 'political career' predecessors made during their office. Time will tell. Agree with Scaramanga the press are putrid.
 
Tangerinenick said:
Well we could have a politically right speak President who know doubt would have blathered on about whatever for 35 mins in middle management terminology. Trump is certainly very different indeed possibly barking mad but entertainment wise he is priceless. Still think he might make fundamental changes to America that none of his bureaucratic 'political career' predecessors made during their office. Time will tell. Agree with Scaramanga the press are putrid.
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He was elected on a promise of jobs for the mid West states, Hillary being put in jail and a wall to keep out rapists from Mexico, that Mexico was going to pay for.

Three and a half years in and he's done none of those things and has recently presided over the highest death toll in the world from a fake flu that was going to be sorted by Easter. Compared to 'political career' politicians he's been an absolute disaster and an international embarrassment.
 
Scaramanga said:
If you need to ask that question you have not been paying attention. i presume you are piers Morgan fan then.
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Scaramanga said:
If you need to ask that question you have not been paying attention. i presume you are piers Morgan fan then.
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What the actual fuck are you wittering about?

It's a simple question.

From what I can see the press are no worse than under previous administrations but Trump lacks the mental dexterity to get himself out of his self dug holes so screams fake news or storms off like a toddler.

His other tactic is deflection back on the question asker, which is what you just did.
 
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basilrobbie said:
How do you know she was fishing? It was a perfectly fair question for her to ask. He was the one who implied a racist angle, with his nonsensical answer. His behaviour, not for the first time, made him seem like a grotesque version of Vicki Pollard.
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She was fishing because she asked “ why did you specifically say that to me?” (or words to that effect - can’t be bothered to watch it again).
He said it specifically to her because she asked the question.
Not saying that what he said was right or sensible, just that imo she was twisting what he said.
 
Trump lesson #1: How to lose control over an entire press briefing responding to simple questions
Trump lesson #2: How not to end a press conference when you are trying to maintain dignity, respect and uphold the respect for the office you represent.
Trump lesson #3: How not to ensure tomorrows reactions in national news reflect upon you that you are capable of holding the highest office in the land.
Trump lesson#4: How not to ensure you're global audience doesn't titter at you like the great tit you are

What a tit! 😂
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
What the actual fuck are you wittering about?

It's a simple question.

From what I can see the press are no worse than under previous administrations but Trump lacks the mental dexterity to get himself out of his self dug holes so screams fake news or storms off like a toddler.

His other tactic is deflection back on the question asker, which is what you just did.
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you ok ? Off on a bit of a mad rant there Lytham.
 
Johnno said:
I’m no fan of Trump but that reporter was looking for a racist angle that wasn’t there. It was obvious what he meant by “Ask China”.
He does enough idiotic things without reporters having to make things up, if anything it gives him ammunition to cover his genuine cock-ups.
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Agreed, reporters and the msm playing to the Trumpbaiters just turns him from being the clown to being the victim.

It also endorces Trump's claim that the msm are against him.

Why do they think they have to do it? He digs himself into enough holes, why bother!!
 
To any of sound mind there are people in this world who are demonstrable idiots on both sides of the political spectrum. People who are so extreme,so extremely ignorant and intolerant as well as usually being biased beyond rational thought.

Trump who compounds all the above with gross stupidity is clearly one and our very own Cat in St Albans on the other side of the fence is clearly another.

It is hard enough to understand how a sufficient number of voters in America were persuaded that Trump was the man to lead the most powerful country in the world and the leader of the democratic West in 2016 which is worrying enough but if they back him again in November God help us all and especially the USA.

I suppose the only consolation is that over here at least, Corbyn has demonstrated that people with the ideas that he and Cat share are totally unelectable.Let us hope for this country`s sake that Boris can learn and move on from his very uncertain start.As a non Labour voter I am pretty impressed with Starmer thus far.
 
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To any of sound mind there are people in this world who are demonstrable idiots on both sides of the political spectrum. People who are so extreme,so extremely ignorant and usually biased beyond rational thought.

Trump who compounds all the above with gross stupidity is clearly one and our very own Cat in St Albans on the other side of the fence is clearly another.

It is hard enough to understand how a sufficient number of voters in America were persuaded that Trump was the man to lead the most powerful country in the world and the leader of the democratic West in 2016 which is worrying enough but if they back him again in November God help us all and especially the USA.

I suppose the only consolation is that over here at least, Corbyn has demonstrated that people with the ideas that he and Cat share are totally unelectable.Let us hope for this country`s sake that Boris can learn and move on from his very uncertain start.As a non Labour voter I am pretty impressed with Starmer thus far.
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Yeah but Trump has the ability to goad the likes of Cat and Co into equaly gross stupidity and OTT claims, coated with a glaze of sanctimonious twaddle.

For those who can stand back and enjoy the cabaret, it's a hilarious spectacle 😁.
 
Are the Americans with no health insurance but needing to be hospitalised with coronavirus being treated for Chung flu...? And if they survive are they given a bill...? 😷
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
Yeah but Trump has the ability to goad the likes of Cat and Co into equaly gross stupidity and OTT claims, coated with a glaze of sanctimonious twaddle.

For those who can stand back and enjoy the cabaret, it's a hilarious spectacle 😁.
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I just think that the damage Trump can do to this planet let alone the West rather diminishes my ability to laugh.
 
Trump went for the presidency for the mega lols and attention. To defeat him, you need to ignore him. It's one thing he can't abide. The American left miss the point when everything is about 'stop trump!' - no, have your own ideas FFS, stop relying on not being trump and set out your own plan - Clinton was garbage, she had nothing to say.

See also the UK Labour party surfing on a wave of 'but at least we're not the Tories' for about 20 years till they crashed on the beach marked 'Corbyn'
 
td53 said:
Trump went for the presidency for the mega lols and attention. To defeat him, you need to ignore him. It's one thing he can't abide. The American left miss the point when everything is about 'stop trump!' - no, have your own ideas FFS, stop relying on not being trump and set out your own plan - Clinton was garbage, she had nothing to say.

See also the UK Labour party surfing on a wave of 'but at least we're not the Tories' for about 20 years till they crashed on the beach marked 'Corbyn'
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The American Left have already worked out to stop Trumpbaiting 24/7, because it dilutes the effect and annoys/bores the electorate.

The msm know it's top notch clickbait. Kerchung!
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
Yeah but Trump has the ability to goad the likes of Cat and Co into equaly gross stupidity and OTT claims, coated with a glaze of sanctimonious twaddle.

For those who can stand back and enjoy the cabaret, it's a hilarious spectacle 😁.
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I agree that the left has fallen into a trap and it's own outrage fuels ridicule and undermines its actual purpose.

The left needs to be FOR things but it's more comfortable being AGAINST things.

I think one of the most profound statements I've read was 'when the left lost economic relevance in the late 70s, instead of seeking a new relevance in this sphere to win the argument with new ideas, it retreated to the comfort of the protest movement, where it could enjoy being part of the debate and feel influential'

That could be seen to be an attack on the left, but it was quoted to me (and possibly authored by) a mate who is in the IWCA (international working class association)

I thought it was very good
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
The American Left have already worked out to stop Trumpbaiting 24/7, because it dilutes the effect and annoys/bores the electorate.

The msm know it's top notch clickbait. Kerchung!
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Well, it took them a while and the liberal intelligencia across the globe haven't cottoned on yet judging by twitter's trends
 
td53 said:
I agree that the left has fallen into a trap and it's own outrage fuels ridicule and undermines its actual purpose.

The left needs to be FOR things but it's more comfortable being AGAINST things.

I think one of the most profound statements I've read was 'when the left lost economic relevance in the late 70s, instead of seeking a new relevance in this sphere to win the argument with new ideas, it retreated to the comfort of the protest movement, where it could enjoy being part of the debate and feel influential'

That could be seen to be an attack on the left, but it was quoted to me (and possibly authored by) a mate who is in the IWCA (international working class association)

I thought it was very good
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The left wing press have fallen into that trap, I don't think the broad left has.

OK, you get the likes of Nancy Pelosi, who's equally repulsive and attention seeking, but I don't think she's representative of the left thinking American.
 
Trump offends taste. He offends our idea of 'good and talented people leading us' - he's president, but with no filter or awareness of how he looks. He seems in some weird way, genuine, in his strops and mistakes.

So when he bombs something, he comes on telly and goes 'woah, I dropped a MASSIVE bomb, I mean MASSIVE. IT WENT BOOM!!!' - some people think - yeah, that's what I'd be like!

Obama or whoever would have gone 'today, American troops blah, blah, blah, blah...'

Essentially trump undermines the illusion of democracy by not playing his part on camera as we'd like him to, so we can all feel that democracy is working and the world is a good place with good people in charge. He doesn't bother to do that act (and it is an act - anyone who has led anything knows that)

He's also a man without morals who plays to the racist gallery if he thinks it plays well but for the most part, he just alarms the world by forgetting to do a 'presidential' act. The reframing of George W Bush as 'a lovely homespun guy who wasn't so bad after all' says it all about how Trump most of all offends ideas of politeness (which explains on part his appeal).

People literally just forgot that Dubya sold Iraq to his mates cos he could because he's polite and got all misty eyed about him as he's not rude.
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
The left wing press have fallen into that trap, I don't think the broad left has.

OK, you get the likes of Nancy Pelosi, who's equally repulsive and attention seeking, but I don't think she's representative of the left thinking American.
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I think the left has fallen into identity politics with little or no thought.

I wasn't seeking to characterise the American left per se, I think it's global tbh. I read Paul Mason's book which is brilliant on the problem of the global economy bit utterly unconvincing on solutions.

I also think probably the best political book I've ever read is Capitalist Realism which essentially explains that capitalism has become like a stalinist idea - it's a dogma that reinforces it's own message constantly and the key problem is not that we aren't all Marxists, it's that we haven't thought of new ideas and are still citing 19thc concepts in opposition to 21st century capital and all its machinery. Like in Stalinism, the message of the dominant ideology is so powerful, we can barely conceive of an alternative.

It's like now. It's like normal/not normal is the only thing we can conceive. Not 'different'

I'd like to see the lad Shaw get a run out pre season mind.
 
td53 said:
Trump offends taste. He offends our idea of 'good and talented people leading us' - he's president, but with no filter or awareness of how he looks. He seems in some weird way, genuine, in his strops and mistakes.

So when he bombs something, he comes on telly and goes 'woah, I dropped a MASSIVE bomb, I mean MASSIVE. IT WENT BOOM!!!' - some people think - yeah, that's what I'd be like!

Obama or whoever would have gone 'today, American troops blah, blah, blah, blah...'

Essentially trump undermines the illusion of democracy by not playing his part on camera as we'd like him to, so we can all feel that democracy is working and the world is a good place with good people in charge. He doesn't bother to do that act (and it is an act - anyone who has led anything knows that)

He's also a man without morals who plays to the racist gallery if he thinks it plays well but for the most part, he just alarms the world by forgetting to do a 'presidential' act. The reframing of George W Bush as 'a lovely homespun guy who wasn't so bad after all' says it all about how Trump most of all offends ideas of politeness (which explains on part his appeal).

People literally just forgot that Dubya sold Iraq to his mates cos he could because he's polite and got all misty eyed about him as he's not rude.
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Obama dropped more bombs than Trump.
Obama was also not a very effective commander.

Doesn't mean to say Trump is, but let's not pretend any recent US president had been a FD Roosevelt.
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
Obama dropped more bombs than Trump.
Obama was also not a very effective commander.

Doesn't mean to say Trump is, but let's not pretend any recent US president had been a FD Roosevelt.
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That's exactly what I'm saying. Obama said the right things, played the figure that let us think 'he's a good guy' - in some respects he was more capable than trump and certainly appeared more moral but when you look at it purely on actions and not on soundbites then actually, you see something different.

I think trump is abhorrent in some of the things he does and says that fuel division in America. That doesn't and shouldn't let every previous president get away with literal murder or mean that they were great.

Nor does it mean that just opposing him is an adequate strategy to beat him and nor does deifying previous leaders cut it as they created the conditions by which trump came to power.

Point is probably - trump is grotesque but so is the society that is usually masked by the political nuances he doesn't bother with. He's a reality TV president and he knows it.

If there wasn't a vacuum created by the left being increasingly concerned by middle class agendas then it wouldn't have seen (in both the UK and the US) two insanely privaliged (three if you include Farage) men walk in and take its heartland.

The left gave up on that heartland a LONG time ago, it's just taken till now to manifest quite as plainly in the ballot box. I know 'leftists' who actually sneer at 'the working class' not knowing what is good for them. I liked a lot of Corbyns ideas, I found the cult around him actually physically disturbing in its tone deaf self certainty. I don't think he especially orchestrated it and it goes back before him, but labour has become the party of university students and the concerned. Clinton was the candidate of the liberal American. Neither could convince 'working class' heartlands that they had much to say.

That Boris and Trump were able to convince isn't simply 'the fault of the right wing press' - it's the fault of everyone who isn't on their side for not noticing that the very economic group that the left are supposed to be for (i.e, representing and empowering) are not being represented and haven't been for sometime. In fact, the labour party stopped bothering to even pretend to talk to them for years so complacent had it become and happy to see inequality grow and load up on PFI debt and so on. A few years of an unconvincing man flogging some quite good but ultimately slightly incoherent ideas was never going to fix that, neither was 'first we had a black man, now it's a woman! Go Hilary!' it's simply not enough, especially when, however disingenuous, their reasons, the opposition is offering a vision of change that is simple and speaks exactly to the discontent. 'open the factories' 'leave europe' - 'you want that? I'll do it!'

I don't quite now how I got here or what exactly I could do to right it. It's easy to analyse from the outside. That must be how Starmer feels right now tbf.

Please can we close the politics forum. This isn't a good use of my life.

Ta.
 
td53 said:
That's exactly what I'm saying. Obama said the right things, played the figure that let us think 'he's a good guy' - in some respects he was more capable than trump and certainly appeared more moral but when you look at it purely on actions and not on soundbites then actually, you see something different.

I think trump is abhorrent in some of the things he does and says that fuel division in America. That doesn't and shouldn't let every previous president get away with literal murder or mean that they were great.

Nor does it mean that just opposing him is an adequate strategy to beat him and nor does deifying previous leaders cut it as they created the conditions by which trump came to power.

Point is probably - trump is grotesque but so is the society that is usually masked by the political nuances he doesn't bother with. He's a reality TV president and he knows it.

If there wasn't a vacuum created by the left being increasingly concerned by middle class agendas then it wouldn't have seen (in both the UK and the US) two insanely privaliged (three if you include Farage) men walk in and take its heartland.

The left gave up on that heartland a LONG time ago, it's just taken till now to manifest quite as plainly in the ballot box. I know 'leftists' who actually sneer at 'the working class' not knowing what is good for them. I liked a lot of Corbyns ideas, I found the cult around him actually physically disturbing in its tone deaf self certainty. I don't think he especially orchestrated it and it goes back before him, but labour has become the party of university students and the concerned. Clinton was the candidate of the liberal American. Neither could convince 'working class' heartlands that they had much to say.

That Boris and Trump were able to convince isn't simply 'the fault of the right wing press' - it's the fault of everyone who isn't on their side for not noticing that the very economic group that the left are supposed to be for (i.e, representing and empowering) are not being represented and haven't been for sometime. In fact, the labour party stopped bothering to even pretend to talk to them for years so complacent had it become and happy to see inequality grow and load up on PFI debt and so on. A few years of an unconvincing man flogging some quite good but ultimately slightly incoherent ideas was never going to fix that, neither was 'first we had a black man, now it's a woman! Go Hilary!' it's simply not enough, especially when, however disingenuous, their reasons, the opposition is offering a vision of change that is simple and speaks exactly to the discontent. 'open the factories' 'leave europe' - 'you want that? I'll do it!'

I don't quite now how I got here or what exactly I could do to right it. It's easy to analyse from the outside. That must be how Starmer feels right now tbf.

Please can we close the politics forum. This isn't a good use of my life.

Ta.
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Well you got that of your chest! 😁

I'd simplify the quandary...

I don't want to like my leader, I want to like what they deliver to all of their stakeholders.

I don't care how media savvy they are.

The left's concentration on personalailties and presentation is pure theatre, much to my amusement 😁, because it plays right into the hands of the 'free press' (left wing Capitalists 🤡z motivated by money).
 
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td53 said:
Trump offends taste. He offends our idea of 'good and talented people leading us' - he's president, but with no filter or awareness of how he looks. He seems in some weird way, genuine, in his strops and mistakes.

So when he bombs something, he comes on telly and goes 'woah, I dropped a MASSIVE bomb, I mean MASSIVE. IT WENT BOOM!!!' - some people think - yeah, that's what I'd be like!

Obama or whoever would have gone 'today, American troops blah, blah, blah, blah...'

Essentially trump undermines the illusion of democracy by not playing his part on camera as we'd like him to, so we can all feel that democracy is working and the world is a good place with good people in charge. He doesn't bother to do that act (and it is an act - anyone who has led anything knows that)

He's also a man without morals who plays to the racist gallery if he thinks it plays well but for the most part, he just alarms the world by forgetting to do a 'presidential' act. The reframing of George W Bush as 'a lovely homespun guy who wasn't so bad after all' says it all about how Trump most of all offends ideas of politeness (which explains on part his appeal).

People literally just forgot that Dubya sold Iraq to his mates cos he could because he's polite and got all misty eyed about him as he's not rude.
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At least Dubya could hold a press conference. It's sort of the bare minimum required of a leader.

Most world leaders are just negotiators, finders of common ground to get their policies through, Trump can't even negotiate a few questions.
 
We get posters on here complaining about vitriol, hate-filled rants etc. But Trump seems to be composed of pure poison. Dim as well. I have never come across the like.
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
Yeah but Trump has the ability to goad the likes of Cat and Co into equaly gross stupidity and OTT claims, coated with a glaze of sanctimonious twaddle.

For those who can stand back and enjoy the cabaret, it's a hilarious spectacle 😁.
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Are you saying that Trump is saying what he's saying to get a reaction?

For what it's worth, he simply doesn't have the faculties to do that.
 
Wizaard said:
Are you saying that Trump is saying what he's saying to get a reaction?

For what it's worth, he simply doesn't have the faculties to do that.
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Oh Yes he does, he dangles the bait and always always gets a bite, sometimes with an empty hook! 😁
 
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