We‘ll get promoted with Critchley next season.

Briggs5 said:
It's not, because not all teams have the same expectations.

It's not unreasonable to expect a side relegated from The Championship, whose owner has publicly stated has a top 6 budget, to finish in the top 6.
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Agree but we weren't far off despite all the issues we've had this season, which have been regurgitated on this thread ad nauseam. There is clearly room for optimism next season, because when Critchley gets it right, we are impressive - it just needs to happen more frequently next season. Obviously we need strikers, but Critchley needs to self assess as well and be more flexible with his approach. That said, I don't think flexibility is his strength as he prefers to proceed with a fixed plan. That being the case he needs to move out of his "comfort zone" more often to succeed and if he is unable to do that, he WILL fall on his sword - Sadler isn't stupid, he just won't do anything knee jerk like some of the numpties on here would like.
 
If we replaced the manager this summer would you give a new manager one season of failure to allow the time to rebuild and develop the squad and playing style?

So hypothetically let’s say it’s Dobbie or Peter Wild. We go out guns blazing and despite the attacking intent we regularly get turned over and sit in 14th at Christmas. Would you then want the manager gone or would you say “let’s stick with this guy and back him regardless this season”?

If we ended next season under a new manager with 70 points and in 8th would you want him to have another season?
 
Chunkylad said:
If we replaced the manager this summer would you give a new manager one season of failure to allow the time to rebuild and develop the squad and playing style?

So hypothetically let’s say it’s Dobbie or Peter Wild. We go out guns blazing and despite the attacking intent we regularly get turned over and sit in 14th at Christmas. Would you then want the manager gone or would you say “let’s stick with this guy and back him regardless this season”?

If we ended next season under a new manager with 70 points and in 8th would you want him to have another season?
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It’s a fair point but out the matchday 18 yesterday, 8 were signed by NC in his first tenure here and Husband was already here. He had a clear head start on any other manager we appointed because he already knew the players and what they could do.

Which makes it even more bizarre we’ve tried to play wing-backs who aren’t wing-backs and had Marv in the Beckenbauer role.
 
Ok I will join you in La la land, choose optimism, have you been on the happy tablets? We are a crap watch, we are so blunt in attack it's unreal. It's was the boring season ever with nearly zero entertainment..
 
Micky Walsh said:
Ok I will join you in La la land, choose optimism, have you been on the happy tablets? We are a crap watch, we are so blunt in attack it's unreal. It's was the boring season ever with nearly zero entertainment..
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…with not much more shots on target. Very hard watch this season
 
Micky Walsh said:
Ok I will join you in La la land, choose optimism, have you been on the happy tablets? We are a crap watch, we are so blunt in attack it's unreal. It's was the boring season ever with nearly zero entertainment..
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I’m ambivalent to whether Critch stays or goes now. Reason for staying is for me we need to at some point back a manager with time or will forever be in flux praying for that golden season. New manager in starts off badly and it will be a mirror image on here with everyone demanding a sacking.

Reason for him going - football was turgid for most of the season. Also a decent chunk of the fans won’t back him even if we were top and playing like Terry Venables England due to leaving us last time.
 
Chunkylad said:
If we replaced the manager this summer would you give a new manager one season of failure to allow the time to rebuild and develop the squad and playing style?

So hypothetically let’s say it’s Dobbie or Peter Wild. We go out guns blazing and despite the attacking intent we regularly get turned over and sit in 14th at Christmas. Would you then want the manager gone or would you say “let’s stick with this guy and back him regardless this season”?

If we ended next season under a new manager with 70 points and in 8th would you want him to have another season?
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We need a massive rebuild this summer. Whoever the manager is is going to have a difficult season in a stronger league.
Personally I would prefer that is not Critchley. If Dobbie got the job, played attacking football and still finished mid table I would accept that because make no mistake we have got serious problems next season. I don’t believe we will get promoted whoever the manager is.
 
Chunkylad said:
The most vocal fans were the ones not at games probably? The North wanted its fist pumps and got them. The South was quiet most of the season and in the West isn’t by nature hostile to anything.

I only saw a small number of people who went round and gave Critchley some. Most fans put their arms out front and started chanting “woooooooaaaaaah…. Yes.. yes..yes.
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I think you are stretching it somewhat when you say 'most fans'. I presume your referring to the young lads in A&B block with even quite a few of those having already left.
 
Wizaard said:
In any season, three teams go up.

Should 21 managers be sacked? That's the logical conclusion to your statement.
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nonsense of course it isn't. In effect what you are also suggesting/questioning is that the four managers from the promoted L2 teams should be sacked. And no-one is suggesting that. If you are happy with 8th place,boring boring football and the reality that we barely ever really threated to get in the play offs all season then you are setting the standards really low.
 
Murciaseasider said:
Agree but we weren't far off despite all the issues we've had this season, which have been regurgitated on this thread ad nauseam. There is clearly room for optimism next season, because when Critchley gets it right, we are impressive - it just needs to happen more frequently next season. Obviously we need strikers, but Critchley needs to self assess as well and be more flexible with his approach. That said, I don't think flexibility is his strength as he prefers to proceed with a fixed plan. That being the case he needs to move out of his "comfort zone" more often to succeed and if he is unable to do that, he WILL fall on his sword - Sadler isn't stupid, he just won't do anything knee jerk like some of the numpties on here would like.
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As you say 'we weren't far off' in an extremely poor league. Next year will be much harder.
 
PLEASE DONT LET CRITCHLEY WASTE OUR BUDGET OVER THE SUMMER BUYING PLAYERS TO FIT HIS SYSTEM. I can see him being given the opportunity, results not going our way, finally being potted about October after a toxic few weeks at BR, a new guy coming in and having to patch and repair in January, result another wasted season!
Sensible thing get rid now and let the new person have a chance of building a team to challenge
 
Let's also be clear. All this frustration, anger or whatever you ant to call it isn't hindsight. Many on here have been questioning what we have been witnessing for pretty much a good six months now. It simply hasn't been good enough. Remember that the manager had a squad of which he had worked with most of them before.

It's not a case of "I told you so". For some of you it was a case of "Nero fiddling while Rome burned". You couldn't see what was going on in front of your own eyes. Will you still be trotting out the same old excuses come the end of next season? Well, if we perform as badly next season as we have 'this then i expect so. it will be the same old excuses of the manager getting in the players, he wants, giving them time to bed in etc etc etc. We've heard it all before! This season has been perhaps the most inept season from a manager i've witnessed in a long time.
 
Chunkylad said:
If we replaced the manager this summer would you give a new manager one season of failure to allow the time to rebuild and develop the squad and playing style?

So hypothetically let’s say it’s Dobbie or Peter Wild. We go out guns blazing and despite the attacking intent we regularly get turned over and sit in 14th at Christmas. Would you then want the manager gone or would you say “let’s stick with this guy and back him regardless this season”?

If we ended next season under a new manager with 70 points and in 8th would you want him to have another season?
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I think the key is to appoint a management team, a No 1 and a No 2, preferably with a proper hands on DoF. That way it's not all on the manager. At the moment we have Critchley and 2 nodding dogs which isn't ideal when change or tinkering is required.

We saw it first Critch time. He was shown to need Calderwood from quite early on, and then McCall, so why in Fxxxxs name did SS think NC needed nobody this time. Of course it's too late now for a CC or a SMcC, so the only logic is to sort out a new management team.
 
Sandgroanun said:
As you say 'we weren't far off' in an extremely poor league. Next year will be much harder.
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We got closer at the end but never really looked likely all season.

Each tike we had a chance to push on an push in we've completely failed in a similar fashion.

I do wonder what our squad could or would have done under someone who didn't know the players, as that was on advantage of getting Neil back, he knew the club, most he players he signed and he could best hit the ground running.

It may have still taken time to completely shake off last season, but have we really improved?

We got more wins near the end in a row but 2 were against relegation sides and we weren't convincing at all. Then when it really mattered against a half decent side with nothing to play for, we've folded in a familiar manner.

Disappointing season indeed and with 2 sides who came down either us completely out of the race with points deductions it's a big missed opportunity.

It'll be harder next season, but if sides beat each other more less points will likely be required, but still, disappointing.
 
Adams Kebab said:
It’s a fair point but out the matchday 18 yesterday, 8 were signed by NC in his first tenure here and Husband was already here. He had a clear head start on any other manager we appointed because he already knew the players and what they could do.

Which makes it even more bizarre we’ve tried to play wing-backs who aren’t wing-backs and had Marv in the Beckenbauer role.
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Yes, exactly.

Virtue was here already too (#pedantry)

The point of appointing a divisive figure (It's no use people saying 'but he shouldn't be divisive' - he is) was surely that despite the reservations of significant parts of the fan base, we felt he could hit the ground running.

We didn't and we haven't had a great season. It hasn't been awful either - but we now go into summer looking at a pretty big job in terms of the squad. .We've not achieved an awful lot by delaying that. There's very few players who weren't established who've really written their name in stone as future mainstays. Morgan has impressed me most I think.

The bet was 'Critch can get the gang back together and rekindle the magic'

He hasn't done that. We palpably need to improve all across outfield. What we are likely to have post loans/contracts/offers from teama above is well short of what we need.

We're therefore in the position of needing to trust the process all over again.

We're probably going to lose a fair number and will need to bring a fair number in. It feels, more than anything else, like we've trod water this season.
 
Chunkylad said:
If we replaced the manager this summer would you give a new manager one season of failure to allow the time to rebuild and develop the squad and playing style?

So hypothetically let’s say it’s Dobbie or Peter Wild. We go out guns blazing and despite the attacking intent we regularly get turned over and sit in 14th at Christmas. Would you then want the manager gone or would you say “let’s stick with this guy and back him regardless this season”?

If we ended next season under a new manager with 70 points and in 8th would you want him to have another season?
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Good points made here but as I said in my earlier post Critchley will need to assess his own performance and will need to come out of his comfort zone and be more flexible. If he is unwilling or unable to do that, Sadler will ultimately run out of patience. Agree though that getting on a manager merry-go-round will not help the club long-term.
 
td53 said:
Yes, exactly.

Virtue was here already too (#pedantry)

The point of appointing a divisive figure (It's no use people saying 'but he shouldn't be divisive' - he is) was surely that despite the reservations of significant parts of the fan base, we felt he could hit the ground running.

We didn't and we haven't had a great season. It hasn't been awful either - but we now go into summer looking at a pretty big job in terms of the squad. .We've not achieved an awful lot by delaying that. There's very few players who weren't established who've really written their name in stone as future mainstays. Morgan has impressed me most I think.

The bet was 'Critch can get the gang back together and rekindle the magic'

He hasn't done that. We palpably need to improve all across outfield. What we are likely to have post loans/contracts/offers from teama above is well short of what we need.

We're therefore in the position of needing to trust the process all over again.

We're probably going to lose a fair number and will need to bring a fair number in. It feels, more than anything else, like we've trod water this season.
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The problem with bringing NC back - which I said at the time - was it gives you no room for patience or mistakes. The only option is to back him massively in the market with players who are obviously top quality for the level. We obviously didn't have the budget to go THAT big, even if it was competitive.

Even without the system issues, if Dobbie or anyone else (other than Ryan Lowe or someone with Nob End connections) had got the job, we'd be looking at this season as positive but frustrating. As it is, the season is seen as negative and frustrating.

In my view, Simon made an error reappointing NC, he shouldn't compound the error by now doing nothing. We either need a strong number 2 that can genuinely influence without causing friction or NC goes.
 
I don't really understand why people feel the need to start a thread like this purely just to wind everyone up?
I mean this LA1 guy could have put "we'll get promoted next season" if that's what you think 🤔

But no, it's gotta be "we'll get promoted with Critchley next season".🤡
 
Briggs5 said:
It's not, because not all teams have the same expectations.

It's not unreasonable to expect a side relegated from The Championship, whose owner has publicly stated has a top 6 budget, to finish in the top 6.
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Like Wigan and Reading?
 
North Pier said:
I don't really understand why people feel the need to start a thread like this purely just to wind everyone up?
I mean this LA1 guy could have put "we'll get promoted next season" if that's what you think 🤔

But no, it's gotta be "we'll get promoted with Critchley next season".🤡
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As opposed to all the “Critchley Out” threads?

It’s not a wind up. I believe Critchley will take us up next year. I believe he’s the right man for the job and I believe there’s room for optimism.

Sorry if that’s upsetting for you.
 
straightatthewall said:
The problem with bringing NC back - which I said at the time - was it gives you no room for patience or mistakes. The only option is to back him massively in the market with players who are obviously top quality for the level. We obviously didn't have the budget to go THAT big, even if it was competitive.

Even without the system issues, if Dobbie or anyone else (other than Ryan Lowe or someone with Nob End connections) had got the job, we'd be looking at this season as positive but frustrating. As it is, the season is seen as negative and frustrating.

In my view, Simon made an error reappointing NC, he shouldn't compound the error by now doing nothing. We either need a strong number 2 that can genuinely influence without causing friction or NC goes.
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Yes, precisely. After a season of toxic rancour the year before, we've had a slightly less toxic but nonetheless pretty grumpy season.
 
Our squad is about to become much weaker in this window with our outgoings. Only significant investment will stop that with quality replacements, when actually we need it to be stronger. Sadler spends but not massively, so can’t see us progressing next season with the same manager.
 
BWseasider said:
Our squad is about to become much weaker in this window with our outgoings. Only significant investment will stop that with quality replacements, when actually we need it to be stronger. Sadler spends but not massively, so can’t see us progressing next season with the same manager.
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Players come and go every season.

I think there’s a few players who will be leaving that aren’t exactly earning their wages for the club and as they leave it gives us room to bring fresh blood in.

I don’t think we need to spend any more than we already do (certainly not significantly so) we just need to use it more efficiently.
We’ll have a transfer budget as we always do under Sadler and we’ll be able to compete and outcompete most clubs in League 1 next season.

We never thought we’d replace Tilt - then Ekpiketa comes in from League 2.

Yates goes - Rhodes came in.

I’m sure we’ll sign some great players. Well no doubt get a few duffs in too. Jensen Weir, Ben Woodburn, Antoni Sarkic etc.
 
td53 said:
Yes, exactly.

Virtue was here already too (#pedantry)

The point of appointing a divisive figure (It's no use people saying 'but he shouldn't be divisive' - he is) was surely that despite the reservations of significant parts of the fan base, we felt he could hit the ground running.

We didn't and we haven't had a great season. It hasn't been awful either - but we now go into summer looking at a pretty big job in terms of the squad. .We've not achieved an awful lot by delaying that. There's very few players who weren't established who've really written their name in stone as future mainstays. Morgan has impressed me most I think.

The bet was 'Critch can get the gang back together and rekindle the magic'

He hasn't done that. We palpably need to improve all across outfield. What we are likely to have post loans/contracts/offers from teama above is well short of what we need.

We're therefore in the position of needing to trust the process all over again.

We're probably going to lose a fair number and will need to bring a fair number in. It feels, more than anything else, like we've trod water this season.
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Forgot about Virtue 👏🏻

Yep agree with all that. I don’t think he’ll be going anywhere and to be honest we’ve finished 8th, unless we were Watford it would probably be a shock for people outside of Blackpool if we did, but I just don’t see him having all the tools till rebuild the squad and get the team playing the necessary football to get promotion.

We can talk about front foot football and attacking intent which is what we want (Barnsley 1st half) but there’s games where that won’t work or you’re not at it and that’s where you have to dig in and adapt and change tactically. I don’t see him being able to but strangely I don’t think he wants to. I can imagine a debrief with Garrity and Brunskill after losing matches and him being made up that at times our shape was excellent… we lost 1-0 thought gaffer… we recruit a certain type of player. Nice lads. We need some wankers and we need some bollocks.

When we’ve named a young striker on the bench but we don’t bring him on whilst losing in a game we need to win because it wouldn’t be fair on him sums us up to a tee. It’s professional ** football. It’s not about being fair it’s about trying to win.

It’s not fair on us watching Matty Virtue come on to try and change a game.

We threw a semi-final by being fair as well.

There’s a lesson to be learnt but it won’t be.

I’m standing by a November/December parting of the waves after an average start. He won’t even be able to change from 3 at the back because he’s hung his gilet on that.
He’s going to have to fit Apter in as he’s the been the best young talent in League 1. He’ll probably use him like Dembele at the start of last season when 3/4 of the fanbase know what needs to be done.

Proper funny world football.
 
WolvoSeasider said:
Why the fixation from everyone on playing youth team players?
I'm beginning to wonder if Simon should actually bother signing anyone, just promote the youth team (and it's manager for that matter) and the fans will be chuffed
The fact of the matter is, the youth team players we produce often end up playing at a level well below where we are now. So is it really that scandalous that our latest graduates haven't all been given a starring role in a league one promotion attempt?
If they're good enough, they'll get a chance at the right moment. It's one hundred percent in the best interests of the club to do that. And I'm certain Rob Apter will play a role next season. I've actually been very encouraged to see the club not rushing things with him
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Who’s fixated by it? I’m not?

But I think it’s probably a fair shout to put a striker on for another striker who’s got cramp when you need to score goals ahead of a non-scoring midfielder who will be leaving anyway in the summer?

If he was on the bench just throw him on ffs.
 
LA1 Seasider said:
Players come and go every season.

I think there’s a few players who will be leaving that aren’t exactly earning their wages for the club and as they leave it gives us room to bring fresh blood in.

I don’t think we need to spend any more than we already do (certainly not significantly so) we just need to use it more efficiently.
We’ll have a transfer budget as we always do under Sadler and we’ll be able to compete and outcompete most clubs in League 1 next season.

We never thought we’d replace Tilt - then Ekpiketa comes in from League 2.

Yates goes - Rhodes came in.

I’m sure we’ll sign some great players. Well no doubt get a few duffs in too. Jensen Weir, Ben Woodburn, Antoni Sarkic etc.
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I think there's a lot of sense in that LA. Understand that the fear of the unknown will make people nervous and negative but players will leave and others will come in. The big issue for SS and the board is that this season has seen people walking away because the quality of football hasn't offered anything to compensate for the hit and miss results. The club is flat and needs a lift. A second season in League 1 after 2 seasons in the Championship will always mean you lose customers but we're likely to lose more. It's a bit catch 22 in terms of the budget and revenue.
 
Wizaard said:
Why? Pompey and Derby are much bigger clubs than Huddersfield or Rotherham.
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One of Birmingham, Argyle, Sheffield weds or even Blackburn could be down as well. I also watched the Wrexham v Stockport game yesterday who on current form would give us a very close game. Then Reading will be a little better next year along with the normal ones pushing for play off places. So yes I do believe it will be a tougher league next season.
 
Briggs5 said:
It doesn't change the fact that finishing 8th has been a disappointing season for us. Do you think it's been a successful season?
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assume Wiz is out for the day.;)

And of course the fact Reading and Wigan had points deductions is a factor. Trey got point deductions for a reason. Financial ones and that would have had an impact on their season.

People continuing to make excuses of any sort for what has been a really disappointing season.
 
Chunkylad said:
If we replaced the manager this summer would you give a new manager one season of failure to allow the time to rebuild and develop the squad and playing style?

So hypothetically let’s say it’s Dobbie or Peter Wild. We go out guns blazing and despite the attacking intent we regularly get turned over and sit in 14th at Christmas. Would you then want the manager gone or would you say “let’s stick with this guy and back him regardless this season”?

If we ended next season under a new manager with 70 points and in 8th would you want him to have another season?
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Your question is poor. We’ve seen a whole season of players being played out of position, players not in the team on merit and tactics that don’t work and are predictable and nothing has changed. No players aside from Grimshaw have improved. Only Blackpool could have a set of circumstances like that. What fans want to see is effort, improvement in players, a manager and team that do have a plan b. With nothing to see or data to reinforce would you give this manager another five million plus? Another guy yes of course if above criteria were met.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Your question is poor. We’ve seen a whole season of players being played out of position, players not in the team on merit and tactics that don’t work and are predictable and nothing has changed. No players aside from Grimshaw have improved. Only Blackpool could have a set of circumstances like that. What fans want to see is effort, improvement in players, a manager and team that do have a plan b. With nothing to see or data to reinforce would you give this manager another five million plus? Another guy yes of course if above criteria were met.
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Re read my question. It assumes we have already sacked Critchley.

My question is with the new manager would you sack them at the end of the season (let’s say it’s Dobbie or Wild or Charlie) if they finish in the same position?
 
Chunkylad said:
Re read my question. It assumes we have already sacked Critchley.

My question is with the new manager would you sack them at the end of the season (let’s say it’s Dobbie or Wild or Charlie) if they finish in the same position?
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I did read and answer the question. Sorry th e clear answer eluded you.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Your question is poor. We’ve seen a whole season of players being played out of position, players not in the team on merit and tactics that don’t work and are predictable and nothing has changed. No players aside from Grimshaw have improved. Only Blackpool could have a set of circumstances like that. What fans want to see is effort, improvement in players, a manager and team that do have a plan b. With nothing to see or data to reinforce would you give this manager another five million plus? Another guy yes of course if above criteria were met.
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Dembele improved massively. Ekpiteta is looking like the player he was first time around under Critchley. Morgan and Carey towards the end of the season look like talents. Casey looks solid. Coulson deffiniteky improved under Critchley as has Beesley too.
Also how much of a role has Critchley had in identifying the best route to develop Apter? Just because he’s not at the club doesn’t mean Critchley won’t have had a big impact in his development.

Dembele himself has praised Critchley.
 
Theoneandonly said:
Your question is poor. We’ve seen a whole season of players being played out of position, players not in the team on merit and tactics that don’t work and are predictable and nothing has changed. No players aside from Grimshaw have improved. Only Blackpool could have a set of circumstances like that. What fans want to see is effort, improvement in players, a manager and team that do have a plan b. With nothing to see or data to reinforce would you give this manager another five million plus? Another guy yes of course if above criteria were met.
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Where have we spent over £5 million?
 
We all know this season could have gone better. Obviously.

But I think people are losing sight of how much worse it really could have been - especially after last season.

There was a rot and a mindset that had to be stopped and turned around and Critchley deserves praise for that.

Plenty of clubs can find themselves getting successive relegations and League 1 is notorious for trapping clubs much much bigger than ourselves with much much bigger budgets.

Going into next season we have a more stable base to build upon. There’s plenty of reasons to be positive.

Being all angry and disappointed certainly won’t change anything. It’ll just make my own life shit !
 
Can’t help but think back to that Portsmouth home game where we looked like we were going to annihilate them. Rhodes looked bang up for it getting in behind them early and then gets sent off for no reason. Still got a point but how different would our run in have been if we’d beat them by 3 or more?
 
Wizaard said:
In any season, three teams go up.

Should 21 managers be sacked? That's the logical conclusion to your statement.
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That 21 manager list didn't have the squad/players we had, they also probably didn't have the expectations that this club carries, we just had a manager/coach that was too stubborn to admit his tactics, team selections and rigid play was not good and clearly didn't work, apart from a couple of games,
 
Seasidetyler said:
That 21 manager list didn't have the squad/players we had, they also probably didn't have the expectations that this club carries, we just had a manager/coach that was too stubborn to admit his tactics, team selections and rigid play was not good and clearly didn't work, apart from a couple of games,
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Yet I'm reading on this board that we need a massive clear out because the players aren't good enough. Both can't be right.
 
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