Updated aftwr Wigan game. Should MA be sacked now or not

Should MA be sacked now or not ?

  • Yea

    Votes: 97 52.4%

  • No

    Votes: 88 47.6%
  • Total voters
    185
My opinion has not changed.

He must go now if we are to have a chance of survival.

Those that think we will be fine and to let him carry on are deluded. We are second bottom of the league and without immediate change we will be back in league one and that would be an absolute disaster
 
I feel he’s been dealt a shit hand and I wouldn’t put all the blame on him. However we have one good game every 5 and I don’t feel he is motivating the players. I actually think we are slow and predictable but have moments of quality. Sadly those moments are rare. We look a 4-4-2 team trying to play a 4-3-3 and it’s not working. And he sees hell bent on sticking to it

I also feel we have a lot of inexperience in midfield also. Patino, Carey etc. you can’t rely on a 19 and 20 year old to take a game by the scruff of the neck on a consistent basis. Also Madine is not a 90 minute 3 times a week player. Anyone can see that a mile away and that is having an effect.
MA job is to motivate the players, coach them and get results. That’s not happening. A lot of the players who have played recently played last year and they did pretty well. Loss of Bowler is showing how poor that was to let him go so late.

Question is how much of the players out improves the squad significantly enough who will reliably play on a consistent basis. Would a new manager get a tune out of what we got or do we feel Appleton would when the players return from injury.

Something has to change somewhere. It’s whether sacking him is the right call or not. Personally I’m on the fence. I can see pros and cons to both
 
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1953forever said:
Should have been potted after the Middlesbrough game.
He couldn't motivate anyone.
He is lifeless on the touchline.
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So was Critchley, the only time he came to life was his chest thumping, fist pumping act to con the fans into thinking he was BFC to the core.
 
I believe he didn’t think the players on the bench could do better & might have made things worse. That’s prior to the winning goal. With 10 men he was holding on for a point. Hindsight is a great thing he could have taken Patino & Carey off for Ward & Wright & Madine & Lavery for CJ & Theo. Who knows it might have worked or it could have ended 3-1 or worse. Appleton stays for me & if nothing has improved come Christmas a decision needs to be made. Back him or sack him in January.
 
SouthernSeasider said:
Really don’t get his subs today. Don’t agree with sacking managers about 5 months if I’m honest - but I did question why no one was bought on til about 85/90 min
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What subs? Surely it’s coaching manual stage1 if your team are down to 10 men and you are defending you need to refresh legs. Appleton didn’t make any move to do that and it’s down to him not the players we lost today.
 
The guys been in the role 5 months and had a difficult first transfer window, where he would have wanted to assess our players before bringing in people to fit his style of play. The previous targets may not have fit this,so it would have been a delayed time to identify targets no doubt.

Now also bearing in mind that anyone with any potential,or established at this level will also be in demand by clubs round us, some historically bigger, also makes this difficult.
If we listen to people in football, it’s not that easy to sign players,and certainly not like a football manager game.
I’d rather us take our time and make some correct signings to progress, than the likes of poveda and corbaneu who are not good enough,but arguably were needed at that late stage due to either not getting who we want, or not the right attributes.

We’ve had rotten luck with injury’s throughout,in what already is a difficult league. You only have to look at Wigan’s bench today with the attacking options and squads to what we are up against. Keshi, beesley, fiorini, Gabriel, husband,madine, and others hve all been out for long periods, and we are still there now. The lads look dead on there feet currently.

It’s going to take time, absolutely no doubt about that, And no manager in the world will have it where they want to be in 5 months.

Now don’t get me wrong, im not purposely defending Appleton.I just think we need to realise where we are and how difficult it is.
Simon Sadler is no fool, and neither is Mansford for that matter.
Let’s say bishop asked for 15k a week.. shoukd we have give it to him? Of course not. The deal has to be right for the club.

For the record I think we may struggle to stay up as I think the teams down with us will have a resurgence and we might not have enough in us.

If all the squad were fit and available, with a few additions in Jan we may have a chance. But time will tell with that.

All we can do is support everyone involved in this club, and trust them. If long term it fails then we should be calling them out. But it’s been 5 months or so.
 
Wilburrabbit said:
What subs? Surely it’s coaching manual stage1 if your team are down to 10 men and you are defending you need to refresh legs. Appleton didn’t make any move to do that and it’s down to him not the players we lost today.
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Wilburrabbit said:
What subs? Surely it’s coaching manual stage1 if your team are down to 10 men and you are defending you need to refresh legs. Appleton didn’t make any move to do that and it’s down to him not the players we lost today.
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We don’t have to many opinion though do we currently. Hamilton and corbaneu find it difficult to keep a shape be organised. Neither can defend effectively. Wright is finding his feet and is also positionally not great.
Maybe the only change I would have made would have been for madine. But who else can hold it up and get us up the field?
 
Andywatsonsuperstar said:
The guys been in the role 5 months and had a difficult first transfer window, where he would have wanted to assess our players before bringing in people to fit his style of play. The previous targets may not have fit this,so it would have been a delayed time to identify targets no doubt.

Now also bearing in mind that anyone with any potential,or established at this level will also be in demand by clubs round us, some historically bigger, also makes this difficult.
If we listen to people in football, it’s not that easy to sign players,and certainly not like a football manager game.
I’d rather us take our time and make some correct signings to progress, than the likes of poveda and corbaneu who are not good enough,but arguably were needed at that late stage due to either not getting who we want, or not the right attributes.

We’ve had rotten luck with injury’s throughout,in what already is a difficult league. You only have to look at Wigan’s bench today with the attacking options and squads to what we are up against. Keshi, beesley, fiorini, Gabriel, husband,madine, and others hve all been out for long periods, and we are still there now. The lads look dead on there feet currently.

It’s going to take time, absolutely no doubt about that, And no manager in the world will have it where they want to be in 5 months.

Now don’t get me wrong, im not purposely defending Appleton.I just think we need to realise where we are and how difficult it is.
Simon Sadler is no fool, and neither is Mansford for that matter.
Let’s say bishop asked for 15k a week.. shoukd we have give it to him? Of course not. The deal has to be right for the club.

For the record I think we may struggle to stay up as I think the teams down with us will have a resurgence and we might not have enough in us.

If all the squad were fit and available, with a few additions in Jan we may have a chance. But time will tell with that.

All we can do is support everyone involved in this club, and trust them. If long term it fails then we should be calling them out. But it’s been 5 months or so.
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But that attitude and inaction will take us straight back to league one. There is no point waiting until it is too late. We need action now
 
Usually when a manager gets sacked it’s due to the players not trying. I thought the players really put a shift in. It must be demoralising though to see all the hard work undone by having a clown in nets who game after game is conceding soft goals. I can only think there must be an issue behind the scenes as anyone who knows anything about football can see that Maxwell needs dropping.
 
Jdseacidre81 said:
He's had issues with injuries etc but today we were crying out for a bit of pace in the latter stages. Corbeanu and Hamilton should of been on at 70 mins.
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Difficult when down to 10 men, it was all about defending for the point. Anyway we are not in a desperate position that a few wins in December won’t put right.
Can somebody explain why we are back playing 10th December when the World Cup is only at the knockout stages?
 
Philbfctrois said:
Did we not have 10 men for a over 70 mins ?

Simple question for Simple peo
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TangerineTed said:
But that attitude and inaction will take us straight back to league one. There is no point waiting until it is too late. We need action now
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I understand what you are saying but that will put us back to the first day that Appleton walked through the door.
We’ve made a decision with him and Wel have to stick with him for the foreseeable imo.
I would hope they have been looking at targets since the season began and we are now ready to move on them.if we’ve not been planning for this window then god knows what we have been doing.

Any manager with this severely weakened side woukd struggle.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Did we not have 10 men for a over 70 mins ?

Simple question for Simple people
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We looked good for most of the first half even with 10 men for 25 minutes (who is coaching Marv for him to suddenly become so inconsistent?)
2nd half we came out and after Appleton's words of wisdom we were absolutely terrible, possibly the worse we have been all season against a VERY poor Wigan team. No one else to blame and "simple people" saw it first hand you cock.

Far too much man love for Appleton from you Phil, something you need to tell?
 
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Whatever anyone thinks about MA the blokes toast an absolute goner when your fans turn against you your history.
 
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It's concerning how there is no plan B.

We're just setting ourselves up for disaster on the idea that everything will change in 4 weeks and that there would be an abundance of players available in January.
 
Dougz said:
And why do you think he will be able to motivate them ? What have you seen so far to suggest he can do that ?
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Up until the last 4 games: 4-2 v Preston, 2-1vv Coventry, 3-3 v Burnley, Sheffield and Bristol City. He has a very shirty stick right now. I say, stick with the man and let him return the commitment.
 
BestTrip said:
I feel he’s been dealt a shit hand and I wouldn’t put all the blame on him. However we have one good game every 5 and I don’t feel he is motivating the players. I actually think we are slow and predictable but have moments of quality. Sadly those moments are rare. We look a 4-4-2 team trying to play a 4-3-3 and it’s not working. And he sees hell bent on sticking to it

I also feel we have a lot of inexperience in midfield also. Patino, Carey etc. you can’t rely on a 19 and 20 year old to take a game by the scruff of the neck on a consistent basis. Also Madine is not a 90 minute 3 times a week player. Anyone can see that a mile away and that is having an effect.
MA job is to motivate the players, coach them and get results. That’s not happening. A lot of the players who have played recently played last year and they did pretty well. Loss of Bowler is showing how poor that was to let him go so late.

Question is how much of the players out improves the squad significantly enough who will reliably play on a consistent basis. Would a new manager get a tune out of what we got or do we feel Appleton would when the players return from injury.

Something has to change somewhere. It’s whether sacking him is the right call or not. Personally I’m on the fence. I can see pros and cons to both
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I’m swaying towards this way of thinking. It’s obvious something is very wrong and this is down to the board, SS and MA to sort ASAP before it’s too late!
Mansford pulling the strings isn’t helping
 
What rubbish. How can it be Appleton's fault that Marvin did a howler and nobody cut out an innocuous corner. He organised the team well as 10 men. I think without the flukey first goal we would have held out for a famous win. Without the sending off we looked like winning comfortably.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Did we not have 10 men for a over 70 mins ?

Simple question for Simple people
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Ouch cut to the quick there, but spot on.
If the 10 men had held out for a draw which they were minutes, away from achieving, I expect many on here would still be lambasting him for not winning.
Cannot believe some are wanting Critch back who filled the squad with blatantly average players. wanted to sign Kirk for 500k,and gave contracts to sicknotes like confetti.
 
Voted no as I did earlier in the week. My opinion hasn't changed that he shouldn't have been appointed in the first place. But the decision was made and the board need to actually back him in January.
One of the things I was looking for today was a big effort from the players to see that they're playing for the manager, and that the determination is still there after what was, frankly, an embarrassment of a performance midweek. I think we got that - the players did everything they could today. The quality wasn't there maybe, but the work rate was, and it's difficult for any team playing with ten men to keep the ball for any length of time.

All that said, I really don't think MA is doing himself any favours sometimes with some of the decisions he makes. Not only that, but I think people are pinning their hopes on us getting players back after the world cup. I think that's wishful thinking - we've had a long injury list for a long time now, and every time we get a player back we lose someone else. So I don't think it will clear up, and the manager and board need to prepare for that. If they think we'll be ok when we have a fully fit squad then we're in trouble, because we aren't going to have one any time soon. Players like Bridcutt and Stewart need to be written off and we need to enter the transfer window with the mindset that they aren't ever going to be available.
 
The players put a shift in today and most squads would struggle to get a result playing with 10 for 70 minutes. I’ve no issue with the performance or result. My issue is that after 60 minutes it was clear Wigan were completely overrunning our team and Appleton did absolutely nothing to change our tactics. It was literally a matter of when Wigan would score again - not if. The fact we made a change on 89 minutes and not 30 minutes earlier when pretty much any sane fan in the away end would have is criminal. I don’t think Appleton knows what he’s doing. I’m not even sure he really cares. From what I saw at the end of the game the squad and manager are not a single unit. The writings very much on the wall.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Up until the last 4 games: 4-2 v Preston, 2-1vv Coventry, 3-3 v Burnley, Sheffield and Bristol City. He has a very shirty stick right now. I say, stick with the man and let him return the commitment.
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And I say see you in League One. It ain’t working pal
 
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