What makes a 12 year old post such racism?

catinstalbans

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With the shocking abuse that Wilfred Zaha woke up to yesterday and the equally appalling news that the perpetrator was only 12 years old I have spent some of the time in school today pondering how such an event can happen.
For such racism to come from a 12 year old we have to assume that this racism is probably endemic in the family home. I do remember back in the 80s an infamous family from the Spring Gardens estate in St Annes at an away match in Yorkshire (I think Halifax but the memory is hazy) where the adults took great delight in encouraging the youngest child (8-10 years old) to launch a tirade of swearing and abuse every time a police officer walked past, presumably in the knowledge that being so young, he could get away with it, whereas an adult shouting the same would get a) nicked and b) a good kicking for his troubles in the van at the back of the ground.
I did cynically wonder if the 12 year old is taking the blame for the father for similar reasons in this case. Something does not seem right somewhere.
What it did show to me is some of the harm that not being in an education setting is doing to our children. If the only positive influences on a child come from the school to counteract the poisonous beliefs of parents then obviously the sooner we are back in school the better. It emphasises the need for pastoral education in values such as tolerance of other religions and nationalities, respect for every person as a fundamental right and emphasises the value of anti racism organisations working in schools such as Show Racism the Red Card, and Hope not Hate in countering the learning of hatred some children otherwise receive from the home. I am really looking forward to getting back to some sort of normality in September.
 
Good post Cat - you usually don't have to look far from the family home to see how the perpetuation of hate and shitty values becomes intergenerational.
 
Probably being taught Marxist bile by idiots like you - he's probably rebelling
Could you please explain how following a national curriculum which says that all students should be taught mutual respect for and tolerance of different faiths and believe and for those without faith is Marxist bile? Or that taking proactive steps to promote equality of opportunity and good race relations is Marxist bile?
Or that following the Law including the one which states that migrants have a right to humane treatment while their cases are heard is Marxist bile?
Please do! I would be so interested to hear an intelligent and well presented case against teaching these values.
 
With the shocking abuse that Wilfred Zaha woke up to yesterday and the equally appalling news that the perpetrator was only 12 years old I have spent some of the time in school today pondering how such an event can happen.
For such racism to come from a 12 year old we have to assume that this racism is probably endemic in the family home. I do remember back in the 80s an infamous family from the Spring Gardens estate in St Annes at an away match in Yorkshire (I think Halifax but the memory is hazy) where the adults took great delight in encouraging the youngest child (8-10 years old) to launch a tirade of swearing and abuse every time a police officer walked past, presumably in the knowledge that being so young, he could get away with it, whereas an adult shouting the same would get a) nicked and b) a good kicking for his troubles in the van at the back of the ground.
I did cynically wonder if the 12 year old is taking the blame for the father for similar reasons in this case. Something does not seem right somewhere.
What it did show to me is some of the harm that not being in an education setting is doing to our children. If the only positive influences on a child come from the school to counteract the poisonous beliefs of parents then obviously the sooner we are back in school the better. It emphasises the need for pastoral education in values such as tolerance of other religions and nationalities, respect for every person as a fundamental right and emphasises the value of anti racism organisations working in schools such as Show Racism the Red Card, and Hope not Hate in countering the learning of hatred some children otherwise receive from the home. I am really looking forward to getting back to some sort of normality in September.
I gave a full answer to this on the David McGoldrick thread at 18.24.
 
Could you please explain how following a national curriculum which says that all students should be taught mutual respect for and tolerance of different faiths and believe and for those without faith is Marxist bile? Or that taking proactive steps to promote equality of opportunity and good race relations is Marxist bile?
Or that following the Law including the one which states that migrants have a right to humane treatment while their cases are heard is Marxist bile?
Please do! I would be so interested to hear an intelligent and well presented case against teaching these values.

Nah, instead have a tissue for your liberal tears
 
I’d hazard a guess at p!$$ poor parenting.*

* I’ve said before and for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not an expert in parenting.👍✌️
 
Very sad to hear
Of course a kid will be influenced by his parents and at times their peers thoughts and behaviour.



I still maintain the UK is one the most tolerant places on the planet. However we have more than our fair share of morons & they are amplified by the internet & the wonderful world of 'social' media.😡

You will never imho totally stamp out racism just like you cant stop lots of non rational thinking.



Good luck educating the children though👍
 
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It is a good o/p and it does highlight the problems of racism but I'm not sure racism will ever be eradicated. It's just part of the human gene for some people. Education is a massive part.
I'd also say that "Hope not Hate" applies across the board in all forms and most posts from Cat do not demonstrate that.
 
It is a good o/p and it does highlight the problems of racism but I'm not sure racism will ever be eradicated. It's just part of the human gene for some people. Education is a massive part.
I'd also say that "Hope not Hate" applies across the board in all forms and most posts from Cat do not demonstrate that.

Perhaps sometimes, but I think if you are looking for really genuine hate you need really to be looking at some other posters on this board.
 
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Perhaps sometimes, but I think if you are looking for really genuine hate you need really to be looking at some other posters on this board.
Yes you're right. A fair few seem to really hate CatinStAlbans, far more than some of the posts deserve. It's way beyond reasoned.
 
There is something not right about the incident. The terminology used in this vile tweet is not what I'd have thought a 12 year old would know or ever heard of. Likewise not many 12 year olds use twitter.
 
Its either his parents/ family or his mates that influence. And his mates get those opinions from their parents/ families.
Social media and Youtube have a lot of influence on young people now too. Maybe more than parents do at teenage years.
 
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