Uncle Val

Stony Hill said:
There’s some extreme statements amongst all of this. I never got near to meeting Val but did with Owen (I didn’t like him. Easy to say, eh?)
I am positive that there are posters on avftt who have known both. I can only think of Wiz for example and I would trust his appraisal.
Any thoughts Wiz? Anyone else on here who went on any of the Latvia jaunts? Your threeh’pth please.
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Met VB on several occasions The 1st Latvia tour being the 1st time . He seemed sincere enough about taking Blackpool to the PL & at the time don't forget Blackpool was bidding to be the UKs Casino centre so he saw that as a way of getting his beers(kimmel) & other interests expanded & making further investments in the Club & town .Pretty sure Owen sold him that dream though with ulterior motives . He often had armed security with him which may sy something about how he was possibly perceived by some.
Like its been said without him & his tenacity in pursuing what he saw as his rights we would still have the Os so even though he did "take a vast sum from the club " Which we'd never have had without him anyway I'd still happily shake him by the hand & say Thank you .
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Of course he will have been paid in full…. Unfortunately people can’t see past the “The enemy of my enemy…..” concept.

As I’ve said on here before, from what so witnessed, VB wasn’t interested to do much to help us until a certain oversized individual contacted him to suggest there may be a way to get his money back…. All of a sudden after that VB went into PR overdrive.

In my view he leveraged the anti Oyston sentiment and gained the support of the fans to serve his own ends.

The problem is that too many of you are too invested in the VB ‘hero’ theory to be able to wind back and acknowledge the reality….

Blinded by bull shit !
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You've become too invested in the "sentiment bullshit" ie his PR team went in to overdrive....what absolute bollocks.
Do you think a multillionaire Latvian business man has any sentiment towards anyone, fan or other at BFC....he doesn't give two shits. That's why he took the money and left. He took HIS money that he was due, through his investment, decided by the highest court in the land.
The fact he took the money off 'them' and in that act removed them from the club is the best case scenario that there could ever have been.
 
What it boils down to is do you believe he had the right intentions when he started investing in the club. For me , he put his money where his mouth was as other have said. The South stand, Charlie Adam......... Yes , he eventually got this back because because of the premier league, but who at the time would have thought that would happen.

The other thing about him is, I believe he became a genuine fan. I was in court when he was being cross examined by the Oyston barrister. The barrister was trying to prove Val threatened to have Owen killed at a meeting after the Tottenham away game. The barrister claimed he was already in a bad mood because Blackpool had lost. Val quickly corrected him, said we had drawn because of late equaliser, but he was absolutely right , it had put him in bad mood. When you heard him speak about BFC in court he came over as a fan

So In my book, it would be good to have him back for a game or be given some form of recognition.
 
a tough question. He got rid of the Oystons, I don't think the fans could ever have done that on their own because it was all about the courrt action that stripped the Oystons.of their assests. So will always be grateful for that and in that respect he is a hero. But it is a bit tainted for me because he took his money and ran seemingly without ever looking back. I think there could have been a few personal touches he could have left as a parting gift. A good number of fans suffered and had their lives put on hold because of the Oystons and it would have been a nice touch if he could have helped them out..
But ultimately it's now time to look forwards aot back.
 
Without his actions the club would either remain in the Oystons control or there no longer would be a club so we have to be grateful to him for that. The truth is he is a business man and acted above all else in his own interests. I would have had a lot more respect if he had left some money to the supporters trust so it could have been invested in the club. For example, one million would not have hurt him and and would have been a lasting legacy from him to the fans, who he repeatedly said supported him.
 
SeasideKurt said:
But you're removing multiple points in all of this. Short memory and very weird and one of the most peculiar takes of this I've read.

Almost every single pro-active investment was funded by Valeri, he put his money where his mouth is, he injected positivity into this club.

So, rightly so, when someone tries to fist you out of millions of pounds that your investment was the reason they gained that money. I'd be walking off into the sunset too.

He didn't get given the option of being given the club, which he would have taken plus money.
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He couldn't take the club as he was unable to pass the 'fit and proper' test due to his Kazakhstan money laundering conviction.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
I think it helps if you make a distinction between pre and post the PL.

There’s no doubt that VB was the main (but obviously not the only) reason we got promoted. I think when he first got involved his motivation was financial. In fact I recall when he was dithering about investing OO sent him a letter reminding him of the rewards they’d both enjoy if we were promoted. Once he was on board though I think he developed a genuine connection with the club.

Post PL there’s little doubt that NAPM on its own would not have shifted the Os. It took something more and the VB litigation was the missing ingredient.

I’m sure the main driver for the court action was financial combined with irritation at being taken for a mug by the Os. I do though think VB had an affection for the fans and is probably pleased at where we find ourselves now. But it’s important not to exaggerate that. If he could have got his money back, but left the club owned by the Os, I don’t doubt where his priority would have been. Remember, even after the judgment, if the Os had paid what was due then VB would have been obliged to sell his shares and the Os would have been the sole owners. It was only their incompetence and obtuseness that eventually led to the appointment of a receiver and the sale of the club.

So yes I’m grateful to VB but realistic about what happened and what could have happened.
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He wasn't allowed to own the club as he failed the 'fit and proper' test due to his money laundering conviction. So the option of him buying OO's shares was not viable.

I think it was the Oystons who reported him to the EFL for money laundering during the legal actions. Another action that rebounded on them.
 
Ginge said:
You've become too invested in the "sentiment bullshit" ie his PR team went in to overdrive....what absolute bollocks.
Do you think a multillionaire Latvian business man has any sentiment towards anyone, fan or other at BFC....he doesn't give two shits. That's why he took the money and left. He took HIS money that he was due, through his investment, decided by the highest court in the land.
The fact he took the money off 'them' and in that act removed them from the club is the best case scenario that there could ever have been.
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It’s not bollocks at all..

Remember the bowler hat picture in the national press, the regular articles in local and national press, the close ties with influential supporters etc…

VB and his team knew that having the fans on his side would play a key role in achieving his objectives IMO.

I’m not saying he had sentiment towards anyone, I’m saying the fans get caught up in getting sentimental about it…. VB is a cold hard businessman and he leveraged the fans support to achieve his goal of getting his money out as far as I’m concerned.

There are a number of factors that support what I’m saying that people have either failed to notice or simply ignored…. I’m not going to go into detail, but to me it seems quite obvious.

I’m not sure it was the best result that could have ever been. The best result that could have ever been would have been VB donating a substantial sum of the PL windfall back to leave a lasting legacy.

He also didn’t take his money that was due, he was rewarded with substantially more money than he would have actually been due, with the award from the judge being remarkably favourable…. The reasonable expectation for an award was probably around half of what he actually got.
 
He isn’t a hero but neither an enemy.

He invested in BFC when others would not have .

His investment got us to the prem .

He was shafted by the Oystons as were the fans .

He got his share of the Prem loot and that court action alongside NAPM got Oyston out .

Out of his winnings I feel that at the very least he should have indemnified all those fans who were sued by Oyston in respect of their costs and damages .

Whether he did or not i don’t know .
 
We were League One and staying there without his investment.

  • Financed the South Stand
  • Financed crucial transfers that got us promoted to the Premier League
  • Was shafted by the Oystons.
  • His intervention resulted in the Oystons being removed.
He's a questionable individual, most millionaires are, but I'm glad he was involved.

For just those things I'm happy we had him here.
 
bollieboy said:
He wasn't allowed to own the club as he failed the 'fit and proper' test due to his money laundering conviction. So the option of him buying OO's shares was not viable.

I think it was the Oystons who reported him to the EFL for money laundering during the legal actions. Another action that rebounded on them.
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Yes I’d forgotten about the joke conviction in Kyrgyzstan and the EFL position (see what I mean about my memory). I always thought that if VB had wanted to he could have applied for a judicial review but for whatever reason he didn’t. Maybe it was the Paris decision which probably would have been more problematic for him.

I think the Os barrister tried to bring up the money laundering issues in the trial in London but was given short shrift by Marcus Smith.
 
WiltsSeasider said:
We were League One and staying there without his investment.

  • Financed the South Stand
  • Financed crucial transfers that got us promoted to the Premier League
  • Was shafted by the Oystons.
  • His intervention resulted in the Oystons being removed.
He's a questionable individual, most millionaires are, but I'm glad he was involved.

For just those things I'm happy we had him here.
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I agree with that.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s not bollocks at all..

Remember the bowler hat picture in the national press, the regular articles in local and national press, the close ties with influential supporters etc…

VB and his team knew that having the fans on his side would play a key role in achieving his objectives IMO.

I’m not saying he had sentiment towards anyone, I’m saying the fans get caught up in getting sentimental about it…. VB is a cold hard businessman and he leveraged the fans support to achieve his goal of getting his money out as far as I’m concerned.

There are a number of factors that support what I’m saying that people have either failed to notice or simply ignored…. I’m not going to go into detail, but to me it seems quite obvious.

I’m not sure it was the best result that could have ever been. The best result that could have ever been would have been VB donating a substantial sum of the PL windfall back to leave a lasting legacy.

He also didn’t take his money that was due, he was rewarded with substantially more money than he would have actually been due, with the award from the judge being remarkably favourable…. The reasonable expectation for an award was probably around half of what he actually got.
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I don’t think it’s realistic to expect VB (one rich man) to gift big lumps of cash to SS (another rich man) in the expectation it’ll be spent on the club, although I agree a gift to the Community Trust or even BST (if only for the comedy value watching the reaction on here) would’ve been a nice gesture. And I agree with the comments about compensating the fans who’d been sued.

And as you say I did think award was pretty favourable. It was meant to be equivalent to the “dividends” the Os awarded themselves (plus VB’s original investment) but as the Os were paying, it effectively meant they were paying everything they’d taken, rather than half. Leaving them with nothing 😊

I was worried that the Court of Appeal might take a similar view but obviously it didn’t, and decided the judge has a very wide discretion.
 
He put up the money for C Adams and part of the stadium if I recall, he then humiliated and took the premiership money off the Oystons, he then got rid of the stench from the club for good. For all of this he will fondly be remembered and should always be welcome back, however hero is taking it too far. At the end of the day he took the Premiership money for himself and ran away, he could have taken over the club and built it up like SS (true hero), but no the lure of massive profits was too much, in other words he liked his cash far more than the club. And after he took all the money who has heard from him🤔🤔🤔grateful yes but let’s leave it there.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Why Kurt?

The way I see (beyond all of the fairy tales) is that Val has walked of into the sunset with all of the money. And he did that not only with the blessing of Blackpool fans, but with us applauding him on his way…

Like I said above, people are too invested in the alternative reality they’ve created for themselves to admit the truth.
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WAS IT NOT 36,,000,000 NOT 120,000,000(WHICH WE ALLEGED GOT FROM PROMOTION TO PREMIER LEAGE,INCLUDING TV RIGHTS ETC)?
 
LimerickTangerine said:
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I’m not sure the questions I’ve asked you need an explanation.
Mexboroseasider said:
I don’t think it’s realistic to expect VB (one rich man) to gift big lumps of cash to SS (another rich man) in the expectation it’ll be spent on the club, although I agree a gift to the Community Trust or even BST (if only for the comedy value watching the reaction on here) would’ve been a nice gesture. And I agree with the comments about compensating the fans who’d been sued.
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I agree you wouldn’t have expected him to gift the Club. I also agree that he could have made a substantial gesture to the Trust and / or Community Trust.

Seasider53 said:
What it boils down to is do you believe he had the right intentions when he started investing in the club. For me , he put his money where his mouth was as other have said. The South stand, Charlie Adam......... Yes , he eventually got this back because because of the premier league, but who at the time would have thought that would happen.
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If you believe that his motivation for becoming involved with BFC was about anything other than self interest, then you’re completely deluded IMHO.
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
He put 7 million in and took 30 million AND THE OYSTONS out

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Absolute hero.

He was the catalyst for the greatest times in my supporting life and funded the rise to get us there.

When the fans started getting sued, he upped the ante and took on the Oyston's which is the primary reason we are without them now.

I don't begrudge him a penny of the £30m - good luck to the fella and he should be welcomed back with open arms.
 
XBeds-Now-Kings_Meaburn said:
Met VB on several occasions The 1st Latvia tour being the 1st time . He seemed sincere enough about taking Blackpool to the PL & at the time don't forget Blackpool was bidding to be the UKs Casino centre so he saw that as a way of getting his beers(kimmel) & other interests expanded & making further investments in the Club & town .Pretty sure Owen sold him that dream though with ulterior motives . He often had armed security with him which may sy something about how he was possibly perceived by some.
Like its been said without him & his tenacity in pursuing what he saw as his rights we would still have the Os so even though he did "take a vast sum from the club " Which we'd never have had without him anyway I'd still happily shake him by the hand & say Thank you .
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Thanks. Appreciate the insight.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
He put in £4.5m and was awarded £31.27m by a court of law as compensation for a breach of his legal rights. You make it sound like he robbed the till.
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Surely you would have strong objections to Mr Belekon having been allowed anywhere near BFC, given your ‘governance’ stance… Or do you only apply the rules as suit your personal convenience?
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
He put 7 million in and took 30 million out

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I don't know about the exact figures but that's the bottom line.

I appreciate he has no legal requirement to the club or any of those wronged by the previous regime but at the end of the day he took millions out of our club and I would imagine that taking millions out of our club was the main reason that the Oystons were not overly popular with our supporters.

Exactly what Uncle Val chooses to do with his hard earned - and not so hard earned - money has got the square root of feck all to do with me but it would sit better with me if he had left some of his rewards in the club.

I'm surprised he didn't at least compensate the supporters who suffered financially but hey ho it's not my dough.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Surely you would have strong objections to Mr Belekon having been allowed anywhere near BFC, given your ‘governance’ stance… Or do you only apply the rules as suit your personal convenience?
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I think it all depends on what side of the bed he gets out of

Lets not forget how scathing he was about Bury whilst blabbering on about what a great job the FSA do

And who can forget this timeless classic;

"The more successful the Oystons are the better it is for Blackpool fc"
 
TSSeasider said:
Absolute hero.

He was the catalyst for the greatest times in my supporting life and funded the rise to get us there.

When the fans started getting sued, he upped the ante and took on the Oyston's which is the primary reason we are without them now.

I don't begrudge him a penny of the £30m - good luck to the fella and he should be welcomed back with open arms.
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It's not fashionable to like him hence the standard reply from the usual posters.

If we all hated him.

"I didn't think he was too bad, he invested well to get us where we are today"

If the sky is black, they'll both say it's blue. All very predictable to be honest. It's fine not being a sheep but it's all a bit ridiculous isn't it.
 
AngelBFC said:
He isn’t a hero but neither an enemy.

He invested in BFC when others would not have .

His investment got us to the prem .

He was shafted by the Oystons as were the fans .

He got his share of the Prem loot and that court action alongside NAPM got Oyston out .

Out of his winnings I feel that at the very least he should have indemnified all those fans who were sued by Oyston in respect of their costs and damages .

Whether he did or not i don’t know .
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No he didn’t……. but he’s still a hero to me mate 👍🏼🍊🍊
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Surely you would have strong objections to Mr Belekon having been allowed anywhere near BFC, given your ‘governance’ stance… Or do you only apply the rules as suit your personal convenience?
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I seem to recall that I posted on here way back - around 2008 or so - that you had to treat anyone coming out of the old Soviet Union with a lot of money with caution. I got pelters for it too.

On the other hand, I think his conviction in Kyrgyzstan is deeply flawed, as was the subsequent decision in Paris. So I am agnostic about him. I do however think that the money he put in at the back end of that decade played a huge part in our subsequent success. And he was definitely a means to an end.

So it's not black and white for me. But then again I'm not Desperately Seeking Attention. :)
 
SeasideKurt said:
It's not fashionable to like him hence the standard reply from the usual posters.

If we all hated him.

"I didn't think he was too bad, he invested well to get us where we are today"

If the sky is black, they'll both say it's blue. All very predictable to be honest. It's fine not being a sheep but it's all a bit ridiculous isn't it.
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I'm just incredibly grateful for what he created.

Me and my eldest watched Blackpool in the top flight of English for the first time - together.

He was 7, I was 38; I'd not even seen them outside of the bottom two divisions until 2007!

How anyone with the faintest trickle of tangerine in their veins, can't look back in awe and thanks, is quite frankly beyond me.

I'd build a statue if I could.
 
BFC X 3 has a point. Blackpool is one of the most deprived towns in the U.K

A substantial donation to the community even a million from a Latvian who did better than he expected would have been very nice

Let’s not forget he was willing to settle for a lot less than he eventually got

As I say I think he should have at the very least donated some of his winnings to those who were sued

I’m sure he’d still be welcomed regardless as he was the catalyst to the removal of those damaging the club
 
Seainsea said:
Without the action he took against the Previous owners it is doubtful whether we would still have a Blackpool FC to support given what subsequently happened with Covid. Also there were no guarantees that he would succeed in what was a very expensive court action.
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Absolutely spot-on so given that would we we have happily surrendered that money to have the o's removed and the club saved as a result ? I think we would. Look where we were heading under those bastards
 
I'm a bit torn on it to be honest

Some of us campaigned long and hard against the Oystons due to the way they were removing funds from Blackpool fc over a number of years

Not everyone was on the same page back then

Granted Belekons spending helped us to the Premier lg and his court case was the catalyst in removing the Oystons

However it still doesn’t sit right with me the way he just disappeared with 30 odd million quid, especially due to the way he talked regarding the club and community
 
Stony Hill said:
There’s some extreme statements amongst all of this. I never got near to meeting Val but did with Owen (I didn’t like him. Easy to say, eh?)
I am positive that there are posters on avftt who have known both. I can only think of Wiz for example and I would trust his appraisal.
Any thoughts Wiz? Anyone else on here who went on any of the Latvia jaunts? Your threeh’pth please.
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I went on the first one and got to speak to Val in the beer garden at his brewery. I asked him outright why he had got involved with the Oystons and he immediately developed a problem with understanding English. Saying that he did carry a picture of Harry Johnson receiving the cup off the Queen which he took great delight in showing everyone who took an interest. My overall opinion of Val is that he did get involved with BFC to make money from his beer but it didn't take him long to build an affinity with the club and had its interests at heart
 
ainscow73 said:
I went on the first one and got to speak to Val in the beer garden at his brewery. I asked him outright why he had got involved with the Oystons and he immediately developed a problem with understanding English. Saying that he did carry a picture of Harry Johnson receiving the cup off the Queen which he took great delight in showing everyone who took an interest. My overall opinion of Val is that he did get involved with BFC to make money from his beer but it didn't take him long to build an affinity with the club and had its interests at heart
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Thankyou.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
I seem to recall that I posted on here way back - around 2008 or so - that you had to treat anyone coming out of the old Soviet Union with a lot of money with caution. I got pelters for it too.

On the other hand, I think his conviction in Kyrgyzstan is deeply flawed, as was the subsequent decision in Paris. So I am agnostic about him. I do however think that the money he put in at the back end of that decade played a huge part in our subsequent success. And he was definitely a means to an end.

So it's not black and white for me. But then again I'm not Desperately Seeking Attention. :)
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I’m not seeking anything Robbie, I’ve made this same point consistently. As I’ve said, I think others get caught up in the emotion and a flawed “Oyston Bad, Belekon Good” overly simplified rationale.

Unlike you, I don’t have the legal expertise or experience to evaluate the case against Belekon. I’m not party to the detailed evidence and so I can’t comment, suffice to say that the conviction exists and has valid legal status.

His money played a role in our success, but that doesn’t make it right from a governance perspective …. You either have rules or you don’t….So it is black and white…The idea that we can say “Well I think his conviction is flawed and it worked out OK, so it’s not black and white” is ridiculous and precisely the sort of ‘whichever way the wind blows’ attitude that we see from so many football fans….

When things are going well we couldn’t give a crap about who are owners are, when things go wrong, it’s all the EFL’s fault 😂
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I don’t know is it true?

Did he in the end walk away with all of the money that was left over from the Premier League windfall?

Have the fans patted him on the back and confirmed they are grateful for him doing so?
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We would never have reached the Prem without his imput and loans.
No ill feeling from me
 
tangysider said:
We would never have reached the Prem without his imput and loans.
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No ill feeling from me either.
I don't know all the facts about what has happened since Valeri won his case but it's all consigned to history now and I'm not going to lose anymore sleep about it.
It won't change anything.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not seeking anything Robbie, I’ve made this same point consistently. As I’ve said, I think others get caught up in the emotion and a flawed “Oyston Bad, Belekon Good” overly simplified rationale.

Unlike you, I don’t have the legal expertise or experience to evaluate the case against Belekon. I’m not party to the detailed evidence and so I can’t comment, suffice to say that the conviction exists and has valid legal status.

His money played a role in our success, but that doesn’t make it right from a governance perspective …. You either have rules or you don’t….So it is black and white…The idea that we can say “Well I think his conviction is flawed and it worked out OK, so it’s not black and white” is ridiculous and precisely the sort of ‘whichever way the wind blows’ attitude that we see from so many football fans….

When things are going well we couldn’t give a crap about who are owners are, when things go wrong, it’s all the EFL’s fault 😂
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I tried to offer you a balanced assessment. You chose to cherry pick words and phrases from it to make a point I never made nor intended to. And only you could look at that whole episode and decide that the rule breaker you were going to focus on was Belokon. Contrariness for the sake of it.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
I tried to offer you a balanced assessment. You chose to cherry pick words and phrases from it to make a point I never made nor intended to. And only you could look at that whole episode and decide that the rule breaker you were going to focus on was Belokon. Contrariness for the sake of it.
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I’m only focusing on Belekon because he’s the subject of the thread.

The situation is what it is and it’s over and done with and I don’t bear him any particular malice. I just don’t think he’s worthy of the hero worship.There’s nothing contrary about that, I’m simply removing the ‘emotion’ and looking at the situation rationally.

I understand that his court action resulted in the eventual removal of Oyston, but that was a by product and not the objective…. He didn’t do anything for the Club / Fans with the cash windfall he was awarded and it was within his gift to do so.

As for the Premier League, he invested tuppence hapenny in Football Terms and essentially got very very lucky…. And let’s not forget, as far as he was concerned, he was buying shares in the Club, so essentially his ‘investment’ was technically Oyston money.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It’s not bollocks at all..

Remember the bowler hat picture in the national press, the regular articles in local and national press, the close ties with influential supporters etc…

VB and his team knew that having the fans on his side would play a key role in achieving his objectives IMO.

I’m not saying he had sentiment towards anyone, I’m saying the fans get caught up in getting sentimental about it…. VB is a cold hard businessman and he leveraged the fans support to achieve his goal of getting his money out as far as I’m concerned.

There are a number of factors that support what I’m saying that people have either failed to notice or simply ignored…. I’m not going to go into detail, but to me it seems quite obvious.

I’m not sure it was the best result that could have ever been. The best result that could have ever been would have been VB donating a substantial sum of the PL windfall back to leave a lasting legacy.

He also didn’t take his money that was due, he was rewarded with substantially more money than he would have actually been due, with the award from the judge being remarkably favourable…. The reasonable expectation for an award was probably around half of what he actually got.
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Not sure it was ever about sentimentality

When SS and I went to Riga it became apparent that there were

It was my idea that we work together to achieve that objective and that's what we did - over five long years

Never in a million years did he think he'd get the award he did so to suggest that was his motivation is fundamentally wrong

VB was up for staying until a combination of factors made that impracticable

With the benefit of hindsight a clean slate was always the way to go but at the time we didn't know how it would play out and VB was the most important cog in the wheel

In my view we owe him a lot - he forced through regime change

The fact he ultimately did alright out of it himself ( at the Oystons expense ) is the icing on the cake
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
I'm a bit torn on it to be honest

Some of us campaigned long and hard against the Oystons due to the way they were removing funds from Blackpool fc over a number of years

Not everyone was on the same page back then

Granted Belekons spending helped us to the Premier lg and his court case was the catalyst in removing the Oystons

However it still doesn’t sit right with me the way he just disappeared with 30 odd million quid, especially due to the way he talked regarding the club and community
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Do you actually know what his return was for what he put in? And I'm including court costs and solicitors fees, south stand, Charlie Adam fee etc.
 
TwelveAngryMen said:
Not sure it was ever about sentimentality

When SS and I went to Riga it became apparent that there were

It was my idea that we work together to achieve that objective and that's what we did - over five long years

Never in a million years did he think he'd get the award he did so to suggest that was his motivation is fundamentally wrong

VB was up for staying until a combination of factors made that impracticable

With the benefit of hindsight a clean slate was always the way to go but at the time we didn't know how it would play out and VB was the most important cog in the wheel

In my view we owe him a lot - he forced through regime change

The fact he ultimately did alright out of it himself ( at the Oystons expense ) is the icing on the cake
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Come on Tim…

The bloke was pretty much blanking us until SS wrote to him suggest that there might be a way to get his money back… The next minute he’s flying you both out to Latvia …

VB played us like a fiddle and the ‘obstacles’ were a convenient excuse that he chose to hide behind.

We owe him nothing….
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Come on Tim…

The bloke was pretty much blanking us until SS wrote to him suggest that there might be a way to get his money back… The next minute he’s flying you both out to Latvia …

VB played us like a fiddle and the ‘obstacles’ were a convenient excuse that he chose to hide behind.

We owe him nothing….
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There's nothing wrong with your point of view and you are of course absolutely entitled to it but that's all it is, your point of view.
It isn't a proven fact.
 
Insider said:
There's nothing wrong with your point of view and you are of course absolutely entitled to it but that's all it is, your point of view.
It isn't a proven fact.
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It’s a fact that he was all but ignoring SISA’s pleas to assist until SS contacted him about the prospect of getting his money back.

It’s a fact his ears then immediately pricked up and he couldn’t do enough to wine and dine Tim and SS.

It’s a fact that his objective was to gain damages from the Oystons and not regime change.

It’s a fact he did nothing to deal with the obstacles that prevented him from owning the club.

It’s a fact he didn’t end up having anything more to do with the club

And it’s a fact that he walked away with a substantial sum as a result, that he was fully aware that money had been removed from the club by Oyston and that he could have left some kind of legacy for the fans, had he wanted to.

Of course the rest is my opinion…
 
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