Well done to the head coach today

Phil_bfc deux

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I didn’t watch yesterday but asked on another thread if there had been improvement but didn’t get much response. Reading this thread it appears there was
I think we were more solid having Williams and Robson playing together

That was the main difference for me, Crewe weren't running straight through us when we lost the ball

Williams read the game well and just kept it simple, the full backs were also better 👌
 

fcblackpool

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I didn’t watch yesterday but asked on another thread if there had bee Madin improvement but didn’t get much response. Reading this thread it appears there was
Indeed there was, but perversely that improvement also highlighted our downside in the fianl third. Madine had a v good game, but was a lonely figure with CJ and Yates nowhere near him (end of first half he even had to nod it down to himself to make something of the cross, which was in itself the wrong thing). CJ needs a rest, if possible, he's getting no joy with 2 players round him and his final touch/ball is not good.

Hopefully Woody will be player who can get up and beyond Madine to cause a threat.

Williams did well, the defence did OK when called upon, which wasn't often.

A better team would have beat us.

So for all the improvement that's the last time you'll see that 11/12 start together. Greta will surely start v Charlton, Hubby LB if Garbutt out. Williams keeps his place and a tweak with Woody replacing Ward. What to do with the front 3 is a dilemma- can't keep playing them like he does.
 

Phil_bfc deux

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Indeed there was, but perversely that improvement also highlighted our downside in the fianl third. Madine had a v good game, but was a lonely figure with CJ and Yates nowhere near him (end of first half he even had to nod it down to himself to make something of the cross, which was in itself the wrong thing). CJ needs a rest, if possible, he's getting no joy with 2 players round him and his final touch/ball is not good.

Hopefully Woody will be player who can get up and beyond Madine to cause a threat.

Williams did well, the defence did OK when called upon, which wasn't often.

A better team would have beat us.

So for all the improvement that's the last time you'll see that 11/12 start together. Greta will surely start v Charlton, Hubby LB if Garbutt out. Williams keeps his place and a tweak with Woody replacing Ward. What to do with the front 3 is a dilemma- can't keep playing them like he does.
Woodburn should be played wide left cutting in maybe give KaiKai a go if he's fit

We do have loads of options for the front 3 l, just worrying that none of them are prolific
 

20togo

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Indeed there was, but perversely that improvement also highlighted our downside in the fianl third. Madine had a v good game, but was a lonely figure with CJ and Yates nowhere near him (end of first half he even had to nod it down to himself to make something of the cross, which was in itself the wrong thing). CJ needs a rest, if possible, he's getting no joy with 2 players round him and his final touch/ball is not good.

Hopefully Woody will be player who can get up and beyond Madine to cause a threat.

Williams did well, the defence did OK when called upon, which wasn't often.

A better team would have beat us.

So for all the improvement that's the last time you'll see that 11/12 start together. Greta will surely start v Charlton, Hubby LB if Garbutt out. Williams keeps his place and a tweak with Woody replacing Ward. What to do with the front 3 is a dilemma- can't keep playing them like he does.
Agree about the final third but seeing Critchleys [strange] comments aboutthe new boys it seems it's more likely Ballard than Greta who will come in.
As for the front three, if you're gonna play a front three with two wide men and one in the middle then the two wide men have a responsibility to put some decent balls into the box which was the reason why Gnanduillet and Feeney worked last season.
 

voyeur

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Agree about the final third but seeing Critchleys [strange] comments aboutthe new boys it seems it's more likely Ballard than Greta who will come in.
As for the front three, if you're gonna play a front three with two wide men and one in the middle then the two wide men have a responsibility to put some decent balls into the box which was the reason why Gnanduillet and Feeney worked last season.
Critchley's comments don't seem strange at all to me.

Strange that!
 

BlackpoolPuma

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Yeah Williams was good and to think people were writing him off after 40 mins of football

Bell ends ...
Correct Phil
He’s a League One midfielder and that’s exactly what we need. Kenny Dougall is similar and that can only be a good thing.
Critchley may be learning that we need to win ugly and it’s probably the way we’ll get out of the division too.
 

SeasideKurt

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Phil finding a weird as fuck angle to say I told you so to tell everyone they are clueless bar him. Levels Phil. We drew with Crewe and yet again conceded with one of Crewe's only attacks
 

Tangerinenick

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I admit I haven't been impressed by Williams. Yesterday against Crewe he played well. Lets give him a few more games. Despite Ward scoring I thought he didn't offer much. Regardless we have stopped the rot - onwards and upwards!
 

fcblackpool

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Agree about the final third but seeing Critchleys [strange] comments aboutthe new boys it seems it's more likely Ballard than Greta who will come in.
As for the front three, if you're gonna play a front three with two wide men and one in the middle then the two wide men have a responsibility to put some decent balls into the box which was the reason why Gnanduillet and Feeney worked last season.
Don't think either CJ or Yates can put a ball in, certainly not consistently accurate enough to justify Madine in the centre, which means someone else putting the crosses in. Who? and if they are to cross it in the last 18yds they are going to have to be rapid otherwise the defence gets set. Early ball in from lower down the pitch will see Madine isolated.

I don't think the 3 up top works, the 2 wide are miles away from the centre. One plays with Madine the other wide, fair enough, but that isn't what I've seen so far. And tbh it looks easy to defend against. We need midfield runner(s) to get in the pen box.
 

Phil_bfc deux

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Don't think either CJ or Yates can put a ball in, certainly not consistently accurate enough to justify Madine in the centre, which means someone else putting the crosses in. Who? and if they are to cross it in the last 18yds they are going to have to be rapid otherwise the defence gets set. Early ball in from lower down the pitch will see Madine isolated.

I don't think the 3 up top works, the 2 wide are miles away from the centre. One plays with Madine the other wide, fair enough, but that isn't what I've seen so far. And tbh it looks easy to defend against. We need midfield runner(s) to get in the pen box.
That would be Virtue when fit i guess

I said the other day about a slight tweak to make one behind Madine

4231 would give us more support for the front man
 

voyeur

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Don't think either CJ or Yates can put a ball in, certainly not consistently accurate enough to justify Madine in the centre, which means someone else putting the crosses in. Who? and if they are to cross it in the last 18yds they are going to have to be rapid otherwise the defence gets set. Early ball in from lower down the pitch will see Madine isolated.

I don't think the 3 up top works, the 2 wide are miles away from the centre. One plays with Madine the other wide, fair enough, but that isn't what I've seen so far. And tbh it looks easy to defend against. We need midfield runner(s) to get in the pen box.
The wide players are playing in reverse mode, so are crossing with their wrong foot. The system is designed for full back to be the wide players, and get the crsses in ,as turton did for our goal. But our full backs have struggled to do the twin job of defending and attacking so far. It's a huge ask. It also means that Tayes and CJ are playing wider than they should, leading to a shortage of players in shooting positions, nobody close to Madine.

A three man defence might be an answer, short term at least. But do you change the system, or get the intended one working properly? Will a stronger central defence cope ok, when Gabriel and Garbutt or Mitchell are settled in and doing their job effectively? Could the midfield provide more cover for the full backs pushing forward? I think there are question marks about the defensive ability of all three full back mentioned, Mitchell, Garbutt and Gabriel. This needs resolving as much as the front three conundrum, and influences the front three quite a bit.
 

Phil_bfc deux

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The wide players are playing in reverse mode, so are crossing with their wrong foot. The system is designed for full back to be the wide players, and get the crsses in ,as turton did for our goal. But our full backs have struggled to do the twin job of defending and attacking so far. It's a huge ask. It also means that Tayes and CJ are playing wider than they should, leading to a shortage of players in shooting positions, nobody close to Madine.

A three man defence might be an answer, short term at least. But do you change the system, or get the intended one working properly? Will a stronger central defence cope ok, when Gabriel and Garbutt or Mitchell are settled in and doing their job effectively? Could the midfield provide more cover for the full backs pushing forward? I think there are question marks about the defensive ability of all three full back mentioned, Mitchell, Garbutt and Gabriel. This needs resolving as much as the front three conundrum, and influences the front three quite a bit.
The problem as i see it is the lack of bodies in the box

Keep the inverted wide players, keep Madine as a focal point

Just play Robson and Williams as holding midfield players

With one of the several players we have playing as a number 10 behind Madine and infront of the midfield 2
 

voyeur

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The problem as i see it is the lack of bodies in the box

Keep the inverted wide players, keep Madine as a focal point

Just play Robson and Williams as holding midfield players

With one of the several players we have playing as a number 10 behind Madine and infront of the midfield 2
Yes, pull CJ and Yates in closer to Madine. And get the full backs down the flanks.
 

hertfordseasider

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Yes, pull CJ and Yates in closer to Madine. And get the full backs down the flanks.
Or play with 2 natural full backs for more defensive security (Turton and Husband) and have the 2 wide players with Madine in the middle, a defensive mid to break up play and give the centre halves some protection and he other 2 midfielders one, Robson doing the creating and the other Asan attacking midfielder getting in the box to feed of Madine and the 2 wide men.
 
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