Vaccine passports/certificates

Also we’ve now got a ** weirdo Prime Minister who thinks that if you give these fascist ideas some kind of idiotic sounding alliterated phrase like “Papers for Pubs” to make them feel a bit more soft and squishy then the hypnotised minions will just go along with it....

He’s not satisfied that millions of people are robotically washing their hands whilst singing “Happy Birthday” 25 times per day, whilst wearing a bandana around their face with eyes popping out of their heads to “Stay Alert and Control the Virus”...

We are now heading further towards some kind of Orwellian nightmare, where you need to provide a stool sample in order to buy a packet of fags.

Maybe we could call it “Poop for a Puff”
 
For the record I think the imposition of such measures in places such as pubs will be practically difficult to enforce

Where I disagree is that from my perspective if the owner of a particular business feels it's a rule they want to impose then they should be allowed with being threatened with legal actions - although I don't see the existing discrimination laws really assisting any complainant dealing with such challenges shouldn't be on the agenda

I can also see potential ' value ' in such measures in places such as large stadia / theatres etc where social distancing measures may be difficult to achieve without heavily restricting the number of attendees ie if you can get !5,000 in Bloomfield Rd with vaccine passports but only 4000 without
 
Surely all we need to know is what percentage of the population has been vaccinated and whether vaccination actually works.

If vaccination works and enough people are vaccinated, then a vaccination certificate isn’t necessary.

If vaccination doesn’t work, then a vaccination certificate is pointless anyway. In fact it’s likely to result in a false sense of security and be counterproductive.

Personally I don’t even think this has anything at all do do with Covid. I think we have some bigger agenda to create a digital ID based system... Whether that has to do with Corporate interest or something else, I’m not sure, but Covid is simply being used as a conduit.
 
Matesrates said:
Yep, well, we’ll, well. Well it’s because large numbers of those who go to night clubs haven’t/won’t have the jab, and of course that environment is great news for the virus.
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Couple of points here.

That age group are at minimal risk.. about 0.04%.

But crucially, if you can be double jabbed & still catch the virus and spread it, what is the point of a vaccine passport? Because it’s not for any health reasons is it.
 
Adams Kebab said:
Couple of points here.

That age group are at minimal risk.. about 0.04%.

But crucially, if you can be double jabbed & still catch the virus and spread it, what is the point of a vaccine passport? Because it’s not for any health reasons is it.
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It is totally for public health reasons.

Yes you can still spread the virus after being vaccinated but the chances of you spreading the virus are much, much lower than if you hadn't been vaccinated. Just like the chances of you being hospitalised are much, much lower after vaccination.

It is a public health measure designed to protect our NHS capacity which in turn protects the health of the population as a whole.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
It is totally for public health reasons.

Yes you can still spread the virus after being vaccinated but the chances of you spreading the virus are much, much lower than if you hadn't been vaccinated. Just like the chances of you being hospitalised are much, much lower after vaccination.

It is a public health measure designed to protect our NHS capacity which in turn protects the health of the population as a whole.
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That’s nonsense.

If it’s for public health, why are nightclubs now open till September? With no restrictions? Yet two months later you will need a passport to get in? It won’t just be nightclubs either.

The option of testing someone to show they are negative, them already having had the virus and natural immunity or not actually having anything wrong with them will not suffice, but a passport where they can actually have the virus despite being double jabbed as the Health Secretary has shown will be ok to gain entry? A negative test and already having had the virus are far safer in the interests of public health than a passport saying you’ve had two jabs.

I get people have particular political stances, but a vaccine passport is not about health.

It has to be a PR/Marketing drive to get the young vaccinated because there’s no other health reason.
 
Adams Kebab said:
I’m puzzled when some people say “if it means us getting back to normality then I don’t mind”.

What is normal about showing a passport/certificate to show your health status to go the pub?
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Many who visit the pub have to show proof of age, the app has that detail on so rather than show a driving licence etc they just show the app.
There is no health reason why a 17 year old is not permitted alcohol but an 18 year old is
 
Adams Kebab said:
That’s nonsense.

If it’s for public health, why are nightclubs now open till September? With no restrictions? Yet two months later you will need a passport to get in? It won’t just be nightclubs either.

The option of testing someone to show they are negative, them already having had the virus and natural immunity or not actually having anything wrong with them will not suffice, but a passport where they can actually have the virus despite being double jabbed as the Health Secretary has shown will be ok to gain entry? A negative test and already having had the virus are far safer in the interests of public health than a passport saying you’ve had two jabs.

I get people have particular political stances, but a vaccine passport is not about health.

It has to be a PR/Marketing drive to get the young vaccinated because there’s no other health reason.
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The government are incompetent, particularly when it comes to public messaging as we have seen time and time again during the pandemic.
I have no idea about the timing of this measure, presumably they will have a justification for it. From my limited understanding of things it would have been better if it had started yesterday, but they are bound to have more information than I have and I am not arrogant enough to just assume that I know better.
My understanding of the 'vaccine passport' is that it can show any of the three things you mention above, i.e. a recent negative test, recent covid infection or vaccination status. Information from the government is here and that says exactly the same thing;

www.gov.uk

Using the NHS COVID Pass to demonstrate COVID-19 status

How to use the NHS COVID Pass to demonstrate your coronavirus (COVID-19) status when travelling abroad.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

Please stop posting misinformation about this pass on the internet.
It is in everybody's interest that the rules are adhered to. If you really want the restrictions to be fully lifted then you could consider supporting measures to encourage young people to get vaccinated.

Of course the response is about public health.
The whole response to the pandemic is about public health.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The government are incompetent, particularly when it comes to public messaging as we have seen time and time again during the pandemic.
I have no idea about the timing of this measure, presumably they will have a justification for it. From my limited understanding of things it would have been better if it had started yesterday, but they are bound to have more information than I have and I am not arrogant enough to just assume that I know better.
My understanding of the 'vaccine passport' is that it can show any of the three things you mention above, i.e. a recent negative test, recent covid infection or vaccination status. Information from the government is here and that says exactly the same thing;

www.gov.uk

Using the NHS COVID Pass to demonstrate COVID-19 status

How to use the NHS COVID Pass to demonstrate your coronavirus (COVID-19) status when travelling abroad.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

Please stop posting misinformation about this pass on the internet.
It is in everybody's interest that the rules are adhered to. If you really want the restrictions to be fully lifted then you could consider supporting measures to encourage young people to get vaccinated.

Of course the response is about public health.
The whole response to the pandemic is about public health.
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That’s not the latest information.

"Proof of a negative test will no longer be enough"... that was the Government’s statements yesterday.

Please can you stop spreading misinformation on the internet.
 
As I recall, Pubs used to have opening hours like
11:30 - 15:00 and 18:30 - 23:00 weekdays
11:00 - 15:00 and 18:00 - 23:00 Saturday
12:00 - 14:00 and 19;00 - 22:00 Sunday
Based on licensing laws brought in during the 1st World War and only changed @1988

I don’t recall people saying we were living in a fascist/communist state back then (apart from the Thatcher years of course).

“The Government” has always had control over our lives and especially our social lives, ohh penny on a pint and 15p on fags in endless budgets!

Ah yes, smoking, there is another example of “interference” in pubs and clubs, nobody complains about that now and it even seems ludicrous to think that there was once a magic “veil that stopped smoke drifting across pubs and cinemas and buses in smoking/no smoking areas, why shouldn’t mask/no mask wearing not become a similar theme?
 
Adams Kebab said:
That’s not the latest information.

"Proof of a negative test will no longer be enough"... that was the Government’s statements yesterday.

Please can you stop spreading misinformation on the internet.
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Fair enough, that is my mistake, I didn't see last night's news conference, my apologies.
I wouldn't be surprised at another u-turn on this 'policy' someway down the line.
It looks like the government website has some catching up to do.
October is a long way away in terms of this story - it is possible that we may be in or be about to start another lockdown then.
 
PR3BFC said:
I just don’t see how this could be approved.

How can someone of a certain younger age be refused access to something when they haven’t even been offered the vaccine yet? I get the argument is a negative test result but you can show a negative result from a test a day ago and by that time be positive.

As Adams Kebab eludes too, we have to live ourselves and I personally will be having the jab when offered but respect those that don’t want it know the potential risks by socialising but shouldn’t be discriminated against for not having it, having the vaccine isn’t a legal entity is it.

I just don’t see this idea working. How would the young people say the 18-21’s react too this, they are missing out on the party years as it is and then are told they can’t go to the pub but the older generation who they have effectively been protecting by being in lockdown (alongside themselves of course but obviously the vulnerable are more at risk) can? I appreciate there is more to life then getting pissed but this is what a lot of young people like to do and socialise and it’s good for mental health to get out and about. Let’s face it, most of us did the same when we were 18 and care free but I just don’t feel until EVERYONE has been offered the jab that they can even put this on the table. Then there is the second discussion of those who don’t want it should they really be not allowed to the pub, surely they have some human rights?
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That's why they're saying September. Everyone would have had the chance to have two jabs by then. If you don't, it's your responsibility and also you to deal with the consequences.
 
Wizaard said:
That's why they're saying September. Everyone would have had the chance to have two jabs by then. If you don't, it's your responsibility and also you to deal with the consequences.
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Why are you quoting my post from March 25th? Goal posts have clearly changed since then.
 
Wizaard said:
Just following the thread. Apologies. Still relevant now though.
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No apology required just wanted to make sure you seen that was from March lol.

Very relevant now though, there’s been many ups and downs from the government in terms of covid passports etc so I would expect some more by September!
 
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