Turton

Goforgoal said:
I am actually pining for criticism. My wife is away for a few days and I am beginning to think either I’ve gone deaf or I’m doing something right.😂😂
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Same here. Strange isn’t it. You can do what you want, when you want. Watch what you like onTV. Eat what you want. When she rings just assure her everything is fine, and all is well.

She’s back later today so best get my bottom into gear I suppose. Now here did I put that list of jobs she left me? 😧
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
I'm not gonna get into it with you. I'm 99% sure you're the same Kurt on Twitter trying to argue with anyone that will listen to you about Turton tonight. From what I've seen, you are allowed an opinion but no one else is. I dont deal with trolls which is all you have been all day to the point you've had other fans muting or blocking you. Not a good look.
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Okay but I asked for you to give me an example of someone abusing Turton? You haven't done it? I haven't been trolling anyone at all. I also haven't abused anyone. Grow the fuck up.
 
Kyle Seasider said:
As the post above said, you are obviously the Kurt off Twitter that has been baiting people into arguments all day. So I'm not going to get into it with you. You are entitled to your opinion but please respect that others are entitled to there's. It's all subjective anyway.
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No, I haven't. Someone replied to me and I replied back. I haven't baited or argued with anyone on Twitter. I simply stand my ground that Turton isn't good enough.
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
I'm not gonna get into it with you. I'm 99% sure you're the same Kurt on Twitter trying to argue with anyone that will listen to you about Turton tonight. From what I've seen, you are allowed an opinion but no one else is. I dont deal with trolls which is all you have been all day to the point you've had other fans muting or blocking you. Not a good look.
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And by the way, of course you aren't going to get into it. Because using the words abuse and not being able to back them up isn't a good look.
 
Turton is by no means a bad player, i just wouldn't pick him in my starting 11. I don't believe he is the best player in the squad in any particular position, he is great cover but not a starter for me.
 
bleach51 said:
I love the fact that at best some of our pundits on here have at best played Sunday League football and yet think they are ...well intelligent enough to be Managing the Team...and even worse selecting it 😉.
Having watched( yes I have BT Sports) it was a decent performance against a team who put everything into it...especially in the first half..it was a potential banana skin moment.
NC was spot on when he said after we went 2 up the last twenty minutes we were very sloppy.
As for Turton I thought he did well in a different role to his normal one.
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If one had to have played or managed a football team to pass an opinion on players, what would be the point of any layman watching. Football fans have been passing opinions on the game and the players ever since football has been played. If you had to be a former player to watch or opine, I am afraid the crowd would be even less than it is during this pandemic. Utter nonsense.
 
Tangerinewookiee said:
Turton is by no means a bad player, i just wouldn't pick him in my starting 11. I don't believe he is the best player in the squad in any particular position, he is great cover but not a starter for me.
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Even though I am one of the ones who call him , I agree he isn’t a bad player, he just isn’t good enough for our ambitions. He is beaten to easily too often in defence, he is totally predictable when going forward, he receives the ball looks around then passes 40 yards backwards. I often wonder if he knows which direction we are playing in. Going forward with any pace stops almost every time he gets the ball, he isn’t the only one, but he does it more often than anyone else. Sorry but not good enough for an ambitious league 1 team.
 
I don't get why players like teddy howe are still hanging round never playing when they could be playing someplace else, grayson must have thought he was pretty good or he wouldn't have snapped him up so quick let's be fair to the lad
 
P t Barnum said:
I don't get why players like teddy howe are still hanging round never playing when they could be playing someplace else, grayson must have thought he was pretty good or he wouldn't have snapped him up so quick let's be fair to the lad
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If Critchley isn’t enamoured with a player they are completely shut out. Thorniley is another not too good at first, a really good game against Accy and not a sniff since.
 
I'll give him this, he's a lot better this season than last. Having said that last season he was awfull.
He backs off too much for my liking, and usualy passes sideways or backwards. He's one of those players who, when he receives the ball, I whisper a silent prayer 'please dont cock it up'.

On a good day he's average.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I've no idea why some so called fans always want a player scapegoat goat

This seasons go to scapegoat is Turton by the looks of it

Pathetic really ...
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I agree with this, if a player has had a bad game I will be the first to say it. I just dont get why certain players get singled out most weeks when they've done nothing wrong. Like at half time yesterday, I dont remember Turton doing anything really wrong, thought he was one of our better players first half, yet I still saw people calling him Turdon and saying he was shit. He's been designated scapegoat this season and I really don't get why.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I've no idea why some so called fans always want a player scapegoat goat

This seasons go to scapegoat is Turton by the looks of it

Pathetic really ...
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Funnily enough, Phil, was listening to the recent Darren Barker 1-2 podcast this morning and was thinking about this. He mentioned Adrian Forbes as a player he really liked to play with, as he often took the man inside allowing him to get forward when he was playing RB. I am pretty sure there was another ex-player semi-recently doing the same via a podcast, and Forbes is someone who got pelters from parts of our fanbase. He wasn't the most gifted, technically, but always thought there was a scapegoat element to a lot of the flak.

It's only half applicable in Turton's case anyway, as he did a job yesterday and we won 3-0. I thought he played well and, at the very least, there were worse players on the pitch (I really like Dougall, but think he had a sloppier game by comparison). I'm all for discussion and holding a player to account if he has a poor game, but Turton is underserving of that with yesterday's performance IMO.
 
I bleed Tangerine said:
I agree with this, if a player has had a bad game I will be the first to say it. I just dont get why certain players get singled out most weeks when they've done nothing wrong. Like at half time yesterday, I dont remember Turton doing anything really wrong, thought he was one of our better players first half, yet I still saw people calling him Turdon and saying he was shit. He's been designated scapegoat this season and I really don't get why.
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Are you ignoring those criticising him and why they are?
thefutureistangerine said:
Funnily enough, Phil, was listening to the recent Darren Barker 1-2 podcast this morning and was thinking about this. He mentioned Adrian Forbes as a player he really liked to play with, as he often took the man inside allowing him to get forward when he was playing RB. I am pretty sure there was another ex-player semi-recently doing the same via a podcast, and Forbes is someone who got pelters from parts of our fanbase. He wasn't the most gifted, technically, but always thought there was a scapegoat element to a lot of the flak.

It's only half applicable in Turton's case anyway, as he did a job yesterday and we won 3-0. I thought he played well and, at the very least, there were worse players on the pitch (I really like Dougall, but think he had a sloppier game by comparison). I'm all for discussion and holding a player to account if he has a poor game, but Turton is underserving of that with yesterday's performance IMO.
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The problem if we accept rank average footballers, finish in rank average positions, we're always going to be behind. If Turton isn't good enough to play for a top 6 club in this division, why do we want to persist in playing him over a Championship right back? For all of his "defensive" prowess, it didn't do us much good at the start of this season. As we kept conceding silly goals.

His technical ability to pass is questionable, his positioning is ok. His long ball passes in certain games have been absolutely wasteful. He hits one or two good crosses every other game. He is extremely negative with his play where he refuses to pass the ball forward.
 
Unless you've got someone who's a walking disaster then with the new cap salary limits I think the focus might shift more to keeping hold of steady lads like Turton, and it won't necessarily be an acceptance of mediocrity. Just that there needs to be a trade off when managing a 22-man squad. They've just done that with Virtue.
 
poolfc2011 said:
Unless you've got someone who's a walking disaster then with the new cap salary limits I think the focus might shift more to keeping hold of steady lads like Turton, and it won't necessarily be an acceptance of mediocrity. Just that there needs to be a trade off when managing a 22-man squad. They've just done that with Virtue.
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Steady wins you nothing. When was the last time a steady, average or whatever manager won any league, with steady, average players.
 
If you can keep an OK right back on a one year retainer and get a better season loan in on a fixed fee then it frees up the spend elsewhere. I think that's the way it'll go, and has already.

If the intention was different then they'd have been out there over the summer doing things like picking off Crewe for their captain to make him our captain, but they weren't. They were having trialists in and waiting on answers back on contract offers.
 
SeasideKurt said:
The problem if we accept rank average footballers, finish in rank average positions, we're always going to be behind. If Turton isn't good enough to play for a top 6 club in this division, why do we want to persist in playing him over a Championship right back? For all of his "defensive" prowess, it didn't do us much good at the start of this season. As we kept conceding silly goals.

His technical ability to pass is questionable, his positioning is ok. His long ball passes in certain games have been absolutely wasteful. He hits one or two good crosses every other game. He is extremely negative with his play where he refuses to pass the ball forward.
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Tbf, though, the whole defence was in disarray at the start of the season. Grétarsson and Husband still looked a little shaky yesterday, against a NLS side.

Why do we persist with him over a Championship right back? Do you mean Gabriel, who has never played a game in the Championship, or someone else?

I think if you rate him so lowly, we won't find the middle ground on this one 👍. I do know there's better out there and as we progress better players will come through you'd hope; my initial points here and in the match thread were about him taking flak when he didn't have a bad game.
 
thefutureistangerine said:
Tbf, though, the whole defence was in disarray at the start of the season. Grétarsson and Husband still looked a little shaky yesterday, against a NLS side.

Why do we persist with him over a Championship right back? Do you mean Gabriel, who has never played a game in the Championship, or someone else?

I think if you rate him so lowly, we won't find the middle ground on this one 👍. I do know there's better out there and as we progress better players will come through you'd hope; my initial points here and in the match thread were about him taking flak when he didn't have a bad game.
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He didn't have a bad game and he also didn't have a good one. He was there. Gabriel has played in the Championship. And is owned by a Championship club who saw fit to give him a new deal before he came to us. Albeit agree he isn't established but early signs show he is a big big upgrade.
 
SeasideKurt said:
He didn't have a bad game and he also didn't have a good one. He was there. Gabriel has played in the Championship. And is owned by a Championship club who saw fit to give him a new deal before he came to us. Albeit agree he isn't established but early signs show he is a big big upgrade.
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Oh yeah, just double-checked. I mistook his sole Championship game as a cup game!

And yeah, I do agree Turton wasn't standout. My point all along was that some of the flak thrown at him was a bit harsh, when I think he will be a useful squad player this season as mentioned in the match thread. If Gabriel shows himself to be the better option in the coming weeks then he should be first choice.
 
Turton is like Neal Bishop, a player who will always give 110% in every game, but ultimately is not good enough for the level they're playing at.
 
He's good enough. But it's up to the fancy recruitment team to find someone on 1700 a week or a loan contribution if they want better whilst not compromising the rest of the squad with how they have to operate now.

Hopefully that is Gabriel this season, but he's come here to work on the defensive side of his game before Forest make a decision on their long term Matty Cash replacement. And either put him in their team or make him available for transfer and look for a fee from his contract and development. It also feels like someone has had a word about him being sat on our bench since the Ipswich game.
 
Goforgoal said:
If one had to have played or managed a football team to pass an opinion on players, what would be the point of any layman watching. Football fans have been passing opinions on the game and the players ever since football has been played. If you had to be a former player to watch or opine, I am afraid the crowd would be even less than it is during this pandemic. Utter nonsense
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You mean like your comment.
The problem is too many on here( not that it is confined to our club) have those they love and those they hate and they will never change their minds no matter what.
As for not going to watch based on my original comment that has to be the most puerile comment ever.
oh and at present we are 2 0 up...and like someone else has said it would be
a) Nice to progress and
b)It is game time for others and a chance to impress and/or gain match fitness.
 
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