UK highest inflation in Western Europe

Shandypants

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Obviously caused by covid, Ukraine, the ship in the canal, Meghan Markle, small boat influx. Look a dead cat over there, Rwanda, Rwanda, Jeremy Corbyn, snowflake wokes!

UK 10.1
Austria 9.2
Italy 8.2
Sweden 8.1
Portugal 8
Germany 7.8
Denmark 7.3
Ireland 7
Finland 6.8
France 6.6
Norway 6.5
Belgium 4.9
Netherlands 4.5
Spain 3.1
Source eurostat: UK office for national statistics
 
Obviously caused by covid, Ukraine, the ship in the canal, Meghan Markle, small boat influx. Look a dead cat over there, Rwanda, Rwanda, Jeremy Corbyn, snowflake wokes!

UK 10.1
Austria 9.2
Italy 8.2
Sweden 8.1
Portugal 8
Germany 7.8
Denmark 7.3
Ireland 7
Finland 6.8
France 6.6
Norway 6.5
Belgium 4.9
Netherlands 4.5
Spain 3.1
Source eurostat: UK office for national statistics
Not forgetting people wanting a living wage.
 
Obviously caused by covid, Ukraine, the ship in the canal, Meghan Markle, small boat influx. Look a dead cat over there, Rwanda, Rwanda, Jeremy Corbyn, snowflake wokes!

UK 10.1
Austria 9.2
Italy 8.2
Sweden 8.1
Portugal 8
Germany 7.8
Denmark 7.3
Ireland 7
Finland 6.8
France 6.6
Norway 6.5
Belgium 4.9
Netherlands 4.5
Spain 3.1
Source eurostat: UK office for national statistics
That's if you actually believe the figure of 10.1%.
Apparently food inflation is 19%
Don't make me laugh. 19%? Anyone who does a regular food shop will know 19%
is pure fantasy. I bet the real figure is somewhere between 50 and 100%
 
It would be very interesting to know if there is a difference between NI inflation and mainland UK inflation - that sort of separates the Brexit effect, if there is one, from all the other current sources of inflation.
ROI inflation is 7% in the stats. quoted.
 
There is something fundamentally wrong with the UK food chain / market. The Govt leave it to Tesco et al rather than intervening at the producer level - which of course we can do now out of EU (?). UK supermarkets lock producers into fixed contracts which do not incentivise additional production to meet shortfalls. Prices only really go up and not down. Supermarket pockets profit not producers - and so the cycle continues. This phenomenon only seems to apply to the UK according to the governments own advisor. This must have a huge bearing on why UK inflation is higher than most.

 
The wrong thing to do with temporarily high inflation caused predominantly by Putin, was to demand higher and higher wages. Instead we had to hold our nerve otherwise, as predicted, we would be in an inflationary spiral where wages are increased due to inflation, which fuels inflation, which means the wage rise was ineffective and so on.
Whilst there's various factors affecting inflation, the militant Unions are partly to blame, as well as the Government. You reap what you sow.
 
The wrong thing to do with temporarily high inflation caused predominantly by Putin, was to demand higher and higher wages. Instead we had to hold our nerve otherwise, as predicted, we would be in an inflationary spiral where wages are increased due to inflation, which fuels inflation, which means the wage rise was ineffective and so on.
Whilst there's various factors affecting inflation, the militant Unions are partly to blame, as well as the Government. You reap what you sow.
There is a sizeable school of thought that the wage inflationary spiral is a myth or over egged. It doesn't seem to alarm people when senior managers receive massive bonuses and salaries but when a nurse or a train cleaner wants 15% payrise on bugger all of nothing its somehow a HUGE problem[/QUOTE]
 
I totally fail to understand how “printing money” can cause inflation? I obviously have the same problem as the Bank of England.
printing money increases the supply of money in circulation. Without a commensurate increase in productive output, prices rise because there is now more money chasing the same number of goods and services as there were prior to the monetary injection. Inflation will then erode the value of savings - unless there is a commensurate rise in interest rates. Increasing interest rates will take the heat out of the economy by encouraging savings and slowing output - ie. productive investment will slow down because the price of money has increased.
 
Just to add to my previous post. We were in Canada last year visiting my cousin and they were all complaining about the price of food, petrol and energy. I've got to admit the prices in the supermarkets over there were eye watering, even when you allowed for exchange rates and average wages.
My cousin is now over here for a holiday and she tells me that food prices in Canada have rocketed to even higher levels.
I was recently speaking to my friend who lives in New York and he was complaining that his shopping bill has doubled over the last 12 months.
So it would seem that we're not the only country to suffer from higher prices.
The UK food inflation figure of 19% is utter bullshit.
And I can't help wondering if prices are being held artificially high and we're being ripped off.
That applies to supermarkets, petrol retailers, energy companies and just about any other service you care to name.
The problem is, with prices so high people will cut back on spending in other areas.
But to get the economy growing again you need people to start spending money again.
I understand the need to reduce inflation. But perhaps it's time the Government started to look at companies and service providers who are keeping those prices artificially high. I read an article recently that the wholesale price of diesel was now the same as unleaded. Yet the retailers are still charging around 20p a litre more for diesel. And it's diesel we mainly rely on to transport goods around the country. So no wonder prices are staying high.
I do wonder if politicians understand that or actually want to take action on that.
 
There is a sizeable school of thought that the wage inflationary spiral is a myth or over egged. It doesn't seem to alarm people when senior managers receive massive bonuses and salaries but when a nurse or a train cleaner wants 15% payrise on bugger all of nothing its somehow a HUGE problem
That's the problem with % pay rises the train cleaner on just above minimum wage gets barely anything whilst the driver and management get a big wedge which then fuels inflation.

Should be a flat wage increase across the board same as my mate got at Wyre Council last year no one gains and no one loses out.
 
Just to add to my previous post. We were in Canada last year visiting my cousin and they were all complaining about the price of food, petrol and energy. I've got to admit the prices in the supermarkets over there were eye watering, even when you allowed for exchange rates and average wages.
My cousin is now over here for a holiday and she tells me that food prices in Canada have rocketed to even higher levels.
I was recently speaking to my friend who lives in New York and he was complaining that his shopping bill has doubled over the last 12 months.
So it would seem that we're not the only country to suffer from higher prices.
The UK food inflation figure of 19% is utter bullshit.
And I can't help wondering if prices are being held artificially high and we're being ripped off.
That applies to supermarkets, petrol retailers, energy companies and just about any other service you care to name.
The problem is, with prices so high people will cut back on spending in other areas.
But to get the economy growing again you need people to start spending money again.
I understand the need to reduce inflation. But perhaps it's time the Government started to look at companies and service providers who are keeping those prices artificially high. I read an article recently that the wholesale price of diesel was now the same as unleaded. Yet the retailers are still charging around 20p a litre more for diesel. And it's diesel we mainly rely on to transport goods around the country. So no wonder prices are staying high.
I do wonder if politicians understand that or actually want to take action on that.
That 19% figure is for one month it was 18% Feb and 16% Jan so in reality a food item might have gone up over 50% since December!
 
The UK government know full well that they can get away with anything after watching most of the nation do as they were told during the "pandemic" whilst all the while they did how they pleased. The high prices on just about everything are probably a cunning way to claw back furlough money that was handed out to millions and I suspect that they are in cahoots with the energy companies, supermarket chains and fuel suppliers. Regardless of this, the fact remains that the British Public have largely become poodles, controlled by a handful of tyrants, and who haven't the backbone to stand up and vehemently protest about it like the French, and consequently their future will remain the same, one of high taxes, high prices and low wages.
 
Supermarkets are taking the piss with over the odds price rises.I have seen items that cost £1 a year ago now around the £1.80 mark . I will vote for any party that will promise to create Guv operated low cost supermarkets to compete against the rip off operators. Even the sodding Labour party!
 
Supermarkets are taking the piss with over the odds price rises.I have seen items that cost £1 a year ago now around the £1.80 mark . I will vote for any party that will promise to create Guv operated low cost supermarkets to compete against the rip off operators. Even the sodding Labour party!
Nationalisation of the supermarkets, how very socialist of you.
 
There is a sizeable school of thought that the wage inflationary spiral is a myth or over egged. It doesn't seem to alarm people when senior managers receive massive bonuses and salaries but when a nurse or a train cleaner wants 15% payrise on bugger all of nothing its somehow a HUGE problem
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I'm all for train cleaners and lower paid medical staff getting a fairer wage. However, I have no support for Train Drivers who with their Union were demanding a huge rise because they were struggling on their paltry £60-£75k.

I'm also for a junior doctor on £14 an hour getting a significant rise. However, whilst we see the £14 displayed on picket line posters, what many don't appreciate is that other junior doctors are on a hell of a lot more. I've a friend who is a junior doctor and he is on £42 an hour.

So let's have an honest approach to wage increases at this time of high inflation. We talk about a cost of living crisis but for many/most there's no such thing. We should support those on lower incomes as much more %age of their income is spent on food and household bills.

We should pay the lower income folk more and have constraint for everyone else, thereby avoiding the risk of fuelling inflation further.
 
I'm all for train cleaners and lower paid medical staff getting a fairer wage. However, I have no support for Train Drivers who with their Union were demanding a huge rise because they were struggling on their paltry £60-£75k.

I'm also for a junior doctor on £14 an hour getting a significant rise. However, whilst we see the £14 displayed on picket line posters, what many don't appreciate is that other junior doctors are on a hell of a lot more. I've a friend who is a junior doctor and he is on £42 an hour.

So let's have an honest approach to wage increases at this time of high inflation. We talk about a cost of living crisis but for many/most there's no such thing. We should support those on lower incomes as much more %age of their income is spent on food and household bills.

We should pay the lower income folk more and have constraint for everyone else, thereby avoiding the risk of fuelling inflation further.
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Why should train drivers salaries be impacted by inflation? Just because they are on 65-70k is an irrelevance, cost of living increases impacts them as well. Its a responsible job that demands such a salary in my opinion.
 
The wrong thing to do with temporarily high inflation caused predominantly by Putin, was to demand higher and higher wages. Instead we had to hold our nerve otherwise, as predicted, we would be in an inflationary spiral where wages are increased due to inflation, which fuels inflation, which means the wage rise was ineffective and so on.
Whilst there's various factors affecting inflation, the militant Unions are partly to blame, as well as the Government. You reap what you sow.
Thanks Rishi.
 
Quantitative easing is massively behind our current position along with all the macro factors you posted.

Alistair Darling began the gravy train where instead of spending it on capital projects to stimulate demand like the US and Germany did, we handed the same tax payers money to the investment bankers in the city in a hope they would not be greedy and would use it to generate investment into companies that would create jobs and wealth (and more tax receipts)

Shockingly, those billionaire investment fund owners didn’t play fairly and trousered most of it and used it in property purchase deals in London which subsequently got sold to Arabs, Russian and Chinese overseas investors. Who’d have thought???

Fortunately following governments in the last decade realised this would only make a small % of people wealthier and the burden would fall back on the economy and tax payers.

Once they had this knowledge Osborn and then future chancellors really turned on the tap and it was caviar for all the boys and somehow here we are with massive inflation and a growing tax burden.

QE is the gift that keeps giving


 
Obviously caused by covid, Ukraine, the ship in the canal, Meghan Markle, small boat influx. Look a dead cat over there, Rwanda, Rwanda, Jeremy Corbyn, snowflake wokes!

UK 10.1
Austria 9.2
Italy 8.2
Sweden 8.1
Portugal 8
Germany 7.8
Denmark 7.3
Ireland 7
Finland 6.8
France 6.6
Norway 6.5
Belgium 4.9
Netherlands 4.5
Spain 3.1
Source eurostat: UK office for national statistics
We’ll I said Brexit would wreck this country
Oh and the Tories -at least 9.9% of that figure is there fault

Keep striking for more pay
The country is run by a certain infamous previous football Club owner !
 
I'm all for train cleaners and lower paid medical staff getting a fairer wage. However, I have no support for Train Drivers who with their Union were demanding a huge rise because they were struggling on their paltry £60-£75k.

I'm also for a junior doctor on £14 an hour getting a significant rise. However, whilst we see the £14 displayed on picket line posters, what many don't appreciate is that other junior doctors are on a hell of a lot more. I've a friend who is a junior doctor and he is on £42 an hour.

So let's have an honest approach to wage increases at this time of high inflation. We talk about a cost of living crisis but for many/most there's no such thing. We should support those on lower incomes as much more %age of their income is spent on food and household bills.

We should pay the lower income folk more and have constraint for everyone else, thereby avoiding the risk of fuelling inflation further.
Why should train drivers salaries be impacted by inflation? Just because they are on 65-70k is an irrelevance, cost of living increases impacts them as well. Its a responsible job that demands such a salary in my opinion.
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Ideally they wouldn’t be. However there’s an inflation issue which is primarily caused by Putin and the consequences of the invasion on energy costs and food costs and the supply of grain from Ukraine.
So given that we have high inflation we need to take sensible steps to try and bring it down. Wage rises themselves can add to the problem and make it worse. But the cost of living for the poorest in society is undoubtedly causing great hardship. At times like these we can and should look to the wealthier to absorb some of the pain when it’s for the greater good of all.
As I have said, I think the cost of living crisis is no such thing for the better paid. Undoubtedly we all notice the higher prices for food and energy but for someone on £65k-75k this won’t be causing hardship and destitution.
 
Why should train drivers salaries be impacted by inflation? Just because they are on 65-70k is an irrelevance, cost of living increases impacts them as well. Its a responsible job that demands such a salary in my opinion.

The point of the post was to compare the rate of inflation in the UK with other similar countries in Western Europe who are also feeling the same effects of the war in Ukraine. What factors are unique to the UK that make our rate of inflation so much worse than other countries in Western Europe? My take is;
  • Brexit - higher import costs in UK for goods from EU than for EU countries
  • Higher energy costs have been passed on to consumer, the UK government has not intervened in the market (like many other governments) and energy companies are generally foreign owned. The government could do something about this but would prefer large profits to go to the energy companies.
  • Higher energy costs can also create the sort of inflationary spiral that you want to pin on wage growth because it effects every area of life including almost all economic activity.
Wage inflation, which you would like to blame as it fits in with the narrative that Marxist union leaders are causing inflation, is running at between 5% and 6% which is well below the rate of inflation (see report below about ONS figures).

 
The point of the post was to compare the rate of inflation in the UK with other similar countries in Western Europe who are also feeling the same effects of the war in Ukraine. What factors are unique to the UK that make our rate of inflation so much worse than other countries in Western Europe? My take is;
  • Brexit - higher import costs in UK for goods from EU than for EU countries
  • Higher energy costs have been passed on to consumer, the UK government has not intervened in the market (like many other governments) and energy companies are generally foreign owned. The government could do something about this but would prefer large profits to go to the energy companies.
  • Higher energy costs can also create the sort of inflationary spiral that you want to pin on wage growth because it effects every area of life including almost all economic activity.
Wage inflation, which you would like to blame as it fits in with the narrative that Marxist union leaders are causing inflation, is running at between 5% and 6% which is well below the rate of inflation (see report below about ONS figures).


Yea the point of the post is self explanatory but you feel you had to explain a post about a list of inflation rates in European countries for some reason.

(The point of the thread about Putin is to critique his actions and to discuss the instability and to consider the consequences to world peace. I could go on. It’s a good job you’re here to state the obvious. )

Such lists are indicative but they’re snapshots. The inflation rates as of now are not as they were or as they will be. Countries will move up and down the list. So any conclusions you draw along with the moaning of others, need to be seen in context, and seen for what it is - anti government biased rhetoric.
One person has commented to say 9.9% of the inflation is the Government’s fault.
The inflation rate lists countries of which many are not similar to the UK.
There’s not much similar between the Spanish and UK economies yet Spain is listed as if they’re a country with an economy to envy due to their their lower inflation rate. 🤣🤣
Having them on there is a distortion.
We really only need to look to Germany and France. In doing so we see our inflation rate is indeed a few percentage points higher.
You say I want to pin inflation on wage growth but you must have a very short attention span. I said inflation is caused by various factors and I’ve actually specified energy being one of these factors. So please don’t twist my words or misrepresent me for your own biased agenda. Judge me on my actual words, rather than your fabrications.
You say the government hasn’t intervened with the energy market. Well in fact yes they have. They have set a price cap. They’ve given energy support to businesses and individuals. Support you’ll have gratefully banked on the quiet. But if you want to pass your rebate onto someone more needy then please do so.
The government racked up billions paying to support businesses and individuals through covid. They went further than other countries on the above list. They pumped money into the system and it’s a well known consequence that quantitative easing causes higher inflation.
Brexit will be having some impact on supply chains in addition to the supply chain pressures caused by covid.
So yeah our inflation is slightly higher than in Germany right now but that’s todays position. It’s two percent higher and about four percent higher than France.
It’s economic stupidity to have a self-inflicted wage inflation spiral. That would have happened if the government hadn’t been resisting the ridiculous demands of various unions. Thankfully we are starting to see some sensible pay deals reached. The militant outliers can carry on asking for 35%. Well if they had their way we’d probably end up with 20% inflation and then you’d have something real to moan about - even though I suspect it would have been like a turkey voting for Christmas.
 
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Who could've predicted that paying lots of people not to work could lead to this? 🙃

Many of these moaners would have been all too willingly sat on their lazy asses at home being paid to do nothing, ordering takeaway and piling on the pounds, watching Netflix, and encouraging the Government not to lift restrictions until the twelfth of never. Well they reap what they sow and what they encouraged.
What they didn’t appreciate though, cos they weren’t bright enough, was that there’s no such thing as a free breakfast/lunch/dinner/supper whether it be brought to their front door by deliveroo or not.
 
Many of these moaners would have been all too willingly sat on their lazy asses at home being paid to do nothing, ordering takeaway and piling on the pounds, watching Netflix, and encouraging the Government not to lift restrictions until the twelfth of never. Well they reap what they sow and what they encouraged.
What they didn’t appreciate though, cos they weren’t bright enough, was that there’s no such thing as a free breakfast/lunch/dinner/supper whether it be brought to their front door by deliveroo or not.
What on earth are you talking about ?
 
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