What should define a BFC supporters club?

Phil_bfc deux said:
That's how it reads as do all your posts on this subject

Memberships, constitutions, legalisations etc etc

It matters not nor should it
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Well if the rules change (either thereā€™s government legislation, the EFL introduce new rules around fanā€™s engagement, or Simon Sadler says what heā€™s prepared to offer around fanā€™s engagement) then any group will have to abide by those rules if they want to have ā€œrepresentationā€.

And yes I suspect thatā€™ll involve a degree of formality that, as far as Iā€™m aware at least, MSG doesnā€™t have. And probably wouldnā€™t want to have (although thatā€™s obviously their decision).

So all of those things youā€™ve mentioned could matter. And in imo probably will.

And before you fly off the handle. Donā€™t shoot the messenger. šŸ˜‚
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
You are losing me with all this Tier nonsense
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It's simple enough FFS..

TIER 1

Personalised Monthly Meeting (Individual arrangement for each Tier 1 Group) to Include:

Champagne Reception

30 Minutes Q & A with CEO

20 Minutes Q & A with Manager

Selfie opportunity with Simon Sadler

Hors D'euvres

Minutes Agreed and Distributed to both Parties

Additional Benefits

Direct number for CEO Secretary

Consultation over Ticket Pricing

Free Access to Moretti Bar on Thursday Lunchtimes


TIER 2

Group Quarterly Meeting (shared with other Tier 2 Groups) to include:

Beer or Cider upon Arrival

30 Minutes Q & A with Tracey in the Club Shop

20 Minutes Q & A with the Kit Man

Selfie opportunity with Bloomfield Bear

Warm Meat & Potato Pie

Rumours to be widely distributed across Social Media

Additional Benefits

Free legal advice if you get caught with Fireworks
šŸ‘
 
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Phil_bfc deux said:
That's how it reads as do all your posts on this subject

Memberships, constitutions, legalisations etc etc

It matters not nor should it
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Without memberships, constitutions etc how can the club and the wider fanbase know that a supporters group has a membership and accurately represents it?

If Winter meets with BST he meets a constituted committee that is largely sensible. If he meets with the MSG he "gets told" by their "leader".

There seems to me to be a clear and obvious path that Winter and the club will likely choose to follow and The MSG have no one but themselves to blame if that happens.
 
TK was never a supporters group it was a protest group with one purpose, annoying the Oystons. And one aim - seeing the end of the Oystons ownership.

The numbers involved with TK were always fluid.

With social media and the number of people who follow or like pages, whichever group, anyone can, and does, like and follow a page. It doesn't even mean they are Blackpool fans.

The two tier system has similarities with a two tier system operated by the FSA a number of years ago. Groups such as TK without membership or constitution etc were one level whilst groups with membership etc were the higher level (the likes of BST and BSA).
 
TheLuker said:
Without memberships, constitutions etc how can the club and the wider fanbase know that a supporters group has a membership and accurately represents it?

If Winter meets with BST he meets a constituted committee that is largely sensible. If he meets with the MSG he "gets told" by their "leader".

There seems to me to be a clear and obvious path that Winter and the club will likely choose to follow and The MSG have no one but themselves to blame if that happens.
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If the club decides to ignore the largest fans group then it would be a massive own goal imo
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
If the club decides to ignore the largest fans group then it would be a massive own goal imo
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But no one knows if they are the largest fans group. They should charge for membership as BST do and we may find out. I find it strange that the MSG does not charge for membership and belittles BST for doing so when the MSG are big backers of The Armfield Club that does charge for "membership".
 
Numbers should play an enormous part. Doing a Missy Elliot why should the club enter into serious dialogue with any SG that only represents, say 5% of supporters?

Far better to issue quarterly statements on the state of play, whatever form that may take. Individuals or SG can go through the SLO's team to have their concerns heard.
 
If I was that arsed I can use AI to simulate having several million followers for my newly formed Cyber Seasiders supporters group.

Theyā€™d all chat away in a chat room after scraping Facebook and Twitter and simulate an active real group for anyone bothered to join it. AI bots now can even do pretty good audio stuff where youā€™d have recorded voices and discussion.

Itā€™s going to get more difficult to regulate anything like this going forward.
 
Fans groups should organise coaches and badges type of events onlyā€¦the club should issue statements occasionally letting fans know whatā€™s happening, its pretty obvious the kinda things fans want to knowā€¦ā€¦.job doneā€¦..šŸ‘
 
Phil_bfc deux said:
If the club decides to ignore the largest fans group then it would be a massive own goal imo
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The club will do what is in their best interests.

If they feel that staying clear of your muckers is the best option, then they will do that.

It's a difficult position for SS to be in. Even though they are the largest fan group, they come with bad press. It's a balancing act.

Can argue all you like that The Muckers don't come with bad press, but after recent events, they do.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Joffrey's standar answer to every question list.

1) Solvency.
2) Dad's put a lot of money in.
3) You're welcome to buy the club if you think you can do better.
4) That was Steve's decision as manager.
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SS probably needs to be a bit more Karl!
 
OverTheLine said:
The club will do what is in their best interests.

If they feel that staying clear of your muckers is the best option, then they will do that.

It's a difficult position for SS to be in. Even though they are the largest fan group, they come with bad press. It's a balancing act.

Can argue all you like that The Muckers don't come with bad press, but after recent events, they do.
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Nobody knows how many members the MSG has or who it who they represent.
 
An interesting, if somewhat inconclusive debate.

It's all a bit moot anyway until we see the club's proposals for fan engagement. I'm really glad they are investing time and effort in producing something ; the environment they are likely to be living in in the future makes it inevitable that they have to look at it anyway.

I think the debate on supporters groups is inevitable, but it also misses a large part of the point. I think you will find that the biggest supporter group we have - by far - are currently not members of any group at all. Or, put another way, a fair proportion of the 90 odd % of our fan base that doesn't post on or "guest" on AVFTT.

The groups we do have develop in different ways and for different reasons. BST and the TK's were formed out of protest. The MSG came later. YS, BASIL, Manchester Seasiders et al are exile groups that developed to meet a need for organised travel and all that goes with it. They are not homogeneous and I see no reason why the club should approach them as such. Horses for courses, if you like.

Whatever the club's obligations are, the way fans want to engage will vary as well. I doubt BASIL want meetings with the club every five minutes, any more than the MSG want to run themselves via an elected Committee. Our older fans probably want different things from the younger ones. BST's preferences fall in part out of its Constitution and the national network that it is part of.

There is no one group that will reach deeply into all the segments of the support. As the formal, constitutional group, I think it behoves BST to at least try to do the best they can, albeit the very nature of the organisation does make that a challenge. On the other hand, BST can at least point to its democratic model to demonstrate its legitimacy. That should count for more than Twitter follower numbers, which mean next to nothing.

What unites all the groups is - or should be - a love of the club. I hope that means that every group will focus on what they can do to make the club's proposals work, rather than being competitive with one another. Everyone has a role they can play, if they want to.
 
seasideone said:
Another assumption - the reality is nobody knows how many members the MSG has, as there is no membership information.
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And it appears to be a secret how many BST have and they do have membership information

Infact the BST secretary has just posted about 20 mins ago
 
voyeur said:
Thinking out loud. Under the ownership model we have, the owner has no obligation to talk to fans as things stand (although I believe that is going to change?)

It seems smart though for the owner to maintain dialogu with th paying customers. And to listen to their concerns. Perhaps th answer is a simple one. Like regular meetings (monthly or quarterly) with a selection of fans. Maybe one or two from each group that has a minimum number of members and a few selected at random each time from a database of people who satisfy a minimum ticket purchase requirment and apply to be considered.
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If I was the owner I would be thinking why do I have to have any dialogue with the fans? I have a CEO who is paid to run the club on a day to day basis and a Head of Media which should encompass PR. There is a SLO to deal with any specific issues raised by a supporter or fans group. Updates on big capital projects like the Training Ground/East Stand Development then yes I might want to be involved other than that I can't think of anything.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
It's simple enough FFS..

TIER 1

Personalised Monthly Meeting (Individual arrangement for each Tier 1 Group) to Include:

Champagne Reception

30 Minutes Q & A with CEO

20 Minutes Q & A with Manager

Selfie opportunity with Simon Sadler

Hors D'euvres

Minutes Agreed and Distributed to both Parties

Additional Benefits

Direct number for CEO Secretary

Consultation over Ticket Pricing

Free Access to Moretti Bar on Thursday Lunchtimes


TIER 2

Group Quarterly Meeting (shared with other Tier 2 Groups) to include:

Beer or Cider upon Arrival

30 Minutes Q & A with Tracey in the Club Shop

20 Minutes Q & A with the Kit Man

Selfie opportunity with Bloomfield Bear

Warm Meat & Potato Pie

Rumours to be widely distributed across Social Media

Additional Benefits

Free legal advice if you get caught with Fireworks
šŸ‘
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Where do I sign? And will there be badges?
 
Seainsea said:
If I was the owner I would be thinking why do I have to have any dialogue with the fans? I have a CEO who is paid to run the club on a day to day basis and a Head of Media which should encompass PR. There is a SLO to deal with any specific issues raised by a supporter or fans group. Updates on big capital projects like the Training Ground/East Stand Development then yes I might want to be involved other than that I can't think of anything.
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Well we are talking about dialogue between club and fans. Sadler doesn't have to put the chairs out or even be there. Obviously.
 
BST have always had issues over membership numbers, the way they have operated recently, I can see further reduction in numbers. Who the fuckare the muckers, what a waste.
 
I am not a member of any supporters organisations , I was however a member of the old supporters club back in the 70s 80s and early 90s. What a place that was, full of characters , Ozzie, shep, lancs, big mac and lavs etc. Iā€™m 69 now so donā€™t get to as many games but a few weeks back my grandson took me up to that new armfield bar, well what a place, it took me tight back . Great atmosphere , plenty of laughter, anyone that hasnā€™t been in Iā€™d recommend it. Iā€™ve been told that it is the only supporters club we have now but may be wrong.
 
The Muckers Top Table should be the group consulted with. That much is very obvious.

You canā€™t have a load of auld Gimmers having a say and banning Fun ffs!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Focus on the result ā€¦. Iā€™d be ringing round the committee to drum up a few votes before the evening shift wipes your lead out if I were you šŸ˜‚
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I think Sadler should just mingle on match days with the wise and good in The Moretti Lounge. Heā€™d know all he needed to every couple of weeks ā€¦and get a mediocre pie as a bonus
 
SwannDangerous said:
Why do you keep saying the largest fan group?

The largest fans group is BST.

All the muckers have is a few likes and follows.
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I canā€™t agree with that.. They might not have the same rules and regulations, but Iā€™d say the group is well supported.

I think it would be a close run thing as to who has the biggest member.
 
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